Submitted 2 months ago by vegeta@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
Translation:
“Fuck you for not replacing your perfectly fine and still working 10 year old machine and making our line go up more. We’re gonna do our best to brick it because we want all of your money.”
Fuck capitalism. I will (and have been) doing my absolute to avoid buying any kind of physical device that requires an app to function
I will (and have been) doing my absolute to avoid buying any kind of physical device that requires an app to function
Same. It’s becoming more difficult every day.
And that’s so sad. There are a lot of (mainly Elderly people) who don’t even have a smartphone who now often can’t use the most basic stuff necessary it needs an app.
if I see something requires an app, no matter how good it is otherwise. the product is dead to me. I know it is, effectively, going to break within a year or two.
I have one of these, and I use it just fine without an app fwiw
I’m getting that same way.
Currently trying to chase down some automatic sun shades that don’t need an app to do time-based cycles. Shouldn’t be this hard, but every band wants you to use absolute garbage apps.
Yeah, I need to start being better about this. It’s a shame because I bought my joule sous vide because I like the simplicity and ability to monitor and program it remotely (helpful when cooking for 5-6h). App stopped working properly and now they’ve been purchased by breville and if I want to use it I need to switch and I’m guessing it won’t be long before they start to drop functionallity or require some sort of subscription. There are things like this where the app is much more than a gimmick. But it sucks to have some company pulling the strings of what you can or can’t do with your own hardware.
water+heat proofing is hard, or I’d suggest a DIY solution.
can’t just root the sous vide?
I mean it is shitty still, but people with an old device and an account already are unaffected, plus the old devices like the one I have is completely operable offline. I’ve not connected it to WiFi except when I first got it to check the app out.
Wait
“Our community has literally cooked 100s of millions of times with our app. Unfortunately, each connected cook costs us money.”
The cooker, It’s FUCKING Bluetooth. It doesn’t need to call home, it can’t call home. The App, It has a list of 35 different sous vide recipes that could live on the app. The app has no business calling home, they don’t need a server.
They need if they were to push firmware updates via the app that are then installed over Bluetooth, like some headphones do. But that should be a free service, and also optional. I don’t really see any groundbreaking functionality added for a device that’s basically a submerged motor with a temperature probe.
It’s a decade old cooking appliance .
What possible firmware updates could it need at this point?
Firmware updates should not cost a subscription fee and could open them up to lawsuits.
Temperature Temperature set point Deadband Heater power Time Display temperature Display time
This can literally be handled with two non-microprocessor integrated circuits and $5 in other electronic Lego components.
It doesn’t need firmware. It’s a $200 oversized fish tank heater.
Even in that case the app doesn’t need to phone home. It doesn’t even need an internet connection on its own. You’d have to download the update yourself and then use the app to apply the patch, which is less user friendly to not-so-tech-savy users but possible. Just send an email with the necessary information to users who have subscribed to receive these kind of updates.
It’s a cooker. Why the hell does it even need bluetooth, let alone an internet connection?
So it can notify you when the water has reached the set temperature or the time you set for cooking is up. Which can be handy. However, I found the BT very weak on my Anova and it would lose connection when I went into my home office a mere 25’ away, so I stopped using it. There’s actually no need for the water to be up to temperature before you put your food in, and food can sit as long as you want; half the point of sous vide is to be able to hold food at temp without overcooking. So you don’t really need the timer either.
I have something similar, but wifi. Never even tried to connect to it, because you just use the buttons to set temp & time.
I can imagine, though, that an app might have buttons for ‘eggs’, ‘yogurt’, ‘steak’, etc. Or maybe let you program temperature-time sequences. Or let you check how much time is left from the next room. Conveniences. Definitely no need for them to phone home, though, except maybe for an ad-driven ‘recipe of the week’ type thing.
And if each did cost them money - they’ve been paid when the stupid thing was purchased!
Yeah, it’s a $200 heater. Probably $30 in parts. You can run a small cluster for the profit in a few sales a month.
This is the absolute worst possible way for me to first hear about a product and company that I would have otherwise been interested in
Same. I’ve been thinking of replacing the cheap immersion circulator we have, and was going to go with Anova. This blatant enshittification is enough to make me look elsewhere.
I’ve had one for years, use it often and honestly didn’t know it had an app until today.
It is utterly bullshit. But is the app required for using the device?
Also
The subscription fee will only apply to people who make an account after August 21. Those who downloaded the app and made an account before August 21 won’t have to pay. But everyone will have to make an account; some people have been using the app without one until now
I have one and I can use it without the app
Better make an account in the next 5 days
So it’s not as bad as it seems, at least.
Unless these people paid a premium for this kind of “smart” device vs. the cost of a basic version.
Lemmy.world needs an internet-of-shit community. This could be a solid first contribution.
It might fall into the remit of @enshittification@lemmy.world
That links to a user for me.
Sounds like it’s time for an open sauce alternative.
I passed on a lot of the fancier apartment buildings for requiring an app and a cell phone to gain access to your own home. I shouldn’t have to agree to an arbitration/class action waiver to use my own front door, I don’t feel comfortable with management getting a notification on their phone every time I come or go, I don’t like the fact that 20+ listed partner companies have access to sensitive personal data, and I shouldn’t have to wait for maintenance to show up in the middle of the night because I couldn’t make it back home before my glorified tracking device died on me.
The sad thing is that most of these locking units cost these apartments hundreds of dollars each on top of a monthly subscription.
What the actual fuck. In what country do you live?
U.S… Not an actual tracking device, just a cell phone. I usually leave it at home, which would have been impossible to do at many of those buildings.
management getting a notification
Isn’t that a giant privacy violation? Why does anyone need to know when you come or go?
They’re just going to push people to the cheaper units at this point.
I was looking at sous vide cookers a few months back and was considering ANOVA but they were too expensive. Opted for a generic one instead.
The fact that they’re more expensive and require a subscription for what’s essentially a set of presets that my cheap unit has for free is just ridiculous.
Interesting, because when they were relatively new, they were also the cheap option. Sous vide used to be a $1000+ thing. I did a DIY version for around $200, but later Anova came out and it was less sketchy than my box of wires running mains voltage.
Instant Pot seems to make a pretty good one that fits around the sides of their pressure cookers.
Anova’s app is basically useless. Could be nice for looking up temperatures and times for specific things, but I usually google it, anyway. Steaks are by far the most common thing I do sous vide, so it’s usually preset for that. Never used the app outside of playing with it when I first got it.
I refuse to use one that requires bluetooth or an account. I want to turn the bitch on and go do shit for 4+hr. There’s nothing fancy about the process. Some real Ron Popeil shit and they try to force apps on us.
Were gonna need to pirate sous vides now
Other than my computer, phone and xbox, I own nothing at all that can connect to the Internet. It’s incredibly stupid.
I have a smart TV and a Bluray player as well, but other than that, only phones, computers, and my Switch connect to the internet. My next TV will likely not be smart, because screw ads, and I’ve ripped all of my Blurays.
I own some things that can, but that doesn’t mean they do.
My bloody dishwasher asked for my wifi password when I first connected it.
Oh ffs… This is the one I have…
And, you know what? The firmware sucks.
You can’t even connect to wifi if you have two AP’s with the same name (which is literally everyone).
I haven’t even installed the app in ages because it’s a PITA and has never worked 100%.
But, they can guarantee my next one won’t be an anova again. There are much cheaper alternatives now
I’d recommend anova brand
yeah…ummm…no
I have one of their’s that can connect to your phone. It’s not needed, it just adds extra cook book functions. It even hosts it so you can control the sous vide when you’re not at home, almost like a reverse proxy.
But yea the physical buttons work fine without the app.
My car works fine without a seat warmer, but if you sold it to me as part of the car then later it started charging me a subscription I’d be pretty pissed.
What I like about having the Bluetooth connection to the app, is mostly just to see when the water has come up to temperature.
But that was apparently too much to ask, since it says that they are also removing the Bluetooth functionality from the app…
You know, This kind of shit happens so frequently anymore that if you’re dumb enough to buy things that, for absolutely no reason, requires an internet connection and an app… Then you deserve what you get.
Yes let’s make this the consumers’ fault, what with their limitless power in this dystopian fuckscape
It’s sometimes hard to find, I needed a new stove, all the ones I could afford and that had what we needed had a fucking internet connection. I fucking hate it.
Username checks out
The subscription fee will only apply to people who make an account after August 21. Those who downloaded the app and made an account before August 21 won’t have to pay. But everyone will have to make an account; some people have been using the app without one until now.
“You helped us build Anova, and our intent is that you will be grandfathered in forever,” Svajian wrote
Fuck everything about this, but at least they have the decency not to pull the rug on people who bought it without this stupidity.
The only real benefit of the app to me is the push notifications, but losing those would be douchey.
You wouldn’t download a sous vide
The wifi ones work with Home Assistant so you won’t lose remote features. The bad news is you have to run home assistant and set it up.
As for the BT only version you need more work and a BT proxy. community.home-assistant.io/t/…/550295
I have never bought an appliance or physical product that requires an app to use, and I never will until our society has deteriorated to the the point where there is no alternative to that in order to get by in it. It’s almost at that point already with smartphones but for now it’s still possible to get by without one.
I personally think it’s perfectly reasonable for a company to eventually start charging for a service they provide that costs them money to provide. They might bakenin some number of years into the product price, but they can’t keep providing the service for free forever.
It seems like something that should be expected if we do want certain services to be provided and maintained. Heck, I also think that offering a subscription is better than the usual alternative, which is that the company just shuts the service down.
However, the way this is done is almost always slimy and shitty and likely is only going to get solved by regulation.
Should be a no-brainer.
Enshittification strikes again. 🤬
2$/m9nth for a fucking thermostat.
I wish people would stop threatening companies switching to subscription that they’ll lose business. The c-suite know they’ll lose much of the current customer base. They’re banking on the data telling them that the market acceptance of their product is gaining traction with new customers.
That will float them until they tell grandfathered users to go screw themselves and will face all sorts of new charges to use their app as previously established.
This is what happens when you have companies run by MBAs and lawyers. They respond to the data, and as long as the data says any negative responses can be overcome in some other way, they’ll do it. They don’t care about their clientele (or their employees for that matter). They care about the extra millions of dollars they were promised for the degrees they paid for.
Start finding alternate solutions to any product that connects to the internet. Then they can’t spy on your or handcuff a sub fee to their product.
someone can just make a cracked version people can sideload
I bet the app requires cloud hosting for it to run, and its starting to eat away at the profits they made.
If it needs nothing but bluetooth, then this a pure money grab.
I will never throw a brick through the headquarters of Anova, nor would I advocate for others doing it.
I have two Anova cookers and have never needed the app fwiw
Guess inkbird are going to get recommended a lot more…
kevindqc@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I haven’t used the app in a while and opened it and saw this… Well never buying Anova again
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Fester@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Imagine seeing that message and buying another product from them.
“It’s time to artificially create waste. Don’t worry, you won’t see this message again. Our new cookers are designed to not last 10 years.”
BillibusMaximus@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
100%. They’ve just guaranteed that the sous vide unit that I have now is the last Anova product I will ever buy.
werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 2 months ago
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bdonvr@thelemmy.club 2 months ago
I can’t imagine why these things even need an app.
You have to set the thing up, just hit the buttons on the device.
Kalkaline@leminal.space 2 months ago
The one and only time I used the app it lost connectivity and left my chuck roast in lukewarm water for who knows how long. Tossed it because I didn’t want to kill my family with food poisoning. It’s nice if you have a WIFI connected device, so you can put something on the counter in an ice water bath in the morning with the sous vide wand in there and flip it on before you leave work in the afternoon. Also seeing that the water has maintained an appropriate temp during a long cook is nice too. It’s a niche case use, but that’s why it’s nice to have it connected.
Wrench@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I have a different brand, but I can see the value. The interface on the small screen on the device I have is very clumsy. Took me a while to figure it out, and I’m very tech savvy. I can see a mobile app being useful, also for notifications so I don’t independently have to set timers.
Also as a former mobile dev, mobile apps take maintenance to keep up with OS changes over time. And developers are expensive.
What I imagine happened is that they probably outsourced their app development to a 3rd party, because they make hardware, not software. That contract probably expired, including their ongoing support agreement, and they’ve probably negotiated an hourly rate for support on-demand going forward, maybe with a different 3rd party dev.
So in all likelihood, they’re just passing the cost for ongoing maintenance on an EOL model to the customer.
However, that looks absolutely insane from a consumer standpoint.
I don’t know their Financials, but they may not be big enough to just swallow the cost for brand PR if they’re not selling at a volume and profit margin to be able lose money on old products.
This is why, even as a dev that used to work in the mobile and IOT space, I tend to purchase dumb devices if there are good options. Smart devices get dumb as soon as the shine has dulled.
Reyali@lemm.ee 2 months ago
My partner has an Anovo affected by this and he knows the details better than me, but IIRC the app allows you to set times to change temps or things like that. The device still works without the app, but you lose the convenience factor of being able to monitor or make changes at a distance.
helenslunch@feddit.nl 2 months ago
LOL they absolutely don’t and mine does not have one.
kelvie@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Size and easy to clean (and waterproof) is one, I have a ChefSteps Joule which is app control only, but it is much easier to clean, and much smaller than my old Anova (fits in a drawer with other crap)
Granted it is more annoying to use the app than the controls, but the trade off for us was worth it, if not for everyone.
Tikiporch@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I have one, and didn’t know it had an app.
wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
That’s bullshit
SpacePirate@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Actively encouraging people to toss perfectly good hardware to fuel their subscription bullshit… and these guys weren’t even recently bought by a VC firm or anything?
WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 2 months ago
They were bought by Electrolux in 2017, and have been enshittifying ever since. Cheaper, lower quality parts, etc. They’re just profiting from the brand as they turn it to shit. Never buy their products.
Kushan@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Unrelated but how would you rate sous vide cooking? I am tempted for a bunch of reasons but I’m worried it’ll be just another kitchen appliance that I rarely use.
frezik@midwest.social 2 months ago
For steaks, they’re excellent. About the only thing I haven’t been able to do over a good steakhouse restaurant is an extremely crisply outer layer. There’s some techniques there that I haven’t learned yet that might fix that. Everything else about the juiciness and taste is easily the same or better.
morbidcactus@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
If you’re not committed, you don’t actually need an appliance for it, have had great results with a Dutch oven and a programmable BBQ thermometer monitoring the water temp. One of my burners goes really low so just a matter of adjusting to keep in range. You don’t get forced circulation (get some natural circulation though) and it’s not set and forget, but you can do with stuff you probably already have on hand. Done with heavy freezer bags before I was gifted a vacuum sealer.
kevindqc@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I was using it for steaks and it’s been great - sous vide then cast iron pan - but I moved somewhere where the smoke alarm is extremely sensitive so haven’t used it much lately 😞
MediaSensationalism@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I would see if there’s a way to disable updates for that app.
Empricorn@feddit.nl 2 months ago
“supporting them”. I understand bug fixes and the inevitable support end-of-life cycle, etc; I really do. But the reasoning behind abandoning an old, yet in-use product is because you want them to buy a newer alternative.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
Do you need the apk to use it at all? Or is it just a little perk to go along with it?
Hopefully, someone hacks the apk so it just keeps working.
mosiacmango@lemm.ee 2 months ago
It let’s you remote control it and pick recipes that will autoset the temps.
So, not at all. Sous vide is a “set and forget” cooking method like a crockpot. You can walk away and leave the thing running long past the minimum time and have no issues because the whole point is it takes food to an exact temp and no further.