Detroit man steals 800 gallons using Bluetooth to hack gas pumps at station::undefined
Off topic but the right crowd is here, would anyone be interested in starting a hardware security community?
Detroit man steals 800 gallons using Bluetooth to hack gas pumps at station
Submitted 1 year ago by L4s@lemmy.world [bot] to technology@lemmy.world
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Number1SummerJam@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Zhao@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Be the change you wanna see. If you make it ill join it.
just_another_person@lemmy.world 1 year ago
[deleted]TacoNissan@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
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Sanguine@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
🙄
Fungah@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah okay.
My hardware knowledge is limited to ruining many sets of alligator chips trying to dump a virus from an infected UEFI/rewrite the chip so that I’d have a usable motherboard and a nasty virus to poke and prod at.
I guess I’ve always managed to set an esxi server to route internet traffic through a PC so my IPS can get at it and drop the bad stuff. Still trying to figure out the SIEM piece.
And smart lights / plugs. Many, many many of those.
I’ve got a decade of experience as an AE in a very techy field though.
If it’s a choice between me and a homeless guy then I’m definitely the guy.
DJDarren@thelemmy.club 1 year ago
Was this article written by AI, because it’s disjointed as fuck.
Amunium@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I doubt AI would have that poor grammar and spelling.
Natanael@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
They asked an intern to rewrite it
ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
That was my thought too
supakaity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
I asked my AI and that was its thought also.
wazoobonkerbrain@lemmy.world 1 year ago
My also thought AI too
nostradiel@lemmy.world 1 year ago
4$ per gallon that’s approximately 1$ per litre.
I hope it will at least double for you so you know what it’s like to pay for petrol in Europe…
Chunk@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I hope it will at least double to shock the system into prioritizing clean energy.
nostradiel@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That’s lovely idea but I don’t have even money to buy a newly made car. Where I’m supposed to get money for significantly more expensive (price and repair coat) and unreliable electric car? Now I can repair my car on my own cause it’s old and easy, also easy to refill. Electric cars is not the way. Also it’s not that green as everybody thinks…
Usernameblankface@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That would be quite a boost on top of how cheap solar is getting. Just need a good and cheap storage solution for the grid to run on more and more solar later and later into the evening.
5BC2E7@lemmy.world 1 year ago
In that case I hope your health care is reformed to imitate what we have here.
MaxVoltage@lemmy.world 1 year ago
they do have some private healthcare dont they
namelessdread@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I get what you’re saying, but I’m not sure you realize just how much that would hurt people. Europe is much more densely concentrated and has far better public transit options. Many parts of the US are extremely rural. My nearest grocery store is a 30 minute drive away. There are no stores in walking distance at all. There are no sidewalks. There are no busses, trains, or cabs in my area, and that is not wildly uncommon.
If costs of gas doubled, at least without viable alternatives, it would absolutely bankrupt people. And it would disproportionately impact poor people in rural areas where it’s very common to commute to work 30-60 minutes of driving is a common commute. While it varies by state, US federal minimum wage in the US is $7.25/hour. Many people commute for work, and an hour drive one way is also not uncommon.
Let’s take 7.25 an hour x 40 hours = $290 before taxes.
We’ll keep it simple and say a person uses only 1 gallon of gas per day to get to and from work which, at $8 a gallon x 5 days a week = $40. Just that travel to and from work and no other travel at all (or maintenance on the vehicle) would be 14% of pre-tax income.
daemoz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I agree but will counter, maybe people should be prioritizing buying motorcycles and heated jackets over trucks and subs that make up 80% of new sales. I think gas price should be based off mpg MORE than now. If you get 15 mpg than you pay 15 per gallon. Het 30mpg you pay 7 per gallon. Only exceptions are for vehicles used for operational work, not commuting.
jcit878@lemmy.world 1 year ago
petrol is about 1.5x the price in Australia compared to America with similar geographies to deal with
sturmblast@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I wouldn’t wish that on anybody it sucks to pay a lot of money for gas
Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Canada just north of the border it’s about $1.92/L where I live.
KredeSeraf@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I hope your country multiples in size to match the US and you can see what it’s like to have to drive long distances.
prole@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
They do, it’s called the European Union and they have publicly-funded means of transportation through it. They can freely move through the borders of any nation in the Schengen Zone without need of a passport. You can travel through most of Europe by many different means besides automobiles.
Our country is just too stubborn and individualistic to ever elect politicians that would see through the time and money required for the types of projects needed to make the US no longer reliant on cars and trucks. And if we did, it would just get shut down when the next conservative blow hard convinces enough people that it isn’t worth it.
Long term projects like that just aren’t in the cards for the US any more.
omfgnuts@lemmy.world 1 year ago
fucking clown 🤡 I just can’t aaaaa
Reddit_Is_Trash@reddthat.com 1 year ago
Fuck off. I hope the price gets cut in half. It’s expensive enough here
nostradiel@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You have 3x higher average yearly salary than in the czech republic while having 2x lower price of gas/petrol. And we are considered developed country… You have nothing to complain about. Get yourself 1.2 litre hatchback like I have…
I would ban every engine above 2l in citizen commute cars cause there is no need for more power.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Is it really theft? Considering how much of his tax dollars have gone to subsidize the oil and gas industry?
Kentronix@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yes, considering the oil company doesn’t own the gas station and still gets paid for the fuel. The person you’re stealing from is the owner of the gas station that in many areas sells fuel with very low margin in hopes of you coming into the store for snacks and drinks to make money on higher margin products.
BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yes
gurmif@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
User name checks out.
angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 1 year ago
I mean, that already is used to significantly lower at-the-pump gas prices from what they actually are, and raising gas prices is an easy way to lose an election in America, so that probably won’t change. Notice that in many other countries gas prices are way higher than in the US.
Mkengine@feddit.de 1 year ago
How much is it in the US right now? In Germany it is around $9 per gallon.
TwoGems@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Good point
M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 year ago
Can’t have shit in Detroit… Not even coherent written articles.
Eezyville@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Wait so they haven’t caught them yet? The article gave no names. And why do these pumps have Bluetooth? You might as well put in a USB service port.
foggy@lemmy.world 1 year ago
USB is way safer lol.
Bluetooth is notoriously bad with security. Especially Bluetooth 4 and earlier. I’d put money on a gas station pumps Bluetooth to not be using the most up to date protocol.
MeanEYE@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s like saying TCP has bad security. That is to say, pointless comparison. Bluetooth is just transport layer and security is done on higher level. This is most likely the classic example of “security through obscurity”. Meaning they did nothing special and hoped no one will figure it out, just like recent TETRA vulnerability.
ScreamingFirehawk@feddit.uk 1 year ago
At least you can lock a usb port behind an access panel
Lutra@lemmy.world 1 year ago
This exemplifies Fox - they provided a lengthy article, and a 3 person video with interviews, and yet the listener/reader knows no more about what actually happened than before they began. Its well produced hearsay.
Mudface@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That guy has saved …… so much money! I’m jealous
Desistance@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Gas pumps have Bluetooth? That’s news to me.
wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 1 year ago
You would be surprised, and then very worried, to find out what things needlessly have bluetooth
I saw a guy detail how to hack a house through a fridge.
Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I get unreasonably angry at salespeople when they brag about Bluetooth and wifi on appliances.
I know I shouldn’t. But wtf do you want your toaster to have internet access?
WashedOver@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
I have to wonder if the are confusing NFC with Bluetooth? Many newer pumps have smart chip tap pads now. I suspect they have found an exploit for this now.
lud@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Maybe they use Bluetooth for management and configuration.
beaubbe@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Some places let you pump THEN pay inside. You could just fill and leave. Is that not basically the same thing? Thay can catch them the same way.
Selmafudd@lemmy.world 1 year ago
This is every petrol station in Australia, don’t think I’ve every seen anybody do a runner, not like it’s hard to catch up
ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s how it used to work in most of the US. Every once in awhile, you’d be in a rough area and have to pay ahead of time but it was rare. When they switched to credit/debit cards, it generally became “Pay inside if you can’t use a card.”
It wasn’t much of a problem even when crime peaked in the U.S. (late 80’s and 90’s) and you could theoretically get away with it. Gas stations have always had security cameras.
sndrtj@feddit.nl 1 year ago
This is very much the default in the Netherlands. Yes theft happens, but your license plate will be clearly visibly on CCTV meaning you will get a visit by police soon after.
LUHG_HANI@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeh, thinking the same thing. The reg is what gives it away.
x4740N@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Not if its a stolen car, car without plates in some area they aren’t likely to be caught or one of those cars that has that thing that can change numberplates
The car with the changeable numberplate would be harder to catch if it was a super common car in the area as well
GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 1 year ago
So that’s how Bond managed to fill up the DB5 on a civil servant’s salary.
jcit878@lemmy.world 1 year ago
all those things are risky as fuck with police AI number plate recognition these days. it would take no time at all to track someone down over $50 theft
mulcahey@lemmy.world 1 year ago
This article has so few details. How do we think they’re pulling this off? Phones? A Flipper maybe? And then what?
MaxVoltage@lemmy.world 1 year ago
possession of flippers and 🐬 is illegal and punishable by up to 25 years to life
HeneryHawk@thelemmy.club 1 year ago
Bullshit. The world’s a big place and your rules don’t apply here
mulcahey@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Huh? Where?
therealrjp@lemm.ee 1 year ago
The grammar in this article is horrendous. It’s almost as if Fox isn’t a reputable source for news!
n3m37h@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah for one he didn’t steal anything, he liberated the refined Dino oil from its underground cage
dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world 1 year ago
KalabiYau@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Breach Protocol
thetoastmonster@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Why is that even possible?
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
That’s a lot…
Kalkaline@leminal.space 1 year ago
So, how would this work exactly? For curiosity’s sake.
Erasmus@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Not sure about this specific pump but this same thing happened in my town several months back and BT was used then too.
When it happened we found out that the pumps at the station in particular (and probably most) have a BT receiver tied to whatever little processor that runs the pump so either a station manager or someone servicing the pumps can access them with the right equipment, make internal adjustments etc.
In the case that happened locally to us. Someone hacked them the same way, then posted to Facebook and other social media sites to come get some free gas, etc.
abhibeckert@lemmy.world 1 year ago
All the pumps I’ve seen have a physical key protecting them too. They’re supposed to unlock it in the morning and lock it when staff leave for the night. I’d guess these stations didn’t do that?