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The CPU speed and ram size is irrelevant in this case, it’s slow because it needs to load ads and sponsored results from internet first
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Submitted 7 months ago by jeze@leminal.space to technology@lemmy.world
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Magnetic_dud@discuss.tchncs.de 7 months ago
Blaster_M@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Interesting, considering I haven’t noticed… and gaming benchmarks have shown a minimal if any difference in gaming performance between Windows, stripped down Windows, and Linux. You’d have to split hairs to find it.
thequantumcog@lemmy.world 7 months ago
You notice it on old hardware. On my Latitude e6220 (i3 2nd gen) there is a night and day performance difference between windows 10 and Linux.
Blaster_M@lemmy.world 7 months ago
As someone with Ivy Bridge hardware that has run Windows 10 amd Ubuntu… I haven’t.
MakePorkGreatAgain@lemmy.basedcount.com 7 months ago
oof an i3 though. modern winOS doesnt like i3’s
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
That’s why it’s considered, you know, old?
catloaf@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Yeah, I’m currently upgrading our fleet of Windows 10 PCs at work to 11. I haven’t noticed a significant difference either. Nor at home on my desktop or laptop. I think this guy might be affected by a driver bug or something.
Evilcoleslaw@lemmy.world 7 months ago
The only time I’ve ever noticed a substantial difference is when enabling Windows’ Virtualization-based security on hardware without support for things like MBEC/GMET.
CannedTuna@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Idk man. I have a brand new laptop my work got me and I notice it. Windows is just plain bad now. It’s like I go to save a file and the file browser window opens and I’m stuck sitting there waiting for minutes. It’s like I’m suddenly 10 again when you’d turn on your pc, go make breakfast, come back and hope your PC finished booting. Does it both on my work laptop running 11 and my PC at home running 10.
Blaster_M@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Your work laptop may have company spyware on it. That will drag down the performance of the system, especially if it is monitoring absolutely everything.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
That happens for me only if my network drives are not properly connected. Windows will absolutely take you on that until it’s connected or times out.
Your only way out is to crash explorer.exe
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 7 months ago
It’s the UI he’s complaining about.
kadu@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I disagree - Linux actually tanks GPU performance if you’re VRAM limited. It’s extremely unfortunate, as many games now have atrocious VRAM usage for no particular reason.
If you’re not limited though, you’re absolutely right, the difference is minimal and generally within margin of error. Some CPU bound games are better on Linux though, in a measurable way, specially if you’re running bleeding edge distros.
pineapplelover@lemm.ee 7 months ago
A good number of games run better on Linux, I bet it will find it obvious on lower specced machines too. I just saw this video today and on Linux, it shows a 10 fps boost for most of the games demonstrated.
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Yeah so pretty hard to generalize based on testing one setup. Ask most people with an Nvidia GPU how they like Linux gaming…
lemmylommy@lemmy.world 7 months ago
It was pretty bad in the beginning. I suppose they have improved it.
red@sopuli.xyz 6 months ago
You could have read what the article was about, though.
LucidNightmare@lemmy.world 7 months ago
The way I search on all my Windows devices is:
Install PowerToys.
Install Everything
Install Everything extension for PowerToys Search
Change PowerToys Search to open with Windows key and spacebar
Best search experience I’ve ever had on my Windows machines.
paris@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 months ago
I use Flow Launcher with Everything and love it (both installed via Scoop btw)
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
the way i search on my linux machine currently is using dmenu.
It works, it’s fine, does what i tell it to do. If i don’t feel like typing for it i can add a launch keybind with a one liner to my WM environment. I have one for my terminal for example.
aubertlone@lemmy.world 7 months ago
My guy!
PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Windows 11 exists for the sole purpose of requiring tpm 2.0 in order to boost new PC sales. 10+ year old hardware worked perfectly fine running win 10 and PC manufacturers were steadily losing sales as there was little or no need for organizations to replace what they had. The decision to make that requirement will result in millions of PCs going in the trash.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
Yeah, fuck this planet, let’s fill it the land fills with perfectly usable computers because profits!
-Microsoft, probably
redcalcium@lemmy.institute 7 months ago
windows 11: doesn’t work without tpm 2.0
(some) linux distro: doesn’t work if tpm 2.0 enabled
Maganra@lemmy.world 7 months ago
You can get windows 11 working on non tpm 2.0 systems. It’s a soft requirement that Microsoft enforces with the stock installer but can be bypasses.
pastermil@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Which distro? Now I’m curious.
QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Windows 11 does, just not by default. My HP elitedesk 800 G3 server doesn’t have TPM 2.0 and it’s running 11 fine and without a MS account.
BigTrout75@lemmy.world 7 months ago
When all the innovations are just ads and telemetry, shit is going to slow down.
BombOmOm@lemmy.world 7 months ago
It’s amazing Microsoft has mismanaged their OS so badly that even gaming increasingly makes little sense on the platform. Why spend extra money on hardware just to have your performance stripped away by a bloated Windows?
ABCDE@lemmy.world 7 months ago
The choice of what you can do and play.
pixel@pawb.social 7 months ago
honest to god if I wasn’t a valorant player or looking forward to 2XKO as a fighting game enjoyer I’d likely have made the switch to linux a long time ago, linux stocks are way up (metaphorically speaking) and windows is just like. Fine? I don’t mind windows 11 but I just feel increasingly like I have less reason to be on it.
freebee@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
it could all begin with a dualboot…
tills13@lemmy.world 7 months ago
It’s really not… I use Windows 11 for work (dev) and gaming and it’s fine.
stembolts@programming.dev 7 months ago
Well, your anecdote is certainly more influential to me than listening to a core developer. Plus I want to believe you are right because it feels bad to believe otherwise, so you are obviously correct.
Hmm, guess it sounds silly when I say it that way. I’ll work on it.
Spuddlesv2@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
Yes Windows 11 is small enough that this one dude knows all there is to know about it. It is impossible this (former) core developer is wrong, lying or has an axe to grind.
Llewellyn@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Well, I have the same experience as tills13.
Aux@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Andy Young was never a core Windows developer. He worked for Microsoft, yes, but his experience is in JavaScript, C# and other web technologies, not C/C++ and system level development.
vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 7 months ago
in the time it takes my work windows laptop to get from a login screen to a usable desktop, with the cpu idle, I rebooted and signed in to my linux desktop, and performed a restart. Several times.
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
My win11 laptop is practically instant to boot up
Geth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
I have that behavior as well, but it’s not a Windows issue, it’s all the bloat software that IT installed on it. It’s wild how much it kills this laptop compared to any other PC, not just in login times.
Aux@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Well, I don’t use a laptop, but my desktop boots into usable state in a few seconds. Not sure what your problem is, but it’s most likely between a keyboard and a chair.
Veneroso@lemmy.world 7 months ago
How much ram does it have? 8gb? Genuinely curious. I have a work laptop with 8gb and one with 32…
mPony@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I use Windows 11 for work (dev) and gaming and it’s fine
Not to pile-on, but my work laptop runs Win11 and it randomly hangs for ~5 seconds a few times each day. I’m sure not all of the blame should be put on the OS: the 365 office suite is probably coded for shit as well.
QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Ugh, office 365 for all its fantastic collab features is such a resource hog it’s pathetic. It’s also sad that half the time a file won’t open on first double click. It just … does nothing.
MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 7 months ago
My midrange gaming laptop which I bought a year and a half ago came with it preinstalled and it’s nowhere near this guy’s specs but I honestly have not had any problems either, and the whole rig cost me slightly more than his CPU alone.
melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Maybe he’s just aware and has points of comparison, knows how much better it could be.
QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Have you compared it to any other OS though? My 2013 MacBook Air is faster (as in in daily usability, opening windows, closing apps, etc) than my 2023 Thinkpad running Win11. That’s not good performance.
nexguy@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Lightning fast for me but I’ll shut up about it .
poopkins@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I absolutely love Windows with the Linux subsystem. Coming from Mac it’s genuinely terrific to not have to mess around with homebrew. Incredible to see how Windows came from being comically inferior to surpassing Apple as there has been absolutely no progression there in the last decade.
apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 7 months ago
This 16-bit looking shit ad that I didn’t ask for and can’t remove unless I choose yes or no was the last straw for me. Baking Language Model AI (Copilot) is nothing I want, just like I didn’t want Cortana, or Edge. Or the dark pattern requests to consider edge. Nor the new Windows setup screen that sometimes occurs after an update which is just a sly way of shoving another option to make Edge my default browser again.
I’ve moved my laptop to Linux around December. Now I’m going to move my gaming PC over to Linux. I’m just done.
mlg@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Allegedly, the windows kernel scheduler was superior to Linux’s CFS scheduler in certain select metrics.
Except it didn’t matter anyway because all of the UWP apps were so crappily made and Microsoft forgot to hire actual devs for their UI so everything lagged and loaded slow.
Oh and it turns out the windows scheduler also handled multi core pretty poorly so people with new hardware suffered performance losses.
And Linux upgraded to the EEVDF scheduler which AFAIK makes it even better than before.
TropicalMustafa@lemmy.ml 7 months ago
Start menu is kinda useless, I mostly use it for my pinned items.
Try to switch desktops with 2 different hi res wallpapers, peak Windows performance.
eth0p@iusearchlinux.fyi 7 months ago
I have a 7950X, a pile of RAM, and an unfairly expensive RTX 4000-series GPU. The cursor occasionally hitches for ~400ms whenever doing things like opening task manager or resuming from the lock screen, so that checks out unfortunately.
OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 7 months ago
one user noted, going to Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Desktop and changing MenuShowDelay from the default 400 to 0.
If that variable means what I think it means, how on earth was it ever allowed?
SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
This is what I’ve been saying for years. Windows 11 is a big step backwards for performance.
I have a beefy laptop with W11 and a Ryzen 9 5900HX and 32GB RAM and a high end SSD, but the start menu takes up to a full second to open, the File manager takes 2-3 seconds to open and 1 second to “work on” the directory I entered, task manager takes like 5 seconds now, and sometimes my CPU randomly spikes to 80+ degrees C while the desktop is idle.
On Ubuntu (not known for being lightweight, quite the contrary in the Linux world), there is extremely minimal lag and basic system functions are near instant. I’d use it more if the WiFi was more reliable (my average packet loss is 39% in some frequently visited areas where Windows doesn’t struggle at all)
Also, for work I used a W10 desktop with a i7-8700K CPU and random SSD, and nothing in the OS lagged or was unresponsive. File manager was nearly instant, even when the system was hit with significant load elsewhere.
Madnessx9@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I would love to swap to Linux if I could play all my games without having to dual boot etc. Steam have done wonders with the proton compatability on steamdeck so there is hope but a lot of my hardware also requires software that is windows only too.
It might be a stupid comment I’m no Linux expert, but looking forward to the steamOS coming out for PC.
wolf@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
Don’t worry, while you are waiting for Windows to react to your input, you can enjoy watching some ads in the future(1)! :-)
lemmytellyousomething@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
It’s incredible how the startup performance of EventViewer is as bad as it was 15 years ago…
daniskarma@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Reason number #99 to make the switch to linux.
Stern@lemmy.world 7 months ago
The trend continues. 11 trash, 10 decent (with a little work tbh), 8 trash, 7 decent, vista trash, xp decent…
lemmyingly@lemm.ee 7 months ago
I’m impressed at the balanced conversations in this submission. People who are both for and against Windows and Linux. As I remember, it felt like everyone was heavily biased towards Linux and hated everything about Windows 6 months ago.
jordanlund@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I guess I’m biased because I’ve been using Windows since when it was TRULY awful. (386/3.1/3.11)
This looks like a normal corporate video, but it goes OFF THE RAILS at the 7 minute mark.
Win 11 hasn’t really given me problems.
CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
The plan for me is to go full-time Linux once I’m forced to move off Win10. I already use it a lot but I’m waiting on a few holdouts.
sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
It’s true. My new windows laptop crashes, lags, and constantly blasts the fan. My older Linux laptop does none of those things even under greater workloads.
OfficerBribe@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Looks more like a bug than performance problem. Anyways start menu search has felt worse ever since Windows 8. For the most part it works, but occasionally you get random issues like these.
Things like PowerToys Run offer a much better search experience.
doriancodes@infosec.pub 7 months ago
This. I just can’t understand how people stick to Windows. Microsoft clearly doesn’t care about its customers, same goes for Apple.
BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Yawn.
Muffi@programming.dev 7 months ago
Switching to Pop!_OS on a system running a 3090 gave me a significant performance increase. This comes as no surprise.
penquin@lemm.ee 7 months ago
No shit!!! We all can see it. I have a laptop that I had install windows on because Nvidia sucked on Linux. So, I tried 11 and it was godawful. Laptop is pretty beefy actually. Shit lags everywhere
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Isnt this how theyve done things since 95? Every other version is trash so they should be coming out with one that isnt.
Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 7 months ago
You can’t even put a toolbar on the taskbar. Wtf
Sanctus@lemmy.world 7 months ago
None of you read the article. His complaint pertains to the Start Menu, which I agree is atrocious. Mine never indexes Steam. If you wanted to compare this to alternatives you’d have to look at Mac’s Spotlight, or the Linux tools dmenu or rofi. Dmenu and rofi kick the shit out of Window’s Start Menu for my use cases. I want you to find my applications, that’s it. The Start Menu consistently jumbles settings, web searches, and shit I don’t want (why does searching User Accounts not bring up User Accounts to the fucken top?) It is comically bad, but its not talking about fucken gaming performance.
micka190@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Pretty much everything related to the
explorer.exeprocess is needlessly slow on Windows 11. On my work machine, the file explorer will take 2-3 seconds to load after I open it, and that’s with only a C:/ drive (i.e. no network shares to slow it down or anything else).infeeeee@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Start menu was separated from explorer.exe since 8 or 10, it’s called StartMenuExperienceHost.exe nowadays. Taskbar is also a separate process since 11. It also means that they can freeze separately
Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 7 months ago
The worst part is that it worked fine on Windows 7. You could hit start > type the first 3-4 letters > enter and be able to open any program or OS setting in under a second. They somehow fucked it up with 8 and still haven’t fixed it over a decade later.
mamotromico@lemmy.ml 7 months ago
Base windows 8 still had a very performant search, though a bit worse than 7. 8.1 is where it got truly fucked up.
rigatti@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Seriously, searching for anything on your PC is completely useless.
greybeard@lemmy.one 7 months ago
An FYI for Windows users, check out Everything for searching your harddrive. It is insanely fast. Like, search your entire harddrive in real time as you press the letters fast. Compared to the crap Windows has built in, it feels like magic, until you realize that searching a database at fast speeds has been a solved problem for decades and yet Microsoft still continues to struggle because they want to throw in every possible piece of metadata and contents every time you search when most people just want to type a name in.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I went back to windows for a few months after running linux as my daily driver for years. It was a jarring experience just how bad the basic user experience was. Everything seemed like an attempt at shoving some kind of advert-ainment down my throw when I was just looking for a basic program or file.
I don’t understand how an advertising system like this is acceptable for buisnesses? Like if I’m a business and providing work machines to my employees, you sure af aren’t going to be making money off my employees, with the machines and electricity I paid for.
It still seems like the “killer app” keeping everyone one Microsoft is Office, and maybe a handful of other proprietary pieces of software.
ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com 7 months ago
Yeah…First thing I do in setting up a new Windows PC is install Everything to get instant indexed search.
Valmond@lemmy.world 7 months ago
The whole ecosystem sucks power and time close to abusive levels though, so adding this…
Fairly often when I right click on an item I get the spinning blue wheel for 20-40 seconds. Open the shell (installed with git) always 40 seconds spinning wheel. I’m using another soft to get around it.
Yeah I fucking timed it and it is most often 40 (!) seconds. Work PC so I havent installed cryptohacker.exe on it or something. Launch any soft and it crawls from the SSD to main memory.
Just saying many problems stem from the inbuilt unsecurity and hence the crazy checks to “protect you”.
Pfff.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
Can’t confirm the waiting time.
My Ryzen 7800X3D and nvidia 3070 based PC is snappy and quick to respond (if I am not running anything intensive in the background.
My (i believe) i5 8600 in my work laptop (HP Elitebook 850 G5) is not as fast but once everything is up is usually quite responsive (1-2 chrome windows with multiple tabs, Teams, Outlook, OneNote, 2 different Remote Tools and some other programs I happen to run).
I believe you have a slow af or broken SSD that’s slowing you down. Better check with something like CrystalDisk.
QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 7 months ago
It isn’t start. It’s Window’s search. It’s been shit forever. I can search for the exact file name and still not get it as a result. In the meantime iOS (or Android) can find it before I’ve typed the entire file name in. It’s embarrassing.
Sanctus@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Its start, the article is 100% about the design of the new start menu and how it is now designed to distract you.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
Ah. Short for “fuckeng”, but I think they renamed it Balljang a few decades ago.
I thought that was short for “fucking”, but “en” isn’t how we do that.
quinkin@lemmy.world 7 months ago
It is how some of us do that
SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
I found out that if you download PowerToys one of the toys is a better start menu that runs 4x faster and without the web crap. I use it more than the actual start menu now.
MonkderDritte@feddit.de 7 months ago
Indexer was a pain point if Windows since forever. Although there are so much open source tools around doing it better…
Kekin@lemy.lol 6 months ago
My favorite part is how virtual desktops and switching between them works perfectly on Windows 10, and even on KDE it works well and smooth, but on Windows 11 somehow they made it slower and glitchy. It was probably better when it didn’t even have an animation when switching.
FrostKing@lemmy.world 7 months ago
The spotlight-like search from Windows Power toys is far better, they should just make it the default