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Internet providers say the FCC should not investigate broadband prices

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Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨kinther@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/11/internet-providers-say-the-fcc-should-not-investigate-broadband-prices/

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  • SARGEx117@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    “we’re not doing illegal, and no you can’t check.”

    -People doing illegal things

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    • Rin@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      you’re OK with having all your messages read by the government?

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      • 4am@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Quite a jump from “prices should be fair, monopoly power bad” to “LITERALLY 1984” but ok convince yourself you’re making a coherent argument 🤷‍♂️

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      • halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        We already know they do that. If they can’t directly for any legal reason that they don’t want to admit violating, they’ll just have one of our allies do it for them via their foreign intelligence sevices. Snowden gave us the proof of that a decade ago.

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      • Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Neither private companies nor the government should be collecting data about citizens without probable cause and due process.

        That could all be codified into the regulations that classify internet as a public infrastructure service.

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      • Gregorech@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        How is this different than another time?

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      • SupraMario@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        You do realize they have a law that requires the phone companies to run a phone line no matter where you build in the USA right? Requiring the ISPs to uphold stipulations like this is a good thing.

        Also, NSA…

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  • ZeroCool@feddit.ch ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Internet providers say the FCC should not investigate broadband prices

    And that’s exactly why broadband prices should be investigated.

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    • TryingToEscapeTarkov@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yeah they should do it even harder and faster now. Now I’m horny.

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      • root_beer@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Deeper, even

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      • altima_neo@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Let’s all do the “Comcast”!

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  • Rememo@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Make internet access a utility and be done with it.

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    • QuarterSwede@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Seriously. Why is this taking so long!? It’s painfully obvious!

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      • SupraMario@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Because the ISPs don’t want to have to do what we made them do for phone lines. Even though the trillion dollars we have given them over the last 30 years should have come with that stipulation…but they took that money and bought our politicians with it.

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      • Asafum@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I $$$$ honestly $$$$ have $$$$ not $$$$ a $$$$ single $$$$ idea $$$$ why $$$$ either.

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    • bitwolf@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It was until Ajit Pai removed the classification 😤

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  • lunarul@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    In my native country gigabit fiber internet is less than $9/mo. Broadband prices in the US are absolutely ridiculous.

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    • Otkaz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Good God I pay 90 a month for 1 gig fiber. What county are you in?

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      • AlecSadler@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I pay $500, lol

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      • AirlineF0od@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I pay 99.95 a month for 50 megs gotta love the local phone cmpny

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      • lunarul@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        That’s Romania. But I live in the US now.

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      • ichbinjasokreativ@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I pay 40€ a month for 250 MBit in Germany :(

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    • CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      50€ for 1000/1000 here. My employer covers it.

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      • burliman@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I pay $110 for 2000/2000 fiber. In the US.

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      • themurphy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        46€ for the same here.

        30€ if I can do with 1000/100 instead, which most people could.

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      • Valmond@lemmy.mindoki.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        30€/m for 2x2.5Gb

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      • Huschke@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        49€ here, but yeah about 1/10 of the price in some US states is insane.

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    • CaptPretentious@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I pay Comcast $130 for 1000/35

      Just Internet, no bundles.

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      • vox@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        you can get the same internet speed for like 10$ in Ukraine

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    • Quexotic@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Not to defend those shitbags, but population density plays a large part in infrastructure cost. source

      Granted, they’ve alco received enormous subsidies without intending to fulfill their obligations, but still, it’s a significant factor. This country is quite large. I can drive 4h in nearly any direction and still be in state lines. Most of that is farm land.

      This is one of the reasons why this should be nationalized because rural areas are still either unserved or underserved by broadband because the cost/benefit analysis doesn’t favor the provider enough.

      That said, prices are higher than they should be even taking density into account (strictly my opinion). Gigabit fiber should actually be about $15/mo for all regions, (my SWAG*) but the infrastructure just is not there yet. The biggest challenge being the “last mile”.

      *Sophisticated wild-ass guess

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      • automattable@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Don’t let them tell you it’s the lack of density that is the problem. I live in a major US city with high density, and there is only one provider that offers actual broadband at my address (~$100/mo for 500Mb/s service). The “competition” wants me to pay $50/mo for 20 Megabit DSL.

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  • ilinamorato@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    My three year old often says “Dad don’t look!” When he does that, I know for a fact he’s doing something he shouldn’t be doing.

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  • magnetosphere@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The title alone is a great reason to investigate broadband prices.

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  • xyguy@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Good thing broadband providers have such a stellar track record of nothing but honorable and consumer-benefiting behavior. I see no reason that we can’t just trust that they have our best interests at heart.

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  • Treczoks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If any business tells the government that it should not look to closely into it’s practices, then you know that there is something that needs to be brought to the light and corrected.

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    • Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s like a teenager telling their mom she doesn’t need to check the browser history

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  • ohlaph@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Criminal doesn’t want to be investigated.

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  • Buddahriffic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I agree, the FCC shouldn’t waste time investigating broadband prices. Just nationalize them. And the rest of infrastructure.

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  • jmd_akbar@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yup. Totally not a suspicious thing to say…

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  • HawlSera@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Serial killers say the FBI should stay out of their dark mysterious shed

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    • Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      What about bathrooms, are those still safe?

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      • HawlSera@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        If he’s a white cisgender conservative male? Probably not.

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  • uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    According to Marx, the capitalist will always dismiss all other concerns than their own gain, and will lie and murder for their ill-gotten gains.

    The 21st century teems of examples

    This week’s Behind the Bastards (about the capture of Christianity by capitalism) tells about the _exact same thing in the 1930s and 1940s (parallel with the rise of fascism). The same give us all the money push was happening tgen as now, only now the campaign is bigger.

    Fuck these guys. They’re no better than nineteenth century railroad tycoons

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    • Excrubulent@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yeah, same podcast made the point in their episodes about the Hawk’s Nest Tunnel Project, and how this is recent history even though it sounds like some medieval horror story. These fucks haven’t changed, and the same company that profited off that brutality is still around and still making money hand over fist and never reckoned with their crimes.

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      • Quexotic@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I say that if corporations have the benefits of personhood, they should also have the responsibilities and liabilities of a personhood. Kill 5 people due to clear negligence? Company comes under government control (prison) for the same amount of time as a regular person would for the same crime.

        Kill hundreds? The company is dissolved and the responsible people are jailed.

        Oh, and companies are represented by a random public defender from that jurisdiction.

        That’d get some things fixed real quick.

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    • Rooskie91@discuss.online ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      They’re no better than nineteenth century railroad tycoons

      It literally the same people or their descendants in most cases.

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  • db2@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    “We promise not to eat any more faces,” said a spokeswolf for the Wolves Eating Faces Corporation.

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  • RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Pay no attention to the piles of money behind the curtain!

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  • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’ve been a big fan of my internet provider for not playing these games, until this year. Them: “ you owe more every month”, me: “you’re raising prices?”, them: “no, prices remain the same and you can continue on your existing plan, but you need to pay more”

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    • Quexotic@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Exactly the reason I have 2 coax cables running into my house. I just switch each time they pull this shit. I own all my own hardware so it’s no big deal.

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  • LazaroFilm@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Don’t try that Jedi shit on me it doesn’t work.

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    • capt_wolf@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Image

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      • Excrubulent@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Oh god the wipe transitions. I remember when the original trilogy was being remade into… I think the Gold version? I watched bts stuff and George was explaining how they’d added wipes to the scene transitions. Like, cool new CGI and all, but maybe adding wipes over the entire thing is kind of taking the piss.

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  • rebul@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    "Trust me, the cheese is fine"- Mouse assigned to guard the cheese

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  • crypticthree@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    shocking

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  • buzz86us@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    🤣🤣😅😅😅🤣🤣🤣 Not biased at all. I have a $20 price lock on spectrum ATM, but as soon as that ends I’m going to say goodbye and get 5G because I’m not paying $50 for fixed internet they have a monopoly in the area I’ve moved to.

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  • Joe-Blow240@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Methinks the corporation doth protest too much.

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  • mojo@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I say the same thing to the police about my drugs

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  • Kata1yst@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    https://media.tenor.com/2AES1Szq_hMAAAAC/oh-jeez-thats-terrible-cable-company-worker.gif

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  • autotldr@lemmings.world [bot] ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:

    In 2021, Congress required the Federal Communications Commission to issue rules “preventing digital discrimination of access based on income level, race, ethnicity, color, religion, or national origin” within two years.

    FCC Chairwoman Jessica Rosenworcel last month released her draft plan to comply with the congressional mandate and scheduled a November 15 commission vote on adopting final rules.

    Carr described Rosenworcel’s proposal as “President Biden’s plan to give the administrative state effective control of all Internet services and infrastructure in the US.”

    In a meeting with Rosenworcel’s staff, cable company executives “stated that the Draft Order would impose overbroad liability standards that impede further broadband investment and are legally vulnerable by adopting a disparate impact rather than a disparate treatment liability approach,” according to an ex parte filing submitted yesterday by cable lobby group NCTA-The Internet & Television Association.

    The cable companies said the FCC "should define digital discrimination as disparate treatment and should limit the standard to policies and practices involving the deployment of broadband network facilities.

    “Commission evaluation of price is unnecessary in the competitive wireless marketplace and may deter offering discounts and enticements to switch providers that consumers enjoy today.”

    The original article contains 688 words, the summary contains 192 words. Saved 72%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

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    • 4am@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      🪓🪓🪓Just one small problem, Ben! Switch providers to who? Fucking Aquaman?!?

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  • vortexal@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4BbxV3iJg8

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