For being so smart, we are so dumb
Venus by Tuesday
Submitted 10 months ago by TokenBoomer@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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snekerpimp@lemmy.world 10 months ago
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Huge difference between raw intellectual capacity and trained utility.
You can have a 10 gallon bucket, but it’ll only carry that much water if you fill it.
Kingofthezyx@lemm.ee 9 months ago
We think we are smart enough to get away with it.
Doombot1@lemmy.one 9 months ago
The solution to global warming, then, is clearly to just set up a massive ring of fans all pointed in the same direction in a ring around the North Pole, to keep the jet stream going
Revan343@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
Not the worst geoengineering idea.
Not a good idea, but I’ve heard worse
Doombot1@lemmy.one 9 months ago
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 9 months ago
This will also fix the wind turbines using up the all the wind!
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 9 months ago
We should point those fans at the wind turbines so we can at least gather the power from fans! Why waste it!
theUnlikely@sopuli.xyz 9 months ago
Finally a solution! Now what to do about the turbines murdering whales?
JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I am in love with the elegance of this idea that would not work even a little bit. Occam, eat your heart out.
Iampossiblyatwork@lemmy.world 9 months ago
climate.gov/…/understanding-arctic-polar-vortex
As of 2021 the science was not settled on the ice loss as a cause or an affect. This article goes into both theories.
MajorHavoc@programming.dev 9 months ago
That’s a bit like the investigation into whether lethal bear attacks are because of their teeth or their claws - probably really interesting, but not critical to the question of avoiding the bear.
Iampossiblyatwork@lemmy.world 9 months ago
This made me laugh.
Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 9 months ago
But a fair point when someone says it’s due to one as part of their argument
Krauerking@lemy.lol 9 months ago
Interesting. I would love to work on that kind of data model, as there is an interesting thing to point out with the movement of the polar vortex:
It dips further south to follow along land mass.I wonder if the wind currents have an easier time maintaining speed along flat surfaces or if the water being warmer causes pockets of higher pressure further north than usual pushing the vortex to be more unstable looking.
It feels like it makes sense that the current would be much more stable along a surface that is more consistent and thus loss of ice smoothing the surface would cause it to wobble but inertia still remains the same meaning it needs to push down elsewhere where there is less resistance.
So I would lean towards ice loss as a cause of changing polar vortex stability but I kinda gave up that ability to do anything about this or study such things a while ago.
Slovene@feddit.nl 9 months ago
I was led to believe it’s both. Global warming causes ice loss which contributes to global warming which causes more ice loss …
trackcharlie@lemmynsfw.com 9 months ago
You can’t use logic with these people, they’ll try to burn you for being a witch.
LWD@lemm.ee 9 months ago
[deleted]CADmonkey@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I thought that was called sealioning?
I’m afraid I don’t have a wall of links to support my argument.
Jumi@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Don’t worry, the Earth will heal >!once we’re gone!<
OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip 9 months ago
If those people could read they’d be very upset.
DTFpanda@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Yeah I’ve actually lost faith in 100% of folks in 2024 who still think it’s a scam. I used to think it was just boomers, it’s not. Every climate change related post from NASA on their social media accounts is literally full of young people making fun of them for ‘lying to the public’ and how it’s all a hoax. There’s no depth to these people, we truly live in a society full of complete morons who will believe in a conspiracy theory because of a 5 minute badly edited YouTube video, but refuse to trust anything that is widely accepted in the scientific community because of their need to feel important, intelligent, and ‘in’ on something that the rest of the world isn’t in on.
mmagod@lemmy.world 9 months ago
the fellow students in school growing up that always blew off paying attention in school and disrupting class didn’t just disappear… sure i saw less of them when i wasn’t confined to those public grade school walls, but it’s been a harsh realization for me as I’m seeing them again as adults buying into and spreading the misinformation.
LillyPip@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
I just hope we’re not seeing the start of a shutdown of the North Atlantic current, which is likely what led to the Younger Dryas ice age, which marked a dramatic climate shift and widespread extinction event over just a couple of decades:
The change was relatively sudden, took place over decades, and resulted in a decline of temperatures in Greenland by 4–10 °C (7.2–18 °F),[4] and advances of glaciers and drier conditions over much of the temperate Northern Hemisphere. A number of theories have been put forward about the cause, and the hypothesis historically most supported by scientists is that the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation, which transports warm water from the Equator towards the North Pole, was interrupted by an influx of fresh, cold water from North America into the Atlantic.
Right now, it’s looking like that may have already started. If that’s the case, things will become very hot and then abruptly freeze, not over the course of a century, but virtually overnight.
CADmonkey@lemmy.world 9 months ago
The thing I keep thinking about, and I feel like I’ve never been able to properly communicate, is that the machines our society runs on are built to run in a certain temperature range.
The 2021 texas winter fiasco was a perfect demonstration of what happens when we try to run a society’s machinery outside of it’s expected temperature range. Yes, the ERCOT goofballs were trying to save money by narrowing that expected operating range because “It never gets that cold” and “It never gets that hot”, but my badly articulated point still stands - a system was made to operate in a temperature range outside of it’s capability, and it started to fail. They were minutes away from losing very expensive and hard to replace equipment. What we don’t want is for one of the more competently-run power grids in the world to start to buckle due to temperatures, because the same thing that happened in texas could happen on a larger scale.
And that’s just talking about the power grid. Anything with a heat exchanger in it, including your car and air conditioner and all the refrigeration that is needed to keep everyone fed, is designed to run in a certain temperature range, and will stop working if you run it outside of that range for too long.
But wait, we can just design stuff to run in a wider temperature range! We certainly can. But we would have to redesign everything that moves heat around.
Lennnny@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Holy shit I’ve never considered this until now. Survival skills intensify…
Obi@sopuli.xyz 9 months ago
When you stop and actually think about our situation you realise how thin our operating margins are, we are at the mercy of whatever the planet does and our safety is subject to immediate dismissal should the conditions change. Worse of course are the random cosmic whims which could wipe us out instantly at any time e.g. comets, the sun going weird, etc.
PotjiePig@lemmynsfw.com 9 months ago
It’s a thought that gives me comfort that we, as a species, will be evicted before we can do irreparable damage so that life can continue to evolve without us.
TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 9 months ago
The Day After Tomorrow.
LillyPip@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
Basically, yeah.
psud@lemmy.world 9 months ago
The day after tomorrow was related, but relied on a no longer mainstream idea that the Arctic vortex could become a whole northern hemisphere storm, so big it would liquify nitrogen in its central low
We really hope that’s not a thing that can happen. It would render most of the northern hemisphere dead
slingstone@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Is there any resource for forecasting what will likely occur in a given area? I don’t see how we can stop climate change now, so I want to prepare my family for it.
LillyPip@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
Not that I’m aware of. From what I understand, that scenario would affect the entire planet.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Earth’s just gotta drink more if its stream is weak. I mean that’s what I do
Slovene@feddit.nl 9 months ago
We should also pour cranberry juice into the ocean.
LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 9 months ago
OMG does our jet stream pass through a UTI too??
mechoman444@lemmy.world 9 months ago
HEY!!! Get your science and facts out of here!
Places fingers in ears and closes eyeslaalalalalalalalBigDiction@lemmy.world 9 months ago
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 9 months ago
What, are you saying a website called X where I can easily share both amateur porn, shitpost, and fight with other keyboard warriors isn’t a solid source for factual information? smh what are you talking about
Next you’re going to tell me that drinking diesel fuel is bad for my longevity or something.
ThousandLevel@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Send this to the top, folks
SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 9 months ago
The Xcretion says that less ice “is consistent with” a weaker jet stream, which does not imply a casual relationship. If A causes B and Y, then B is consistent with Y; or, more accurately, we can produce a useful model of the system that includes both less ice and a weaker jet stream, and have it be internally consistent.
pendulum_@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Which is the flaw of social media science these past few years. Theories evolve as new data is presented and new hypotheses are formed. The average twitter denizen won’t have that, no sir, and will with glee smack you with an outdated textbook with equal zeal as a Bible basher.
“FACTS DONT FUGGING CHANGE YOU BIGOT” == “THE WORLD IS ONLY 6,000 YEARS OLD SAYS SO IN THE BIBLE”
SoupBrick@yiffit.net 9 months ago
Y’all ready to be gouged for survival items until money becomes irrelevant?
ComradePorkRoll@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I’ll start writing that play. We won’t even have to splurge on the stage as the wasteland will provide a natural setting.
meyotch@slrpnk.net 9 months ago
Tell us about the before-times again!
starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
Even as the US hits record setting lows, the temperature of the planet as a whole remains above average. If it’s -20°F across the entire US, how hot must the rest of the planet be?
mob@sopuli.xyz 9 months ago
-20F? Where?
starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
That was hyperbole, I don’t know if it’s been -20°F across the entire country at any one time, but there was a couple years ago when we had that big freeze and Texas almost died
But also gets that low in my own city sometimes
psud@lemmy.world 9 months ago
If this were common, it would increase the Earth’s albedo, reducing warning
Patches@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
I hear there is a drug that the earth can take to get its albedo back.
Sagifurius@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Are you a bot or just retarded?
WoahWoah@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I would tell this asshole to shut his stupid mouth, but my teeth froze together. I’ve got one finger left still working. Help me…
And also, it’s usually way colder than this here, and while it’s frigid, I’m fine. Happy even.
Gigan@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Weather is too hot? It’s because of global warming.
Weather too cold? Also global warming.
I’m not denying global warming or climate change, I’m just playing Devil’s advocate to show how a climate denier might view this.
It just looks dumb when they claim that any/all evidence proves their point. Maybe it’s just cold because it’s January? December was very mild where I live and it’s supposed to be unusually warm next week. I suppose that also proves global warming?
SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world 10 months ago
That’s why people moved away from global warming and use climate change.
Yes, overall the earth is warming but that destabilization affects the climate making summers hotter, winters colder, storms stronger etc.
Gigan@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I agree, but the tweet in the OP said warming
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 9 months ago
smh they should have moved to global cooling, then we wouldn’t be in this situation. Next time you are upset about the temperature just know that there were rows of homes just waiting there, but nooooo you had to be equal and give climate change a try. See how that worked out don’tcha?
oehm@midwest.social 10 months ago
Thats why it’s been called climate change for decades now and not global warming.
SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 9 months ago
As a natural pedant, I have to point out that that’s not quite true. Decades ago, people talked about global warming (due to the greenhouse effect) because we feared that it would lead to major climate change.
Then, it led to major climate change. Now we talk about that. Global warming is still a thing, it’s just the effects have upstaged it as a topic.
Gigan@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I agree, but the tweet in the OP said warming
PrinceWith999Enemies@lemmy.world 10 months ago
If this is you playing Devil’s Advocate, then I have to voice my concern that the Devil has retained a lawyer that makes Trump’s attorneys look competent by comparison.
IndiBrony@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Charlotte Richards was a good lawyer!
spoiler
And I wholeheartedly love anyone who gets that ❤️
Perfide@reddthat.com 9 months ago
Weather is too hot? It’s because of global warming.
Weather too cold? Also global warming.
Literally yes. It’s not our fault if people are too stupid to realize weather =! climate, are too skeptical to trust the science. Regardless of whether people believe it, it’s literally the facts of the matter that global warming is the cause of these extreme weather events.
I’m really confused what your point is. Climate change deniers looking at objective facts and rejecting them because they can’t comprehend a warmer climate could cause colder weather means they are fucking stupid, not that the facts are wrong. We don’t need to play advocate for dumbassery
Maybe it’s just cold because it’s January?
January had been super mild near me, average lows in the 30s with actual average being like 50, up until this past week when the cold front came in from the north and literally overnight temps dropped to the negatives. I was closely monitoring weather radars this week, I literally watched the cold front coming in… and look at that, the cold front has finally mostly passed over me and it’s once again in the comparatively balmy 30s, and supposed to be even warmer next week. Huh, guess it’s not just because it’s January, who knew?
The whole winter has been super mild actually, besides literally this weeks cold front it’s been warmer on average than it would’ve been in early Autumn here 15ish years ago. We used to frequently get the first blizzard of the year in October, now it takes an abnormal cold front coming down from the literal arctic to even get a blizzard at all, in January! That’s fucking alarming.
Sticky@lemmy.world 9 months ago
You’re getting downvoted to oblivion, but I do see and agree with your point: “Branding matters”
A significant portion of the population will not rub two brain cells together to understand the “warming -> change” connection, as reasonable as it is. Same thing with the “defund the police” slogan. Yes, when you understand the concept you can see the meaning, but for those that don’t bother to understand the concept, the “brand name” is the beginning and the end of thought applied. When the “brand name” is easily attackable, the idea is dead so far as they’re concerned.
As frustrating as it is, persuasive arguments need to also appeal to those who are persuaded by quips and jokes as well as those who are persuaded by logic and reason. Unfortunately “Global Warming”, the “old brand” is still sticking around, and still able to be joked away by many people, hence the reason for the image post in the first place.
crapwittyname@lemm.ee 9 months ago
The problem with that position is that it’s anti-scientific. If someone is scientifically illiterate then their opinion doesn’t count anymore than my opinion on the supremacy of reading Tolstoy in the original Russian. I can’t read Russian so it doesn’t matter what I say. If, however, the majority of bilingual Russian/English speakers tell me that the best way to enjoy War and Peace is to learn Russian, I will believe them, even if I don’t bother taking the time to learn that language.
Nei@lemmy.world 9 months ago
New next level science unlocked.
CADmonkey@lemmy.world 9 months ago
The titty of the polar vortex sags ever southward.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 9 months ago
So that’s why that is
JustinAngel@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I’m a climate idiot. Does this somehow relate to ice ages, I wonder?
thecookingsenpai@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Not even a shitpost
obinice@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Great, but what is the “Great Plains” and how is it affecting me?
EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 9 months ago
Al Gore and many others said there wouldn’t be any ice at all in the polar regions by 2013.
Obviously climate change it happening, but the computer models they keep showing have been proven to be bullshit over and over.
Outtatime@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
Yep that’s a shit post alright
Quexotic@infosec.pub 9 months ago
Funny that this post would show up next to this one: lemmy.world/post/10902481
Sagifurius@lemm.ee 9 months ago
“let’s pretend we don’t understand La Nina and El Nino during this cyclical winter to push our current agenda. Anyone says “WTF” we brand as a science denier.”
Tristaniopsis@aussie.zone 9 months ago
Ahem…. Shouldn’t that be ‘fewer’ ice?
(JK)
Sagifurius@lemm.ee 9 months ago
I mean, I’m really doubtful when this is what used be considered a normal winter.
MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 9 months ago
superpants@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Seems too simplistic
6buck6satan6@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Too many people do not understand the difference between weather and climate.
Sagifurius@lemm.ee 9 months ago
And often, the people who laugh at “boomers” saying shit like “What global warming?” in weather events like this, don’t acknowledge or comprehend they’re doing the same damn thing form the opposite perspective.