There is no fix for Intel’s crashing 13th and 14th Gen CPUs — any damage is permanent

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• floofloof@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Intel has not halted sales or clawed back any inventory. It will not do a recall, period.

  Buy AMD. Got it!

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  • grue@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’ve been buying AMD for – holy shit – 25 years now, and have never once regretted it. I don’t consider myself a fanboi; I just (a) prefer having the best performance-per-dollar rather than best performance outright, and (b) like rooting for the underdog.

    But if Intel keeps fucking up like this, I might have to switch on grounds of (b)!

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    ___ (Realistically I’d be more likely to switch to ARM or even RISCV, though. Even if Intel became an underdog, my memory of their anti-competitive and anti-consumer bad behavior remains long.)

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    • SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Same here. I hate Intel so much, I won’t even work there, despite it being my current industry and having been headhunted by their recruiter. It was so satisfying to tell them to go to pound sand.

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    • Damage@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’ve been on AMD and ATi since the Athlon 64 days on the desktop.

      Laptops are always Intel, simply because that’s what I can find, even if every time I scour the market extensively.

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    • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Sorry but after the amazing Athlon x2, the core and core 2 (then i series) lines fuckin wrecked AMD for YEARS. Ryzen took the belt back but AMD was absolutely wrecked through the core and i series.

      Source: computer building company and also history

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    • FinalRemix@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’ve had nothing but issues with some footers, laptops, etc…m once I discovered the common factor was Intel, I haven’t had a single problem with any of my devices since. AMD all the way for CPUs.

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    • TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m with you on all this. Fuck Intel.

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    • vxx@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I hate the way Intel is going, but I’ve been using Intel chips for over 30 years and never had an issue.

      So your statement is kind of pointless, since it’s such a small data set, it’s irrelevant.

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    • umbrella@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      © upgradability and not having motherboards be disposable on purpose

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    • nek0d3r@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Genuinely, I’ve also been an AMD buyer since I started building 12 years ago. I started out as a fan boy but mellowed out over the years. I know the old FX were garbage but it’s what I started on, and I genuinely enjoy the 4 gens of Intel since ivy bridge, but between the affordability and being able to upgrade without changing the motherboard every generation, I’ve just been using Ryzen all these years.

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  • xantoxis@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    ARM looking pretty good too these days

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    • Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      arm is very primed to take a lot of market share of server market from intel. Amazon is already very committed on making their graviton arm cpu their main cpu, which they own a huge lion share of the server market on alone.

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    • mox@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      RISC-V isn’t there yet, but it’s moving in the right direction. A completely open architecture is something many of us have wanted for ages. It’s worth keeping an eye on.

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    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If there were decent homelab ARM CPUs, I’d be all over that. But everything is either memory limited (e.g. max 8GB) or datacenter grade (so $$$$). I want something like a Snapdragon with 4x SATA, 2x m.2, 2+ USB-C, and support for 16GB+ RAM in a mini-ITX form factor. Give it to me for $200-400, and I’ll buy it.

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    • cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s not quite there for desktop use yet, but it probably won’t be too much longer.

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    • SRo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Not really

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  • henfredemars@infosec.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Smells like a future class action lawsuit to me.

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    • Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You mean the type where the lawyers get eight figure payouts and you get a ten dollar check?

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  • Exusia@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah that’s pretty shitty to continue to sell a part that they know is defective.

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    • lath@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yet they do it all the time when a higher specs CPU is fabricated with physical defects and is then presented as a lower specs variant.

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• MudMan@fedia.io ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I have a 13 series chip, it had some reproducible crashing issues that so far have subsided by downclocking it. It is in the window they've shared for the oxidation issue. At this point there's no reliable way of knowing to what degree I'm affected, by what type of issue, whether I should wait for the upcoming patch or reach out to see if they'll replace it.

  I am not happy about it.

  Obviously next time I'd go AMD, just on principle, but this isn't the 90s anymore. I could do a drop-in replacement to another Intel chip, but switching platforms is a very expensive move these days. This isn't just a bad CPU issue, this could lead to having to swap out two multi-hundred dollar componenet, at least on what should have been a solidly future-proof setup for at least five or six years.

  I am VERY not happy about it.

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  • henfredemars@infosec.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m angry on your behalf. If you have to downclock the part so that it works, then you’ve been scammed. It’s fraud to sell a part as a higher performing part when it can’t deliver that performance.

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    • MudMan@fedia.io ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      So here's the thing about that, the real performance I lose is... not negligible, but somewhere between 0 and 10% in most scenarios, and I went pretty hard keeping the power limits low. Once I set it up this way, realizing just how much power and heat I'm saving for the last few few drops of performance made me angrier than having to do this. The dumb performance race with all the built-in overclocking has led to these insanely power hungry parts that are super sensitive to small defects and require super aggressive cooling solutions.

      I would have been fine with a part rated for 150W instead of 250 that worked fine with an air cooler. I could have chosen whether to push it. But instead here we are, with extremely expensive motherboards massaging those electrons into a firehose automatically and turning my computer into a space heater for the sake of bragging aobut shaving half a milisecond per frame on CounterStrike. It's absurd.

      None of which changes that I got sold a bum part, Intel is fairly obviously trying to weasel out of the obviously needed recall and warranty extension and I'm suddenly on the hook for close to a grand in superfluous hardware next time I want to upgrade because my futureproof parts are apparently made of rust and happy thoughts.

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  • brickfrog@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I have a 13 series chip, it had some reproducible crashing issues that so far have subsided by downclocking it.

    the company confirmed a patch is coming in mid-August that should address the “root cause” of exposure to elevated voltage. But if your 13th or 14th Gen Intel Core processor is already crashing, that patch apparently won’t fix it.

    Citing unnamed sources, Tom’s Hardware reports that any degradation of the processor is irreversible, and an Intel spokesperson did not deny that when we asked.

    If your CPU is already crashing then that’s it, game over. The upcoming patch cannot fix it. You’ve got to figure out if you can do a warranty replacement or continue to live with workarounds like you’re doing now.

    Their retail boxed CPUs usually have a 3(?) year warranty so for a 13th gen CPU you may be midway or at the tail end of that warranty period. If it’s OEM, etc. it could be a 1 year warranty aka Intel isn’t doing anything about it unless a class action suit forces them :/

    The whole situation sucks and honestly seems a bit crazy that Intel hasn’t already issued a recall or dealt with this earlier.

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    • 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If you’re in the UK or I expect EU, I imagine if it’s due to oxidation you can get it replaced even on an expired warranty as it’s a defect which was known to either you or intel before the warranty expired, and a manufacturing defect rather than breaking from use, so intel are pretty much in a corner about having sold you faulty shit

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    • MudMan@fedia.io ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The article is... not wrong, but oversimplifying. There seem to be multiple faults at play here, some would continue to degrade, others would prevent you from recovering some performance threshold, but may be prevented from further damage, others may be solved. Yes, degradation of the chip may be irreversible, if it's due to the oxidation problem or due to the incorrect voltages having cuased damage, but presumably in some cases the chip would continue to work stable and not degenerate further with the microcode fixes.

      But yes, agreed, the situation sucks and Intel should be out there disclosing a range of affected chips by at least the confirmed physical defect and allowing a streamlined recall of affected devices, not saying "start an RMA process and we'll look into it".

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  • tal@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They do say that you can contact Intel customer support if you have an affected CPU, and that they’re replacing CPUs that have been actually damaged. I don’t know – and Intel may not know – what information or proof you need, but my guess is that it’s good odds that you can get a replacement CPU. So there probably is some level of recourse.

    Now, obviously that’s still a bad situation. You’re out the time that you didn’t have a stable system, out the effort you put into diagnosing it, maybe have losses from system downtime (like, I took an out-of-state trip expecting to be able to access my system remotely and had it hang due to the CPU damage at one point), maybe out data you lost from corruption, maybe out money you spent trying to fix the problem (like, on other parts).

    But I’d guess that specifically for the CPU, if it’s clearly damaged, you have good odds of being able to at least get a non-damaged CPU at some point without needing to buy it.

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    • RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Replacing it with what exactly. Another 13/14th gen chip?

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    • MudMan@fedia.io ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      "Clearly damaged" is an interesting problem. The CPU would crash 100% of the time on the default settings for the motherboard, but if you remember, they issued a patch already.

      I patched. And guess what, with the new Intel Defaults it doesn't crash anymore. But it suddenly runs very hot instead. Like, weird hot. On a liquid cooling system it's thermal throttling when before it wouldn't come even close. Won't crash, though.

      So is it human error? Did I incorrectly mount my cooling? I'd say probably not, considering it ran cool enough pre-patch until it became unstable and it runs cool enough now with a manual downclock. But is that enough for Intel to issue a replacement if the system isn't unstable? More importantly, do I want to have that fight with them now or to wait and see if their upcoming patch, which allegedly will fix whatever incorrect voltage requests the CPU is making, fixes the overheating issue? Because I work on this thing, I can't just chuck it in a box, send it to Intel and wait. I need to be up and running immediately.

      So yeah, it sucks either way, but it would suck a lot less if Intel was willing to flag a range of CPUs as being eligible for a recall.

      As I see it right now, the order of operations is to wait for the upcoming patch, retest the default settings after the patch and if the behavior seems incorrect contact Intel for a replacement. I just wish they would make it clearer what that process is going to be and who is eligible for one.

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  • Lets_Eat_Grandma@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    switching platforms is a very expensive move these days.

    It’s just a motherboard and a cpu. Everything else is cross compatible, likely even your cpu cooler. If you just buy another intel chip… it’s just gonna oxidize again.

    $370 for a 7800x3d microcenter.com/…/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d-raphael-am5…

    ~$200 for a motherboard.

    Personally i’d wait for the next release to drop in a month… or until your system crashes aren’t bearable / it’s worth making the change. I just don’t see the cost as prohibitive, it’s about on par with all the alternatives. Plus you could sell your old motherboard for something.

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    • stankmut@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s just nearly $600. Practically free.

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    • barsoap@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m not really that knowledgeable about AM5 mobos (still on AM4) but you should be able to get something perfectly sensible for 100 bucks. Are you going to get as much IO and bells and whistles no but most people don’t need that stuff and you don’t have to spend a lot of money to get a good VRM or traces to the DIMM slots.

      Then, possibly bad news: Intel Gen 13 supports DDR4, so you might need new RAM.

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    • MudMan@fedia.io ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I mean, happy for you, but in the real world a 200 extra dollars for a 400 dollar part is a huge price spike.

      Never mind that, be happy for me, I actually went for a higher spec than that when I got this PC because I figured I'd get at least one CPU upgrade out of this motherboard, since it was early days of DDR5 and it seemed like I'd be able to both buy faster RAM and a faster CPU to keep my device up to date. So yeah, it was more expensive than that.

      And hey, caveat emptor, futureproofing is a risky, expensive game on PCs. I was ready for a new technology to make me upgrade anyway, if we suddenly figured out endless storage or instant RAM or whatever. Doesn't mean it isn't crappy to suddenly make upgrading my CPU almost twice as expensive because Intel sucks at their one job.

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  • blackwateropeth@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Went 13th -> 14th very early in both’s launch cycles because of chronic crashing. After about swapping mobo, RAM and SSDs i finally swapped to AMD and my build from late 2022 is FINALLY stable. Wendell’s video was the catalyst to jump ship. I thought I was going crazy, but yea… it was intel

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    • MudMan@fedia.io ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Whoa, that's even worse. It's not just the uncertainty of knowing whether Intel will replace your hardware or the cost of jumping ship next time. Intel straight up owes you money. That sucks.

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  • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    When did you buy it? Depending on the credit card you have, they will sometimes extend on any manufacturer warranty by a year or two. Might be worth checking.

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    • MisterFrog@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Are there like no consumer guarantees in the US? How is this not a open and shut case where the manufacturer needs to replace or refund the product?

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• Telorand@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Don’t worry. I’m sure the $10 Doordash card is coming to an inbox near you!

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• wirehead@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  A few years ago now I was thinking that it was about time for me to upgrade my desktop (with a case that dates back to 2000 or so, I guess they call them “sleepers” these days?) because some of my usual computer things were taking too long.

  And I realized that Intel was selling the 12th generation of the Core at that point, which means the next one was a 13th generation and I dono, I’m not superstitious but I figured if anything went wrong I’d feel pretty darn silly. So I pulled the trigger and got a 12th gen core processor and motherboard and a few other bits.

  This is quite amusing in retrospect.

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  • JPAKx4@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I recently built myself a computer, and went with AMD’s 3d cache chips and boy am I glad. I think I went 12th Gen for my brothers computer but it was mid range which hasn’t had these issues to my knowledge.

    Also yes, sleeper is the right term.

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    • tal@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I think I went 12th Gen for my brothers computer

      12th gen isn’t affected. The problem affects only the 13th and 14th gen Intel chips.

      For the high-end thing, initially it was speculated that it was just the high-end chips in these generations, but it’s definitely the case that chips other than just the high-end ones have been recorded failing. It may be that the problem is worse with the high-end CPUs, but it’s known to not be restricted to them at this point.

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• gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  After literally 14 years of avoiding AMD after getting burned twice I finally went back to team red just a week ago, for a new CPU

  so glad I picked them now lol

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  • demizerone@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    In my case I upgraded from threadripper 1950x to a 14900k and the machine died after four months. Went back to threadripper 7560x like I should of. My 14th gen cpu still posts, but haven’t thrown any load at it yet. I’m hoping it can still be a streaming box…

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  • Zetta@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I switched to AMD with the Ryzen 3000 series and can’t see myself going to Intel for at least 2 or 3 more upgrades (like 10 years for me), and that’s only if they are competitive again in that amount of time.

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  • communism@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    after getting burned twice

    Can I ask what happened?

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• fne8w2ah@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Ryzens are so gonna sell like hot cakes after this lol. 😅

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  • Emerald@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    And the Threadrippers are gonna cook like hot cakes

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    • Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Who buys a thread ripper when the 7800x3d exists?

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    • Angry_Autist@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Heat management is what separates the casuals from the enthusiasts.

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• TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Amd processors have literally always been a better value and rarely have been surpassed by much for long. The only problem they ever had was back in the day they overheated easily. But I will never ever buy an Intel processor on purpose, especially after this.

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  • mox@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The only problem they ever had was back in the day they overheated easily.

    That’s not true. It was just last year that some of the Ryzen 7000 models were burning themselves out from the insides at default settings (within AMD specs) due to excessive SoC voltage. They fixed it through new specs and working with board manufacturers to issue new BIOS, and I think they eventually gave in to pressure to cover the damaged units. I guess we’ll see if Intel ends up doing the same.

    I generally agree with your sentiment, though. :)

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    • SpaceCadet@feddit.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s not true. It was just last year that some of the Ryzen 7000 models were burning themselves

      I think he was referring to “back-in-the-day” when Athlons, unlike the competing Pentium 3 and 4 CPUs of the day, didn’t have any thermal protections and would literally go up in smoke if you ran them without cooling.

      www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRn8ri9tKf8

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    • TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah. I just meant AMD cpus used to easily overheat if your cooling system had an issue. My ryzen 7 3700x has been freaking awesome though. Feels more solid than any PC I’ve built. And it’s fast AF. I think I saved over $150 when comparing to a similarly rated Intel CPU. And the motherboards generally seem cheaper for AMD too. I would feel ripped off with Intel even without the crashing issues

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    • tal@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Problem is that it’s getting extremely hard to get more single-threaded performance out of a chip, and this is one of the few ways to do so. And a lot of software is not going to be rewritten to use multiple cores. In some cases, it’s fundamentally impossible to parallelize a particular algorithm.

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  • Deway@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    rarely have been surpassed by much for long.

    I’ve been on team AMD for over 20 years now but that’s not true. The CoreDuo and the first couple of I CPUS were better than what AMD was offering and were for a decade. The Athlon were much better than the Pentium 3 and P4, the Ryzen are better than the current I series but the Phenom weren’t. Don’t get me wrong, I like my Phenom II X4 but it objectively wasn’t as good as Intel’s offerings back in the day.

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  • edgesmash@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The only problem they ever had was back in the day they overheated easily.

    Very easily.

    In college (early aughts), I worked as tech support for fellow students. Several times I had to take the case cover off, point a desktop fan into the case, and tell the kid he needed to get thermal paste and a better cooler (services we didn’t offer).

    Also, as others have said, AMD CPUs have not always been superior to Intel in performance or even value (though AMDs have almost always been cheaper). It’s been a back-and-forth race for much of their history.

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• sebsch@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Is there really still such a market for Intel CPUs? I do not understand that AMDs Zen is so much better and is the superior technology since almost a decade now.

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  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Intel is in the precarious position of being the largest surviving American owned semiconductor manufacturer, with the competition either existing abroad (TSMC, Samsung, ASML) or as a partner/subsidiary of a foreign national firm (NVidia simply procures its chips from TSMC, GlobalFoundries was bought up by the UAE sovereign wealth fund, etc).

    Consequently, whenever the US dumps a giant bucket of money into the domestic semiconductor industry, Intel is there to clean up whether or not their technology actually works.

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  • mrvictory1@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Prebuilts and laptops

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  • frezik@midwest.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The argument was that while AMD is better on paper in most things, Intel would give you rock solid stability. That argument has now taken an Iowa-class broadside to the face.

    I don’t watch LTT anymore, but a few years back they had a video where they were really pushing the limits of PCIe lanes on an Epyc chip by stuffing it full of NVMe drives and running them with software RAID (which Epyc’s sick number of cores should be able to handle). Long story short, they ran into a bunch of problems. After talking to Wendel of Level1Techs, he mentioned that sometimes, AMD just doesn’t work the way it seems it should based on paper specs. Intel usually does. (Might be getting a few details wrong about this, but the general gist should be right.)

    This argument was almost the only thing stopping AMD from taking over the server market. The other thing was AMD simply being able to manufacture enough chips in a short time period. The server market is huge; Intel had $16B revenue in “Data Center and AI” in 2023, while AMD’s total revenue was $23B. Now manufacturing ramp up might be all that’s stopping AMD from owning it.

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  • ruse8145@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_value_available.html#xy_… Don’t see data backing up your claim across a wide range of perf

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  • shasta@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Intels have been working in my Linux server better than AMD. The AMDs kept causing server crashes due to C-state nonsense that no amount of BIOS tweaking would fix. AMD is great for performance and efficiency (and cost/value) in my gaming PC but wreaking havoc with my server which I need to be reliably functional without power restarts.

    So I have both.

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  • BobGnarley@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Its the only chip that runs on open source bios and you can completely disable the Intel ME after boot up.

    AMD’s PSP is 100% proprietary spyware that can’t be disabled or manipulated into not running.

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  • M0oP0o@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The new AMD generation kinda tossed all the good out the window. Now they are the more expensive option and even with this Intel fuckup they are likely still going to be the go to for people that have more sense then money.

    Funny that the good old zen 3 stuff is still swinging above its weight class.

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  • deeply_moving_queef@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Intel’s iGPU is still the by far the best option for applications such as media transcoding. It’s a shame that AMD haven’t focussed more on this but understandable, it’s relatively niche.

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  • w2tpmf@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Naw. Zen was a leap ahead when it came out but AMD didn’t keep that pace long and Intel CPUs quickly caught up.

    I just almost bought a Ryzen 9 7900x but a i7-13700k ended up being cheaper and outperforms the AMD chip.

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• gearheart@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This would be funny if it happened to Nvidia.

  Hope Intel recovers from this. Imagine if Nvidia was the only consumer hardware manufacturer…

  No one wants that.

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  • mlg@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This would be funny if it happened to Nvidia.

    Hope Intel recovers from this. Imagine if Nvidia was the only consumer hardware manufacturer…

    Lol there was a reason Xbox 360s had a whopping 54% failure rate and every OEM was getting sued in the late 2000s for chip defects.

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  • brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This would be funny if it happened to Nvidia.

    It kinda, has, with Fermi, lol. The GTX 480 was… something, and it wasn’t the only one.

    Nvidia does not compete in this market though, as much as they’d like to. They do not make x86 CPUs, and frankly Intel is hard to displace since they have their own fab capacity.

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  • Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Me too so it keeps AMD on their toes.

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• 2pt_perversion@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  People are freaking out about the lack of a recall but intel says their patch that will supposedly stop currently working cpus from experiencing the overvolt condition that is leading to the failure. So they don’t really need to do a recall if currently working CPUs will stay working with the patch in place. As long as they offer some sort of free extended warranty and a good RMA proccess for the CPUs that are already damaged I feel it’s fine.

  If they RMA with a bump in perf for those affected it might even be positive PR like “they stand by their products” but if they’re stingy with responsibility then we should obviously give them hell. We really have to see how they handle this.

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  • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They cant even commit to offering RMAs, period. They keep using vague, cant-be-used-against-me-in-a-court-of-law language.

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• SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I use a 4770k jokes on Intel.

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• deltreed@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  So like, did Intel lay off or deprecate its QA teams similar to what Microsoft did with Windows? Remember when stability was key and everything else was secondary? Pepperidge farms remembers.

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• wingsfortheirsmiles@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I smell a class action lawsuit brewing

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• InAbsentia@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Thankfully I haven’t had any issues out of my 13700k but it’s pretty shitty of Intel to not stand behind their products and do a recall.

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• nobleshift@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  And this is why I never purchase a product with a revision code of *.0, and almost always purchase used.

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• kelargo@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Is this resulting from Intel’s use of hidden Minix OS in their CPUs?

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• Brown_dude69@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  So here goes my reason to buy the new gen laptop

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• demesisx@infosec.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The other day, when this news hit for the first time, I bought two ITM Put options on INTC. Then, I waited three days and sold them for 200% profit. Then, I used the profit to invest in the SOXX etf. Feels good to finally get some profit from INTC’s incompetence.

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• Kashmir@midwest.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  So this is why my computer randomly shuts down and freezes up.

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• jordanlund@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Aw, geeze, I just got gifted a new PC for father’s day, now I have shit to do…

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• Mwa@thelemmy.club ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  lol i use 12 gen intel

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• ApollosArrow@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I have an Intel Core i9-14900K 3.2 GHz 24-Core LGA 1700 Processor purchased in March. Is there any guesses for the window yet of potential affected CPUs?

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• CaptainBasculin@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Considering AMD has also paused its release of 9th gen Ryzen just before its release date; I wonder if this issue is caused by TSMC.

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• w2tpmf@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Any real world comparison. Gaming frame rate, video encoding… The 13-700 beats the 7900x while being more energy efficient and costing less.

  That’s even giving AMD a handicap in the comparison since the 7700x is supposed to be the direct comparison to the 13-700.

  I say all this as a longggg time AMD CPU customer. I had planned on buying their CPU before multiple different sources of comparison steered me away this time.

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• beats_and_bytes@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I guess there’s no cultural memory remaining at Intel of en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_FDIV_bug?

  I predict that they will indeed end up eventually doing a recall despite what they told The Verge, but only after their reputation is even more irreversibly damaged than it already has been due to this issue.

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