Reality displayed an immaculate sense of poetic justice today.
criss_cross@lemmy.world 6 months ago
His last words
He was asked how many shooters were trans in the last 10 years and replied “Too many” He was corrected, the number is 5. He was then asked how many shootings happened in these years (there were 5700) He asked back: “Counting or not counting gang violence?” and got shot
EldenLord@lemmy.world 6 months ago
aeronmelon@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Seriously? We’re living in a movie.
PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
It gets dumber…there was a school shooting today, 3 kids dead, 1 state over from this.
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Almost like the one asking the questions was in on it. I hope they never find them.
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
Does anyone have video of this? (This conversation, not the shooty part) All the news media are quoting this while referring to a video but not showing it.
HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
I watched the close up video and didn’t find it too traumatic especially given all what has been happening in gaza and Ukraine
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
I saw it uninentionally and it was horrifying. It’s always horrifying to see such a thing, no matter who it is.
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
Meh, /b/ broke me a long time ago
iii@mander.xyz 6 months ago
You’re desensitized to violence. Not something to be proud of or encourage 😟
HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
Do you say the same to those supporting Israel’s germicide in Gaza? Or ruzzias slaughtering and rapping in Ukraine? Or the children being blasted away in schools across the us on a daily basis?
pivot_root@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I had the same experience. It’s regrettable how desensitized to violence I am these days.
AFallingAnvil@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
They’re /very/ intertwined. I don’t recommend looking for it unless you want trauma
gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Yeah, like less than a second after he says violence is a sudden and absurd amount of gore
Assassassin@lemmy.world 6 months ago
A full on tarintino, some would say
phoenixarise@lemmy.world 6 months ago
“Gang violence” = racist dog whistle. The assassin couldn’t have picked a more perfect time to fire. 😂
Cruel@programming.dev 6 months ago
I mean, most gang activity comes from young black men, but that does not mean it’s racist to talk about it. I think talking about whether to include or exclude “gang violence” from a conversation about mass shootings is appropriate and not offensive in the slightest.
phoenixarise@lemmy.world 6 months ago
That’s why you just had to go out of your way to point out that gang activity comes from people of color. Thank you for your contribution, goodbye. 🙂
Cruel@programming.dev 6 months ago
“That’s racist.”
“It may involve a race, but it’s not racist.”
“That’s why you said it involved that race!”
Bizarre logic.
Offensive was the wrong word. I meant that it’s not racist. It’s unhealthy that one would be offended by acknowledging the existence of gang violence.
WraithGear@lemmy.world 6 months ago
a dog whistle has nothing to do with the facts but a shared agreement between people in the know as to its hidden meaning.
Cruel@programming.dev 6 months ago
I understand that. I’m saying that there is no hidden meaning. Gang violence is understood on its face by everyone.
Treetrimmer@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
I mean ideally it would’ve been at his time of birth
phoenixarise@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Okay, second-best time. 😂
ceenote@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I always said “You can tell when Charlie Kirk is arguing in bad faith by when his lips are moving and sounds are coming out.”
And it was literally the last thing he ever did.
lastunusedusername2@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
He died doing what he loved
aeronmelon@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Hating.
theneverfox@pawb.social 6 months ago
Lying for money. I hope he saved enough for his family
LillyPip@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
I feel bad for his kids, actually.
They’ll likely be raised to think their father was a martyr, so the poor things (like 1 and 3 years) will likely grow up in the alt-right-o-sphere where their dad was a martyr to the cause.
That’s very sad. They’ll likely won’t have had a chance.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
I do unironically feel bad for his kids, even if they may grow up better without him they still watched their dad get ganked in public. Note they were with him at the time.
jimmux@programming.dev 6 months ago
I would actually like to know what he was leading to with that question. Is the implication that gangs have an overrepresentation of trans people? Or that gang violence doesn’t count for some reason?
I guess we’ll never know.
ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
He was obviously arguing that skin colour minorities were doing any shooting that trans Americans weren’t. Because his goal in life was to make people feel like they belonged - by vilifying out groups. And then monetize that shit.
slaacaa@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Just some good old racism
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 6 months ago
our gangs of forcefemme communists are very trans and very violent, yes
WoodScientist@lemmy.world 6 months ago
It was more anti-trans hate mongering. 2 or 3 trans shooters out of 5700 is nothing. If you can whittle down the number of “mass shootings” to just a handful of incidents, can make it seem like trans people are vastly over-represented among school shooters.
_druid@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
The number of trans shooters versus non-trans shooters probably has trans shooters falling comfortably into a margin of error. I can’t do the math, though, I’m no numbersmith.
WoodScientist@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Sure. Even if the raw numbers said that say, trans people are 1% of the population, and 1.5% of shooters, that would still be a meaningless figure. The sample size is too low to make any meaningful conclusion.
But the point is even if you don’t apply statistics, even using the sample we have, trans people are vastly under-represented among shooters. We represent about 1% of the population and 0.1% of shooters. You don’t even need to apply statistics. The numbers on their face show that there is zero evidence that trans people are over-represented.
Now, statistically, I would say that there is insufficient evidence to suggest that the rate of trans shooters is any different from the overall population, higher or lower. But there is less than zero evidence that trans people are over-represented.
The trans shooter myth is simply blood libel.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 6 months ago
It’s a deflection technique. The intention was to not answer or address the question at all, but to shift to another topic he could more easily use to manipulate his audience. If you’ve ever watched him “debate” he was a master of deflection.
jimmux@programming.dev 6 months ago
Now that you mention it, this seems most likely.
pivot_root@lemmy.world 6 months ago
he was a master of deflection.
With words, maybe. With lead, evidently not.
ceenote@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Using one minority as a scapegoat for gun violence wasn’t working, so he was switching to a different minority.
chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
As others mentioned, “gang violence” is generally a euphemism for non white, especially poor, people. I used to listen to Knowledge Fight(stopped after election not because of the boys, but didn’t want to hear Jones gloat) and during several shootings that involved black victims Jones dismissed it as gang violence.
One case I recall was a shooting in a school in GA that he was spinning some other way, until he found out the school was primarily black and the victim (who survived iirc) was black. He then just stated the kid was in a gang with no proof and dismissed the story.
bigfondue@lemmy.world 6 months ago
It’s a common talking point among the right that there aren’t really that many mass shootings in America if you exclude gang violence. Y’know, which is done by and only effects those people
Deme@sopuli.xyz 6 months ago
Pointing out that gangs do a lot of violence is an attempt to shift blame onto the demographic groups which are overrepresented in gangs due to socioeconomic reasons (systemic racism).
abir_v@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Given who he was, probably the latter as a to-him socially acceptable racist dog whistle.
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
acceptable
I bdt he was pretty piseed he had to dog-whistle it.
theacharnian@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
His last word was “violence”.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
If violence isn’t working, you’re not using enough violence.
shot; dies
Narrator:
the violence worked.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 6 months ago
LillyPip@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
This is the best use of this meme I’ve ever seen, bar none.
Make Fascists Afraid Again.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 6 months ago
A sniper with an innate sense of comedic timing?
Klear@quokk.au 6 months ago
I'm guessing shooting at any other point would produce similar results.
LillyPip@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
Yeah, nearly every sentence he uttered could have ended with a bang. 💥
He was like a fascist Wile E Coyote.
sad_detective_man@leminal.space 6 months ago
Maybe he was waiting for Chuck to say a number. But chuck was too slippery. One last owning of the libs, right before he was triggered. 😇
TachyonTele@piefed.social 6 months ago
It's beautiful
ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 6 months ago
It’s poetic.
TachyonTele@piefed.social 6 months ago
And isn't it poetic?
Don't you think?It's like rain on that assholes birthday
It's a free ride when they've already paid
It's the gun shot that you just took to the neck
And who would've thought? It figures
WoodScientist@lemmy.world 6 months ago
He was engaging in hate-mongering right until the end. Just like the Nazi propagandists of the WW2 era, he was spreading a message of a demonized minority group being responsible for countless crimes and social ills. He ran literally the exact same playbook against trans people as the Nazis did against Jews.
I have no more sympathy for him than the Nazi propagandists we hanged at Nuremberg. They’re guilty of the exact same crimes against humanity.