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• bradd@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  My thing is this…

  1. Adding it requires effort
  2. Removing it, if possible, requires effort
  3. It’s not a requirement
  4. There are other alternative methods to get it, like toothpaste, or sumpliments, that don’t force your neighbors to have your fluoride.

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• bluewing@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Depending on where you live, there is already enough naturally occurring fluoride in the well water that adding more doesn’t mean much. How else do you think they discovered fluoride helps your teeth?

  Since I live in a rural area and need to have my own well, I know my water contains enough fluoride that it would be silly to add more. But some areas do not have enough naturally present. So it would be interesting to see the water test results for Florida cities to check the amount of naturally occurring fluoride present. YMMV

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• CCMan1701A@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  If they remove it from the water, then change the availability to be OTC for multivitamins with fluoride. I want to be able to get it with our having a copay and whatever else the Dr wants to charge .

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  • isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    many toothpastes have it, no need to use multivitamins

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• TCB13@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  fluoridation has nothing to with any teeth-related issues, it was all about the US industry having a way to dispose of fluoride, a byproduct of many industrial activities. You can’t just dump fluoride on a river as it has several adverse side-effects, but it you can convince everyone it is good for their health then it’s okay to dump it on the water supply.

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  • auzy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    No… just no

    If that was true there are a lot of other things they could dump in the water

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  • isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    lmao. rofl even. Fluoride is incredibly expensive AND useful, if you run an industry you wanna make sure you absolutely recover it from byproducts and reuse it, not to mention that with how low the levels in tap water are, it wouldn’t be even a good way of disposing a lot of it

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  • ManixT@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Is this what you do? Just spread as many lies a possible on the internet?

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• madjo@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  For what’s it worth, in my country (Netherlands), we don’t add fluoride to our tap water anymore since the early 70s. We just have it in our toothpaste (though you can also get fluoride free toothpaste for those who don’t want it).

  Sure there’s still traces of fluoride in our water, as it appears in nature. But it’s not artificially added by our water companies.

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  • scholar@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Most places that do add it to the water supply match the levels of places where flouride occurs naturally

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• Allero@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The question to me is - do we even have to fluoridate water and is this really the best approach?

  For example, most European countries do not commonly use fluoride in their water supply, and everyone’s just fine! No extra cavities, no special health risks. People commonly drink tap water and do not care about potential for any adverse effects, because it’s just that - clean water. And for any teeth-related issues, you already have your toothpaste providing more than enough fluorine.

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  • Robust_Mirror@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    …spokanecity.org/…/city-council-information-on-fl…

    • Water fluoridation reaches over 13 million Europeans through programs in England, Ireland, Poland, Serbia and Spain

    • Children in deprived areas benefit most from water fluoridation according to 2018 English health agency report

    • Over 70 million Europeans receive fluoridated salt through programs in Austria, France, Germany, Switzerland and other countries. Salt fluoridation is recommended when water fluoridation is not feasible

    • European Academy of Pediatric Dentistry endorses water fluoridation as “core component of oral health policy”

    • Fluoridated milk programs have operated in Bulgaria, England, Hungary, Russia and Scotland

    • Several European countries provide free or subsidized fluoride treatments through national healthcare:

      • Sweden: free dental care through age 23
      • Denmark: free dental care until age 18
      • Finland: public dental clinic access for all legal residents

    • Scandinavian schools offer fluoride varnish, tablets and rinse programs

    • Some regions in Europe have naturally fluoridated water, such as parts of Italy. Italian health officials support water fluoridation but don’t implement additional programs due to naturally optimal fluoride levels in some areas

    cdc.gov/…/statement-on-the-evidence-supporting-th…

    • Evidence shows that water fluoridation prevents tooth decay by providing frequent and consistent contact with low levels of fluoride, ultimately reducing tooth decay by about 25% in children and adults.

    • evidence shows that schoolchildren living in communities where water is fluoridated have, on average, 2.25 fewer decayed teeth compared to similar children not living in fluoridated communities.

    • A study to compare costs associated with community water fluoridation with treatment savings achieved through reduced tooth decay, which included 172 public water systems, each serving populations of 1,000 individuals or more, found that 1 year of exposure to fluoridated water yielded an average savings of $60 per person when the lifetime costs of maintaining a restoration were included.

    • Analyses of Medicaid claims data in 3 other states (Louisiana, New York, and Texas), have also found that children living in fluoridated communities have lower caries related treatment costs than do similar children living in non-fluoridated communities; the difference in annual per child treatment costs ranged from $28 to $67.

    pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9544072/

    • community water fluoridation continues to decrease cavities by 25% at the population level.

    • Even with fluoridated products such as toothpaste and mouth rinses, this public health practice can reduce an additional 25% of tooth decay in children and adults

    • In 1945, Grand Rapids, Michigan became the first U.S. city to fluoridate its public water supply. Five years later, Grand Rapids schoolchildren were found to have significantly fewer cavities than children from the control community of Muskegon, and additional water districts, including Muskegon began fluoridating and seeing similar results

    • Studies have shown that populations from lower socioeconomic groups within fluoridated communities have less tooth decay when compared to peers in nonfluoridated communities

    • The cost of a lifetime of water fluoridation for one person is less than the cost of one filling

    More info: www.ada.org/resources/…/fluoride-in-water

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    • Allero@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Thanks for provided context!

      I’ll look into the data.

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  • interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It depends if you believe in the apocryphal story behind fluoridation. This is a story that justifies the state and it’s right of medical intervention into your life with the need of your informed consent.

    These types of stories are designed to justify the right to act of an entity/egregor using the least objectionnable scenario possible. Once this precedent is established it can built upon to justify other actions in other scenarios. All the other unobjectionnable things done to you or in your name

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• Doomsider@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  So miniscule it won’t poison you but just enough to prevent tooth decay. You really can’t have it both ways. Pretending there is any real control over measurement is also ridiculous. Not to mention there is no need to drink fluoride.

  You know what does work? Using fluoride topically and getting good dental care.

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  • Pulptastic@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Those are different mechanisms, why can’t they have different concentrations?

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    • Doomsider@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I don’t know. I do know fluoride works topically. I also know there is no mechanism in the body to return fluoride to the teeth topically after it is swallowed.

      So drinking fluoride is pointless.

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• infinite_ass@leminal.space ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I never met the fellow. I never did the science either.

  You all are easily impressed.

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  • ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Same. I haven’t met any of the authors of books I read either.

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    • infinite_ass@leminal.space ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      That’s rather beside my point. As you well know.

      Why play these games?

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  • BreadOven@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Have you done any science?

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    • infinite_ass@leminal.space ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Case in point

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• RacerX@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This post written by Big Fluoride.

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  • Doomsider@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    That toxic byproduct of fertilizer production is not going to dump itself in our water supply am I riiight?

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    • KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Cmon, at least get the byproducts main source correct in your propaganda comment!

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• sudoer777@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  dihydrogen monoxide is also dangerous, we must ban it as well

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  • KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    www.dhmo.org

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    • xx3rawr@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I love how it has an ad for Acme Klein Bottles

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    • BreadOven@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Agreed. That’s why I only drink DMSO.

      (Don’t actually drink DMSO please.)

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• FluorideMind@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Nah trust me bro.

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• sit@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Toxicity is a big word. What about small long term effects?

  Lithium is prohibited in eu outside of psychiatric therapy, too. But it might be an essential nutrient (small doses).

  My trust into the official narrative is limited.

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  • reptar@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Who’s profiting off of putting flouride in the water? What is this flouride industry making money hand over first?

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  • frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You’re replacing the word science with “narrative” because that’s what your far right deep state overlords have told you to do. Wake up sheeple!

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    • sit@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      That’s a bit much extrapolation from the few things I’ve written

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  • Zetta@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You don’t need to place any trust in any narrative, there are scientific studies on the topic.

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  • KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    “Essential” is a bigger word than “toxicity”.

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• humanspiral@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I believe the objection to fluoride is that it is a tranquilizer that keeps us from achieving glory through violent uprising… or sweet sweet dentist profits.

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• 4oreman@lemy.lol ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This is a conspiracy by fluoridians.

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  • RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Drink your water, or get the FOOF.

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  • Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Thats what the fluoridiots say.

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• wolfshadowheart@leminal.space ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Back when I was in college, people didn’t like fluoride because it calcifies the pinneal gland. I assume that rhetoric has only been further exaggerated over the years

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  • ZeffSyde@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Another point that conspiracy bros will bring up is that fluoride is a toxic byproduct of aluminum manufacture and dumping it into the water supply is a cheap way for Alcoa to dispose of it benevolently.

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    • Doomsider@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The majority of fluoride that is released into our water supply is a by-product of fertilizer production.

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    • nBodyProblem@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Honestly it really is sad, we have so many more uses for it

      Every atom of fluoride going into our water is another atom that can’t go into chlorine trifluoride production. Putting it into the water is a huge sacrifice we make for the health of society.

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  • Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It does do this. However so does ageing, low sunlight exposure, low altitude, ethnicity, sex, nutrition, neuro-divergence, cell phone use, EM fields… you get the idea.

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    • JasonDJ@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Don’t forget the gravitational pull of Betelgeuse. In a very, very small way, that also effects calcification of the pineal gland.

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    • TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Does fluoride-enhanced water actually do this, though? Or just pure fluoride? Yes, pure fluoride has an effect, but I always thought the miniscule amount in our water is not enough to actually make a difference to the natural calcification of our pineal gland, anyways.

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• aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Yeah but I read an article on a bullshit website. I think some no name website knows more than a toxicologist

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  • FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Why is some dumb scientist expert trying to tell me, a person who pays for an internet connection, what the truth is?

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    • Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Because something something shill money.

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• satans_methpipe@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Agreed but can we turn down the chloramine valve? It tastes awful.

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  • we_avoid_temptation@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Why not just get a water filter?

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• Joker@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Great post… but where is the meme?

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  • rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Welcome to Science Memes, where the science isn’t memes and the memes aren’t about science.

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  • brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The meme is now this is not US policy.

    Its like stating the world is not flat… when in fact NASA’s official stance is that the world is, indeed, flat.

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  • jadelord@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Without Fluoride all the hunour in the world dies.

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• RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  How much oatmeal would I have to eat to die of fluoride poisoning?

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  • piecat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    0.08mg per half cup serving, but may vary depending on water used.

    10mg is the accepted daily upper limit. So 62.5 cups of oatmeal to reach that max safe limit.

    Acute poisoning symptoms may appear as low as 10-15 mg/kg, lethal dose might be 32-64 mg/kg.

    So 200 to 400 cups of oatmeal per kg you weigh for a lethal dose.

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    • RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      That’s a lot of oatmeal.

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• Heavybell@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The people who need to hear this sadly would not believe that too much water can kill you even if you showed them someone die from it, I fear. I’d also be shocked if they read “water poisoning” and didn’t think of poisoned water.

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  • dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I didn’t know this was a thing when I was younger, but not young enough to not be classified as a moron.

    Drank about 7-8 litres of water in 3 hours without going to the bathroom as a contest against a work colleague. Suffice to say I started feeling a little off on the way home, even after going to the bathroom. Years later I finally learned you can drown yourself from drinking too much and the symptoms were eerily close to what I experienced that night.

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    • Heavybell@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Oh don’t get me wrong! I also only learned about water toxicity when I was very much an adult.

      But the difference between us and the type of person I’m talking about, is that we (I’m presuming on your part) don’t think fluoride in water is a bad thing.

      The kind of person who hears “the government adds CHEMICAL_NAME to water” and assumes that’s a bad thing is the kind of person who will not believe drinking too much water can kill you, even (or especially) if they are told by an expert.

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• Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I feel like I woke up in the movie Dr. Strangelove

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  • protist@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion, and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.

    Second time I got to post this today, unfortunately because it’s almost ceased being satire.

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• Corno@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Not to mention there are many natural sources of fluoride which can contain greater concentrations of it than what is in tap water. The ocean has a concentration of fluoride that is in the range of 1.2 to 1.4 ppm, compared to the standard rate of fluoride of drinking water, which is 0.5–1 ppm

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  • ryedaft@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This is a better argument than the one in the post. No one is worried about acute toxicity of fluoride but rather long term. But it’s not long term toxic, doesn’t accumulate in the body, and is only present in very low amounts in water. However it should be enough to use fluoridated toothpaste to get the positive effects.

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  • Lowpast@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I don’t understand your point.

    Nobody drinks the ocean. Fluoride is barely active topically. Most humans rarely if at all swim in the ocean.

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    • skeezix@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      From what I have read, fluoride’s action on teeth is purely topical. Which is why it is in toothpaste (which is not swallowed). The “minuscule” amount in drinking water is reported as not enough to be toxic, yet somehow enough to strengthen teeth through internal blood circulation. Any fluoride you ingest, even a few atoms, is considered a toxin by the body and removed. So while the minuscule amounts added to water may not harm you, they are still adding to the “workload” your body has in dealing with all the minuscule amounts of other toxins you acquire daily.

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    • Acamon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Talking about the ocean is odd, but there are towns in the UK (and most countries I’d assume?) where the natural level of fluoride is higher than the concentration they aim for when adding fluoride. I think that’s a pretty good argument for it being safe - the people of Hartlepool have been drinking fluoride rich water for 13 centuries and don’t have any noticeable issues compared to the rest OF County Durham.

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    • Hamartia@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yeah. It’s not an entirely salient point. It does, however, underline the ubiquitous nature of fluorine.

      The biggest source of Flourine in the environment is just the normal weathering of rocks that contain it. The biggest of the anthropogenic sources include brick production, phosphate fertiliser application and coal burning.

      The minor amount added to drinking water really wouldn’t be the biggest issue if it was as toxic as it’s made out to be.

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• FUBAR@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The question about this is that the same can be said about lead. Do we want to consume that?

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  • BreadOven@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    No. It can’t be said for fluoride. Lead is known to be extremely toxic. We’ve seen what it does. Fluoride in water is not toxic, which has been shown multiple times.

    Your argument is asinine.

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    • FUBAR@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I don’t know why people can’t keep an open mind and look at issues without prejudice. What did I do to you for the name calling?

      Anyway fluoride in water can be toxic. It’s all about the dose

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• zephorah@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Next headline will be how fluoride contributes to autism and it will have just as much evidence as the vaccine bit does. How is this even a thing? Is ground zero on this RFK?

  Meanwhile, all the people who can’t afford dentists will have even worse teeth going forward. Make America’s teeth British again.

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• Luvs2Spuj@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Toxicology isn’t a real profession. These people are run by big toxicity. For real water advice you want a homeopath.

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• affiliate@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  i know this guy has a fancy degree and everything, but is he really as reliable a source as rfk junior? you don’t need fluoride when you have an army of worms ready to eat any kinds of bacteria that may enter your system.

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• beebarfbadger@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Oh yeah? And what if someone ignores that, simply lies and says it’s toxic? I’m convinced!

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• Sam_Bass@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Used to be s thing about it turning your teeth green

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• Eiri@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Before even wondering about the health effects, we should ask ourselves whether it actually achieves the desired goal. I doubt that.

  If it doesn’t, we don’t even need to wonder about safety; we’ll just stop burning money.

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• MidnightPocket@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I had the misfortune of eavesdropping on a conversation recently where some guy who was working in a bourgeoisie brewing facility recently switched jobs to work at a waste water treatment center and he was advocating for removing fluoride from water with a level of rationale that I have to assume he picked up from co-workers parroting information they heard on the Joe Rogan podcast.

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