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New evidence confirms COVID-19 vaccines are overwhelmingly safe::More than 38 million COVID-19 vaccine doses have been administered in Ontario as of Oct. 8, with 23,002 reports of adverse reactions, an incidence of 0.06 per cent, Public Health Ontario says
Okay, if you say so, because I died six months after getting the first one like they said I would. Now I’m a magnetic 5G zombie.
What brand of vaccine did you get? I definitely get the 5G orders from George Soros and such (pretty standard stuff), and I was already dead inside before the jab, but I didn’t get any magnetism.
I got whichever one is most convenient to me winning the discussion about how vaccines are bad and give you 100 autisms.
You should get a refund then, im so magnetic it’s not funny.
How’s your reception?
Being a zombie, I no longer need a phone. But my Bill Gates microchip ensures good reception for all around me whose brains I am not eating.
Did 99% of the population also die? I must have missed that.
That 99% lived in Canada and went to a different school. They were supermodels. You didn’t know them.
Seriously, I don’t know why this is news.
Wait, yes I do, half the population is stupid.
Well, about 33%.
Something something think about how dumb the average person is.
There was a 50/50 split in the US Senate when the vaccine came out. Every member of that group was vaccinated. They were the first members of the population to be vaccinated. If any of the ancient senators had died, the balance of power would have shifted in a huge way.
Now there’s a great premise for a sci-fi, like something Dick would write
Amazing what all the efficacy and safety studies said before is still true. It was true before, but now it’s also true.
They’re not safe. They’re 0.06% harmful. That number is probably a lie too, in reality with all the cover ups and bad incentives the number could be as high as 0.1% harmful, that mean 40% of cases were covered up or hidden. And they don’t even clearly define what harmful is. How many of those 0.1% had mild head aches or nausea? Everyone is stupid but me.
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I usually tell people that it’s safer than birth control. 1 in 1000 women experience sever complications from birth control, and we hand that stuff put like candy.
Florida Surgeon general put out an official statement recommending against vaccination, they’re killing the people who elected them
Can’t get voted out if nobody’s left to vote. taps forehead
You mean ALL the republicans were lying this whole time? I am shocked! SHOCKED I say.
Guys the reason this study is important is because covid vaccines used revolutionary technology, they were the first to use mRNA based protein. If you remember we sequenced its genome within 40 days the making the vaccine was considerably easy. This is the main reason it took only 2 years for the vaccine to be made compared to years of development for other vaccines.
It also means that, with this new vaccine technology, we can develop vaccines faster and faster
Let’s start the turbo-vaccine-printing-machine!
What’s the point of this? The people who already believe the vaccine is safe already know it. Those that don’t believe it’s safe aren’t gonna read this OR the report. They’ll claim it’s some sort of propaganda.
It’s important simply to do just for the benefit of science going forward. We need to look at the long term effects of medicines. Usually we do that prior to release. It also protects you from the propoganda. Someone may throw out crazy statistics at you but you’ll have this study in your back pocket so you can be like “yeah it’s crazy” and dismiss don’t debate.
And try not to get too downtrodden with humanity. Not everyone is a too far gone. Some are just a little lost.
Exactly this. What’s annoying is how people twist the process along the way.
For example, with the AstraZeneca vaccine there was this overblown controversy over blood clots. Every time you stick someone with a needle, their blood will clot, and there’s a chance that a chunk of this clot will break off into the blood stream. Sometimes, the thing you’re injecting makes it more likely to happen, and as such we closely monitor new injections to determine whether or not the issue is significant. AstraZeneca (or any other covid vaccine) has been shown to not significantly increase the risk of blood clots over any other injection - but that didn’t stop politicians (eg Boris Johnson in the UK) to parrot on about the handful of people who did develop blood clots as if it were a real issue. Of course, this led to AstraZeneca no longer being offered as a vaccine for many people; instead, Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were used. Wouldn’t you know it, Boris is personally invested in these companies. He shooed away the non-profit vaccine in favour of the for profit pharmaceutical mega-corporations that pay him dividends. And, of course, his statements actually reduced the uptake of vaccines in general.
Yeah, given how quickly alot of these were rushed out, due to the emergency we were in, there really should be follow-up research to prove their safety and efficacy. If only to provide additional evidence to anti-vaxxers who will argue against it. Even if the threat of Covid is seemingly behind us, who’s to say we’re not right back here in the next 5/10/20 years with the next pandemic that comes?
The fact that “believe” is the operating word here is why medical science should be spread.
Misinformation works though. Antivaxer are rentlenless and they are always releasing studies to prove their lies. Combine that with social media algorithms that love controversy and this shit gets deadly.
To put it in perspective, the USA could easily have more people die of covid this year than fentanyl ODs but everyone is acting like the battle is over.
It’s about noise. There needs to be more noise made that the vaccines are safe to protect future generations from falling down the same misinformation rabbit holes.
There are people who will state internet article’s titles as facts. so it’s good to fight misinformation by information.
We always knew/suspected this. But the ones that do the fearmongering around vaccines will not be interested in facts…
Not just that, but a lot of them see it as resistance to authority, even if they don’t think there’s a serious risk. This is inevitably what happens when things get forced and mandates get imposed. It naturally causes people to push back against it.
Yeah, so much of it is just contrarianism. These people think that if they blindly reject everything that comes from an official source that they are substantially different than the people who blindly accept everything that comes from an official source.
I don’t know about you guys but I absolutely love the $5000 that is deposited onto my microchip every month! Helps so much with bills! Thanks Obama!
I’m digging that my 5g service gets upgraded every new dose 😎
Where’s that guy that turned into a Newt?
He got better.
Tom Paris?
WTF, I’m on my first watch of Voyager and saw that episode yesterday.
Just don’t drive really fast afterwards and you’ll be fine.
He got better
I’m right here. Not as bad as you would think.
What about their effectiveness?
I get that the first few versions might have stemmed the tide of the pandemic early on … but how effective are the new doses now?
I’m not an antivacer but I do question the way the pandemic was handled and continues to be handled. I trust scientists, I trust the medical community, I trust our current level of knowledge and expertise … I just don’t trust seeing big corporate interests quietly influencing everything in the background.
I certainly don’t trust anyone or anything that reprimands me or is threatened by my questions or concerns.
I would feel a whole lot better about all this if corporate and financial interests were completely disconnected from all our health care and pharmaceutical systems. Basically, anything that has to do with human bodily health should not be controlled or deeply influenced by monied interests.
Their efficacy has been heavily studied and proven.
versions might have stemmed the tide of the pandemic
This is straight-up weasel language. There is no (rational) question as to whether the vaccines reduced hospitalizations due to COVID-19, or contraction of COVID-19 in general.
corporate and financial interests were completely disconnected from all our health care and pharmaceutical systems
This is not realistic in the slightest. Reasearch requires resources and the time and effort of highly qualified people.
You don’t need to be so agressive.
OP didn’t say that the vaccine didn’t work at first. It’s just that now development has a hard time to keep up with new mutations.
Also, we don’t need multi billion dollar medical corporations to study and create vaccines. This could be done entirely through a government agency or ministry.
I agree with OP about how much we should trust corporations. Their bottom line is to make a profit and they’ll do whatever they can to get there. They cut corners and hide facts to avoid losses.
One such fact that was denied and for which you could get ridiculed was that a certain percentage of the population that received the COVID vaccine had symptoms afterwards that never went away. Like constant headaches and swelling of the brain. Now they explain these to you before you take new doses so that you know the risks. They’re small, but they can happen.
In fact, ever since my last dose in August I’ve had constant headaches myself and I always feel hungover. It’s permanent. There’s nothing anyone can do about it. At this point I wonder if I should have taken it at all considering the I’ve had so the previous shots before. I only took it because I was traveling for a couple weeks and wanted to increase my chances of not getting sick.
I can agree and accept most debates about this and I probably agree with most of what you present. And I am vaxxed with six COVID vaccines at this point and chances are I’ll continue taking them with a lot of skepticism.
The biggest issue I have is corporate control.
I agree that research and development requires money … but that can be achieved through public funds and government programs. What do think is cheaper? Privately owned research that has to be paid for at a premium … or publically developed research that is made open and accessible for other researchers across the globe (who can then collaborate with each other instead of compete behind closed source patents and information)
I trust the scientists and researchers that develop these medical break throughs … I just don’t trust the private CEOs that hire them or the corporations they work for.
corporate and financial interests were completely disconnected from all our health care and pharmaceutical systems
This is not realistic in the slightest. Reasearch requires resources and the time and effort of highly qualified people.
It’s extremely realistic, humanity makes the most progress when research does not need to create a monetary benefit. It allows us to explore ideas unabated. While these systems need funding we could take a 1% from military spending and invest with government resources. Hence why the mrna vaccines actually progressed so quickly, they were already being researched by the army for quick and rapid treatment of diseases during combat, i.e. just to solve the problem not just to profit from the tech, they lent that research out and gave grants to the corporations who developed and manufactured the covid vaccines. Internet, developed for combat communications not for profit. Most computer innovations came out of the space race, research without a profit motive. The ideas funded by corporate interests revolve around optimizing profit, not progress, which is why we get planned obsolescence, lack of rights to repair, massive healthcare costs needing insurance offsets, etc. I guarantee you can’t name an actual positive innovation that was spurred purely for profit and not bastardized in the name of profit from a century old idea people forgot about so the company could attribute genius to its wealthy founders crud copy and paste job.
What if that 5% resist came with a temporary 36 hour debuff that made your character unplayable?
Love this analogy.
Thank you for perfectly demonstrating how the antivax argument will evolve.
It’s as effective as the flu vaccine. Get the version that addresses the latest varients, as previous ones may not be as effective against it.
Exactly. Some people get a flu shot every year. Now it’s going to be a flu shot and a covid shot.
Virus evolves, scientists do their best to predict which particular variants are or will become most prevalent. Vaccinations are made and administered based on that data. Rinse and repeat.
There are times when the models are wrong or variants progress in unexpected ways. In those cases you might see a mid-year booster.
Vaccines don’t guarantee you won’t get sick, but they reduce the severity and time to recover if you do get sick with one of the relevant variants. They may even prevent the occurrence of most symptoms depending on the person. .
I need to preface this by saying that I am in no way anti-vaccine, and this has nothing to do with politics.
But…
I got my last booster about 3 weeks ago, and I have been messed up ever since. Apparently there is something called Long Vax Syndrome.) that is currently being studied. Fortunately I don’t have some of the worst symptoms, but the fatigue is so real. Normally when I would get a covid booster I would be exhausted for about 24 hours, but this is unrelenting. I’ve never been this tired in my life, and it’s honestly a struggle. I am really hoping something comes of the research and they figure something out because I don’t know how long I can sustain this.
If it is anything like long covid my symptoms went away after about 2 months. Hopefully the vaccine variant is not as long.
But by week three I was starting to feel somewhat better.
My “long COVID” symptoms are on month 16 and counting… they’ve gone way down, but still there.
Same here. Also not ant-vax in general, very much pro-vax for the big three and whatnot. I got 2 vax and a booster willingly, but got sick as a dog all 3 times and missed work each time. The fatigue was crippling. I also got covid twice anyway so thats a bummer, but it wasnt any worse than the post-vax sickness. Maybe the vax reduced the severity of covid, but either way I think Ill pass on getting any more boosters for tbe time being. Ive had plenty of flu vaxes and never had an issue with them.
I have no idea why you’re getting downvotes on this. You’re relating your personal experience, and it’s clearly not an anti-vax type answer. Here’s an upvote to help offset that.
Bless you, how many boosters have you had and do you have any other underlying health issues?
So I got my first 2 shots way back when. And I think this is my 3rd booster?
No underlying health issues but it might be worth noting that I got covid way at the beginning of the pandemic and I was hospitalized for a week. It was the sickest I have ever been in my life. I was sick for 2 weeks before I went to the hospital because back then it was next to impossible to get a test, and it took forever to get results back.
Do I don’t know if I’m one of the few that is just voulerable to covid or whatever, and maybe because of that the vaccine has a chance to hite differently? I don’t know. There’s still so much unknown about covid, but I’m really hoping this fatigue clears up because quality of life is way down right now. It’s been very difficult to work and take care of my daughter etc. Driving isn’t safe… It’s not great.
But studies largely shown that the risk of post-vaccine events do not exceed background rates
sorry mate, guess you were the unlucky one. thanks for your sacrifice o7
What a surprise! who could have seen this coming!
I can almost hear all the scientists groan.
Why would scientist groan at data confirming previous studies?
Because it’s obvious to them that is safe and yet, due to the idiots in the population, they still had to do a study to “prove” what they already knew.
Fact is, mRNA isn’t actually new. It’s been used as a treatment for some things for nearly two decades before COVID. The remarkable part of the COVID vaccine is the speed at which they were able to adapt the tech to the new threat and produce a viable non-sterilizing vaccine from it. That shouldn’t imply that research into a COVID vaccine has stopped, there may be a better vaccine that’s possible, and I’m sure someone is working on that and I thank them for their work. The fact is mRNA was proven to be safe more than a decade before COVID-19 was a thing.
The main issue that the public has with it is that mRNA as a treatment or vaccine is relatively unused. The diseases/disorders that have utilized mRNA for treatment aren’t the most common, and unless you were presented with mRNA treatment options if you’re in the small group of people with the diagnosis that has an mRNA treatment option, it would be entirely new; and that describes the vast majority of people.
The information about it is out there, but Facebook research says that this is “brand new experimental technology” that has unpredictable outcomes, creating FUD, which is entirely based on nothing, because it’s not unpredictable and it’s not experimental. It’s true that it hasn’t been used in this application yet (at the time), and that the COVID vaccine was the first to use the technology for that purpose, but it’s hardly new/untested/experimental in any way, shape, or form. The doctors and researchers who developed the vaccine did their due diligence, and ran test groups before releasing the vaccine to the widespread population. This was done on an accelerated timeline than what is typical, but it was still done. They followed procedure. The only thing that could be argued that was missing was a long term study to show any lasting effects over years, which they simply didn’t have time for; but all evidence from the existing use of mRNA for treatments indicates that’s also going to result in no significant issues as well.
They did everything right and some portion of the population screamed bloody murder about it, meanwhile the delivery method was tried and tested, and already proven to be safe, yet they had to do yet another study to affirm what they already knew. For anyone who is aware of what medical R&D is doing and what standards they are held to, the fact that it was safe wasn’t even in question, but because some Facebook “researchers” decided it wasn’t with no evidence, there had to be additional and unnecessary work done to “prove” something that was already known to be true.
Hence, groan.
Are Republicans still waiting for people who got the initial vaccine to drop dead overnight? lol.
As of my last count we’ve all died 7 or 8 times now, and if we didn’t, next time for sure!
We were supposed to all die in the emergency national text message test a few weeks ago
What’s even the point? More evidence isn’t going to change anyone’s mind.
If this is trying to convince skeptics, it’ll do nothing. They’ll go back to Nancy on Facebook and exclaim how they’re putting 5G crystal-infused microchips into your body to turn you into a sky person. Literally nothing will convince the antivax.
Genuinely impressive how a vaccine made under the conditions and time constraints COVID faced is so effective.
Totally not true, there’s …. Stuff. Dammit, the only thing I came up with to annoy the person giving me the shot was a one liner about improved 5G reception. And I used it twice: so cringey. Where are all the conspiracy nuts when you need them?
Anyone know where I can access the report mentioned? It doesn’t seem to be linked anywhere in the article, nor cited by a searchable name…
Could we just say that all evidence confirms it?
I’m fully pro vaccine and I’m happy for these studies. Nothing wrong about getting more data and confirming or revisiting things based on said results.
Science is not afraid of being double checked.
The thing that increased anti-vaxx sentiment and theories of the vaccines killing you or whatever, was governments around the world going full fash with them.
If you don’t take the vaccine, you can’t enter establishments, you can’t work, you’ll be denied healthcare ahead of someone who has been vaccinated, fined if you don’t take it (in the case of Germany) etc etc. If you want people to get vaccinated en masse, this is entirely the opposite way of doing it. It’s no surprise that there’s now been a decline in vaccine uptake in general.
That whole period when the vaccines first came out and the governmental coercion has actively damaged public health messaging for the foreseeable future.
Sweet
I just saw yet another Tim pool twitter thread with people talking about wanting assault vaccines be made illegal
I absolutely believe that in mass its safe. And I highly suggest others to get it. But I’m one of at least 3 people who had… a very specific and scary issue about 6 months after the first shot so for my own sanity I’ve not gotten another since the first booster. I don’t like to spread it though, its not like 3 is numerically significant even if its 3 in the same area of a specific state.
New evidence?
Whew!! That was a close one fellas. What if I knew that they were safe all along but I wanted to live on the edge?? (I got a vaccine shot 😔)
Again? Seems like a waste of time to continuously prove it’s safe. Everyone who cares already knows, everyone who need to care, doesn’t give a fuck and lives in their own little wonderland.
actionjbone@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Also, old evidence confirms it.
altima_neo@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
I guess whatever it takes to convince the skeptics. Though I figure nothing will convince them once they’ve made up their mind.
kescusay@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I don’t like calling them “skeptics,” because what they really are is super-gullible with regards to conspiracy theories.
Player2@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Cannot use logic to convince someone whose argument isn’t logical in the first place