Submitted 1 year ago by bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world
Egypt already has 12 million homeless people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_homeless_population
1.2 out of 10 people in Egypt is homeless.
Jordan, with a population of 11 million people, already has 2.1 million Palestinian refugees and 1.4 million Syrian refugees.
Those countries are in no position to help.
Look elsewhere for solutions.
I have a question. How many homeles people do we need to build a house, taken than stones, clay and sticks are available (or provided)? People once build pyramids there. World is anyway supporting them with food and a means to live – can’t the leadership be provided too (if they can’t organize themselves)? Can’t able to work build the houses for themselves and others? What do they do all day?
P.S. and I understand than not everybody can work, some have health issues - but hey, we are talking about 12milion, sure there are atleast 120k able to work persons in that crowd, who could work for 2 hours per day each.
So you want to make a scrab material slum? With no infrastructure like running water or sewage?
P.S. I’ve read a bit about specifics of Egyptian homelesness problem. I see that the problem for the big part, here is a bit of diferent kind of nature… than in long term (almost permanent) refugies camps, or former Gaza strip (as an egample), where almost everything is/was suplied.
Seams, that Egyptian goverment doesn’t even know (have exact criteria) whom to count as a homeless ones there and lot’s of people seam to be living in undeveloped self-build slums without improving the enviroment themselves further or for better. It’s hard to understand – is it because it is good enougth for them as is, or that they have diferent priorities or no good leadership. Anyway even if full support is not provided, or only partial is – living in whatever shelter in africa south is much, much easyer than in (as for example) in north europe, where it would be a certain death at the first winter, or even as early as autumn. Maybe north people (and societies) been forced by nature elements to become more self incentivised (othervise death) to take care of enviroment and homes development up to the level, or maybe in north simply nobody survived it in enough amounts to procreate endles generations of homeless up to astonishing 12 milion numbers. Such number of people can build a country and we are talking about what if 10% of them took a part (atleast two hours per day) in helping to build and develop their enviroment themselves. My first question stands – how many homeless is needed to build a house for themselves? I’ll just corect it with adding – and to improve, develop enviroment around it.
Are there official spaces where they would be allowed to build?
Damn, that’s tough!
We moved a bunch of people and made Israel. So let’s do it again. We’ll just move the Palestinians to Wyoming. We’ve got plenty of space up there.
You know what? Fuck it, let’s do it. We helped create these problems, let’s help solve them. 67% of Gaza’s population is under 24, so any money we spend, we’ll like get back in tax dollars. We can set up a Palestinian relocation bureau and start a voluntary exodus. Set aside relocation into our empty ass states, with some condition that they must maintain permanent residence for 5-10 years in that state. Have a jobs program and generate a great surge of skilled labor. We might let in a few extremists, but a third of our population is already there, so a couple thousand more won’t really impact our status quo too much.
I like the but enthusiasm but not all wyomingers will want neighbors, kinda like some of the indigenous Palestinians didn’t necessarily want a bunch of settlers. Hmm
I know you are not suggesting that seriously, but if we were to consider that seriously, I don't it would work.
Palestine (and more concretely Jerusalem) is considered the Holy Land by Judaism, Islam and Christianity. That's why the state of Israel was created there and not somewhere else. And that's why Palestinians wouldn't receive with a lot of enthusiasm the idea of being given a state of their own somewhere else.
A big part of the conflict is a "holy war" thing about who controls the Holy Land.
Fuck religion and fuck everyone in that region in particular. As long as they keep killing each other in revenge for killing each other, things aren’t going to change.
Come visit us in the 22nd century and see how civilized it could be.
I told this to a group of people once and the silence killed me from ever commenting on the situation in a group setting again. A diplomat I am not
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What kind of heartless monster do you have to be to inflict Wyoming on the poor souls‽
Haven’t they suffered enough‽
You’d probably see the most success relocating them to the great lakes where arab communities are already pretty well established. Also Queens to a lesser extent, Palestinians in particular would feel right at home in Queens, they’ve got Knaffeh and everything!
Better Wyoming than Fr*nce
Wyoming is absolutely beautiful, it’s main downside is that for much of the year its weather wants you dead.
They’re from one of the hottest countries on Earth, and you wanna give them even more problems by placing them in one of America’s coldest states, with heat domes and blizzards in the same week, hurricane-force winds and hail that can kill you?
One, they don’t give a fuck about the Palestinians, they only want it as a bargaining chip for diplomatic purposes. Same with all the Arab nations who clutch their pearls. The Palestianins have been intentionally isolated there by all the Arab nations bc they use it for PR.
To add to what everyone else has said, why should the Palestinians be forced to move? You’re suggesting the next Armenian Genocide or Trail of the Tears.
Why Doesn’t France/UK/US/Italy/Japan/China/Russia/Turkey or whatever country open it’s border ?
Because we gladly don’t border Gaza
Fucking right. I'm so glad I'm nowhere near that area. I looked at my six months old son and it just breaks my heart all the kids that are terrified right now bcz of power hungry assholes.
And still we could travel there without passing through any other country.
To Gaza specifically? Because it would be wildly unpopular in states already struggling with severe islamophobia problems.
Otherwise, can’t speak for europe and asia, but the US actually would be actively dooming mexico if it opened the borders. Anyone who could possibly help Mexico improve itself would suddenly have easy access to just getting up and leaving instead, initiating a vicious cycle of brain drain that would set Mexico back decades in terms of developing an educated professional core.
Aside from what everyone else is saying, Egypt is on the verge of economic collapse. People are poor and the Egyptian Pound is losing all of its value, even if we do open our borders Egypt won’t be able to provide any kind of support to them.
Even when they weren’t on the verge of collapse, they wouldn’t help. It’s politically expedient to have them there and feign outrage at Israel. It helps mask their anti-semitism and distracts from all the times the Arabs have attacked Israel, hoping to destroy it.
I am not PRO Israel… they have enormous and many war crimes under their belt. Just as the Palestinians do. If you think there is one easily culpable pRty here and just a victim and a bully, then you have not studied the history of that region and conflicts. Do not the my word for it, go reasearch–its out there and available. Do check your sources, though.
Because of fear of retaliation from Israel ?
Well Israel won’t complain if people leave Palestine
They will if ammunition and arms enter the occupied territories
Israel’s peace treaty with Egypt after the Yom Kippur War gives Israel control of a 100-meter wide buffer between Gaza and Egypt. So it doesn’t open its borders because it doesn’t have one, just a border with Israel. A later agreement gave Egypt some limited control over the buffer zone, so there are Egyptian guards in charge of the border crossing now, but they can’t do whatever they want.
Open border or not, that crossing is a literal death trap right now.
Thanks for the link, there is a link to another article that details Egypt’s request to open a humanitarian corridor. Good to hear, and answers my question.
Reuters reported that Egyptian authorities have asked Israel to refrain from targeting the border area and to create a safe corridor for civilians, citing two security sources.
Accepting 2 million refugees from Gaza (~2% of Egypt population) would surely crash Egypt economy and cause many unforseen social issues.
Or it would skyrocket it.
Places with high immigration are places that are doing well. Places with low immigration are places in decline.
The extreme example would be the US. It received a huge amount of immigrant and eventually prosper. The native got fucked though.
If Poland can do it…
Poland isn’t a desert. Poland has farmland. Most of Poland is actually habitable.
Poland also have much higher GDP per capita, much lower poverty rate, and a member of EU which increase the economic opportunity for its citizens.
Those 50% of the population spend all their life being indoctrinated by the Hamas. That’s 1 million kids. Apart from that the neighbors of the palestinians don’t like palestinians very much, how would you set up a program to integrate those kids into any society?
Terrible approach to see hundreds of thousand of children as unsalvagable human garbage, because they come from a difficult environment to say the least.
Just theoretically speaking, do you have an idea how they could be rescued?
Just for the record, it was you naming them human garbage. I am thinking about solutions, but I’m at a loss.
Remember when the US caused million is refugees from Iraq and Afghanistan, filling up all the Muslim countries with refugees? And then after the starvation and war in Syria those refugees were forces to go to Europe?
Yes, but what’s your definition of filled up?
UK has 280 people per km2
Egypt has 113 people per km2
Population density is a shit stat to use for this, most of Egypt is uninhabitable.
Egypt is literally a desert. Most of the country is uninhabitable. Do you propose they just start shoving refugees into the desert?
I mean generally able to absorb refugees. It’s less a matter of current density, and more a matter of having resources, infrastructure and critically time to absorb them. Yes, I agree Europe and the US could do more.
Is there a good eli5 on this. There is a lot here to understand and unpack and i need to be better educated. I think in the end it’s a holy war but don’t want to make improper assumptions.
Listening to a book now. Zionism started before WW1 when the territory was owned by the Ottomans. There have been individuals trying to get buy in to colonize the region forever
This is so wrong it’s absurd, it gives you absolutely no information on the history of this conflict. The current conflict dares back to the early 20th century, well before world war 2.
Ryan McBeth has done a fairly succinct video on it.
It’s very high level and skips a lot of nuance, but you get the idea.
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I did not click on it as you had it; I copied and stripped it before pasting because fuck Google, but go ahead and edit your post now if you care about not having your social media accounts linked to each other.
That's a good question. My instinct would be to say that they're worried about importing radicalized Palestinians, but I don't know that the ideology of those radicals would be too different than the people living in Egypt, at least not different enough that it would spark violence.
wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Because they don’t want the Palestinians either.
Same reason Jordan hasn’t done it.
It’s been suggested and rejected.
kersploosh@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
IIRC, Egypt also sees Hamas as a threat since Hamas is backed by Iran. They aren’t going to do anything to make life easier for Hamas or similar groups.
wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Jordan won’t take them either.
Now in all fairness they want their own country even though historically they’ve never had one.
That may be the right move but they have to stop acting like terrorist first.
I had a good Palestinian friend who always felt they should merge with Israel and ride the gold train