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Submitted ⁨⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨retrogaming@lemmy.world⁩

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  • capt_wolf@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Original Halo was released in 2001, 23 years ago.

    Super Mario Bros was released in 1985, 39 years ago.

    There is less time between the release of the first SMB and Halo than Halo and the present day, 16 years…

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    • samus12345@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s interesting how much technology slowed down. Back in the 80s and 90s a 5 year old game looked horribly outdated. No we’re getting close to some 20 year old games still looking pretty decent.

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      • TheTechnician27@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Technology has slowed down, but there’s also diminishing returns for what you can do with a game’s graphics etc.

        • The original Halo ran at 480p on the Xbox. 4K UHD has 27 times the number of pixels than that. The resolution increase from the NES to Halo was about 5.35 times.
        • Games nowadays on PCs are often capable of running smoothly into the hundreds of frames per second, but of course for example the difference between 21 and 30 FPS is less noticeable than the one between 231 and 240 FPS. (Looking at you, OoT)
        • Render distances are much larger with less obvious compromise on LoD.
        • Stuff like ray-tracing is of some graphical benefit but is hugely computationally taxing, and there’s nothing you can do about that. It’s just more diminishing returns.
        • Physics engines are much more complex.
        • At some point, a limiting factor just becomes art direction and budget. You can have all the fancy techniques you want, but you still need to make detailed textures, animations, etc.
        • The amount of polygons starts to hit a ceiling too where the model is basically continuous to the human eye, so adding more polys might only help very subtly.
        • Color depth is basically a solved problem now too compared to going from the NES to the Xbox.

        You can think of sampling audio. If I have a bit depth of 1, and I upgrade that to 16, it’s going to sound a hell of a lot more like an improvement than if I were to upgrade from 48 to 64.

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      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It’s interesting how much technology has slowed down.

        We haven’t slowed down. We simply aren’t noticing the degrees of progress, because they’re increasingly below our scale of discernment. Going from 8-bit to 64-bit is more visually arresting than 1024-bit to 4096-bit. Moving the rendered horizon back another inch is less noticeable each time you do it, while requiring r^2 more processing power to process all those extra assets.

        No we’re getting close to some 20 year old games still looking pretty decent.

        The classic games look good because the art is polished and the direction is skilled. Go back and watch the original Star Wars movie and its going to be more visually acute than the latest Zack Snyder film. Not because movie graphics haven’t improved in 40 years, but because Lucas was very good at his job while Synder isn’t.

        But then compare Avatar: The Way of Water to Tron. Huge improvements, in large part because Tron was trying to get outside the bounds of what was technically possible long before it was practical, while Avatar is taking computer generated graphics to their limit at a much later stage in their development.

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      • Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Same with movies. LOTR is almost 25 years old and still looks great.

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      • not_a_dog@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        True. Was playing Arkham Knight the other day and thought this nine year old game looked better than at least half of current gen games.

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      • bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Last time I was amazed with graphical progress was with Unreal in 1998. And probably just because I hadn’t played Quake 2.

        From then on until now it’s just been a steady and normal increase in expected quality.

        Doom 3 might have come close (and damn, that leaked Alpha was impressive) but by the time it was released it looked just slightly better than everything else.

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      • can@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Damn, should have scrolled farther before looking this up myself.

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    • Jordan117@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Halo 3 released closer to the original Sonic the Hedgehog than today.

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      • camr_on@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        This is distressing

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    • pachrist@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Crazy to know that Cleopatra was born closer to the creation of Halo: Combat Evolved than to the Great Pyramid of Giza.

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    • MeatPilot@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Oh my god stop! He’s already dead!

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    • daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You made my knees hurt.

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    • someguy3@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Pic has Yoshi. I believe that was Super Mario World, 1990.

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      • samus12345@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It was, but they’re just making a point unrelated to the games depicted.

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      • lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Damn, even worse for Halo

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    • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You could use Space Invaders on the Atari

      And next year you’ll be able to use Space Invaders the arcade game

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  • 9point6@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    There’s only 4 years between FF7 and Halo

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    • the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      …Hmm this guy must be wrong

      Checks

      FF7 1997/ Halo: CE 2001

      Fuck me!

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      • robdor@lemmynsfw.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Image

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    • Blaze@sopuli.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Wow

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  • can@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Combat Evolved came out 23 years ago. That’s older than Super Mario Bros. was when the Wii launched.

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    • chiliedogg@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I am very upset with you right now.

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    • irish_link@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I want to downvote you but I cant.

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      • can@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Go ahead

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  • aeronmelon@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    At least they used the correct armor.

    It irks me when they use the armor from Halo 2 or the remastered game to represent Combat Evolved.

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  • Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You think you’re old? I was playing Bungie games when they were only on Mac.

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    • Donut@leminal.space ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Back then, Halo felt like running 26.219 miles

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      • Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Leela was my first in-game crush

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    • CentauriBeau@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I played Atari 2600 back when it was the console to have. I didn’t see a pixel that wasn’t square until I was a man. You think you know old gaming. I was born into it, molded by it, and it made me what I am today; an old man with back pain.

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    • johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You think you’re old? I was playing games on Apples, not Macs…

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      • nexguy@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You think your old. I was playing pong with paddles on channel 3.

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    • JustADrone@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I still miss the atomic hand grenade…

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      • Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Frog blast the vent core!

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  • masquenox@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah, it does. They gave Half-Life’s spot to that crappy game.

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    • hydroxycotton@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I thought the halo ce was generally very well received. Is the hate for it a lemmy generation thing?

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      • Telodzrum@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It is and it’s certainly a better game than HL.

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      • bigboig@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Alotta half-life and older shooter fans blame the modern console shooter style on halo.

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      • masquenox@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I thought the halo ce was generally very well received.

        So was a whole bunch of other FPS tripe that glorified USian militarism.

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    • Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      PacMan is pretty boring but its not that bad.

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  • bulwark@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I heard he’s a pretty cool guy and doesn’t afraid of anything.

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    • Damage@feddit.it ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      He afraids of 343’s writing

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      • Zoidsberg@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        What if, instead of leading humanity in a fight for survival against a diverse mix of alien races with complex social structures, he fought some apes on an otherwise uninhabited planet?

        Give this man a lead writing credit.

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  • xylogx@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It stings at first, but once you realize you can now play all of the classics on emulators it helps take the pain away.

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    • Montagge@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Nintendo would like to know your location

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      • SidewaysHighways@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Nintendo knows

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  • Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah but remember the way Xbox started up? So futuristic. Boomba Boom boom SQUAAAOOW blblblbblbltingley bingley beep beep dink. That could never be retro.

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    • ChicoSuave@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Reminds me of making mouth noises.

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  • kamenlady@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I stumbled across this today and still don’t believe it

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    • The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s impossible…

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      • BrokenGlepnir@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Look in your heart, you know it to be true

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  • GustavoM@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Time to change this community to u/reallyoldgames.

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  • Sam_Bass@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    i still fire up the old star wars raster arcade game sometimes mame is great for stuff like that

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    • Hawke@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s vector.

      Raster is a grid of dots, vector is lines from point to point.

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  • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Young Link’s third appearance was as a dead skeleton afraid that he left no legacy 18 years ago.

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  • AgentGrimstone@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    What’s the game to the left of Halo? It’s the only one I can’t make out.

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    • The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I want to say that’s Tetris.

      Here’s a clearer image:

      Image

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      • gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        No, it’s clearly St Basil’s Cathedral, not a video game!

        Its representing Captain Bible, obviously

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      • can@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It is without a doubt Tetris

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    • Baggie@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Looks like a Russian palace, maybe Tetris?

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      • pyre@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        talk about feeling old… does Tetris no longer include this image?

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  • iAvicenna@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    halo is retro for a 25 year old

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  • wowwoweowza@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Space Invaders, Asteroid, Pong, Adventure… these are retro

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  • Grass@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    its kinda funny because it looks dated even with the graphics overhaul in mcc but the gameplay is still solid, and there are older games that still look as good as release day but the mechanics are kinda rough. And some that always were and always will be perfect.

    I feel like at this point retro is more of a style though. Graphics can only get so realistic and anything made to peak modern visual standards will be harder to differentiate from previous decades as time goes on, if we don’t all die from pollution and war and other shit. Oh fuck, maybe retro will become anything that features a non-destroyed climate/environment in a world where children will be born having never seen what earth once was.

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