Even more isolationism. Knowing how the usa works, they discovered the equipment was set up for spying on their people and they want all of that “spying on their own people” power for themselves.
The FCC decided that all foreign-made consumer-grade Internet routers are prohibited from receiving FCC authorization and are therefore prohibited from being imported for use or sale in the US.
Submitted 10 hours ago by floofloof@lemmy.ca to technology@lemmy.world
https://infosec.exchange/@briankrebs/116280575943263005
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melsaskca@lemmy.ca 22 minutes ago
ieGod@lemmy.zip 44 minutes ago
You can always get your own non-router hardware of significantly higher quality and run PFSense or similar for an end result that blows any consumer grade router out of the water. Unless they start banning all PCs this is the better way to go anyway.
floofloof@lemmy.ca 30 minutes ago
Yes. I run OPNsense and it’s very good. But this option is becoming more expensive with the crazy prices of RAM and storage.
0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 55 minutes ago
Gold colored Trump Router incoming
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 3 hours ago
This only applies to routers.
It’s not widely known outside the ham radio community, but part of the 2.4GHz wifi band overlaps the 13cm amateur radio band. If you turn off 5GHz wifi and lock the 2.4GHz AP to Channel 1, it qualifies as a ham radio, and can be sold as a ham radio instead of an AP/Router. You do need a ham radio license to operate it as a Ham AP, but you do not need a license to buy a Ham AP.
If the end user wants to turn on 5GHz after the fact, there is not a damn thing the FCC can do about it.
evil_andy@sh.itjust.works 1 hour ago
But you can’t run encryption on it. So that means no WEP, no WPA, no SSL, TLS, VPN, etc.
So yes, while you could run your own wireless access point, it doesn’t solve the main requirement for most people which is privacy.
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 1 hour ago
You aren’t understanding my point.
My point is that you can continue toimport and sell the exact same physical device, just with a little change in marketing, and possibly software.
My point is this: Once you have acquired the device, there is fuck all the FCC can do about you converting your “ham radio” back into a consumer-grade router.
sturmblast@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Lol nice
Prove_your_argument@piefed.social 9 hours ago
This is just their way of saying they want state sponsored backdoors into all private home networks.
OwOarchist@pawb.social 9 hours ago
Or, guess what, the next thing will be that all new domestically produced routers will require ID verification before they’ll connect.
floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 hours ago
They don’t want to, they already have it and just don’t want people to be able to avoid it.
en.wikipedia.org/…/Communications_Assistance_for_…
requiring that telecommunications carriers and manufacturers of telecommunications equipment modify and design their equipment, facilities, and services to ensure that they have built-in capabilities for targeted surveillance
tabular@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
[deleted]Bluewing@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
A nice thought. But the Great Unwashed Masses do not care. They want a Quick Start Guide that just says “Plug it in” and no other steps required. They want the black box because they don’t want to learn and understand.
And that attitude is less about the oligarchy and a lot more about all lazy people.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 hours ago
But that would be a sensible approch and strengthen the consumer. Not in the interest of the oligarchy.
bearboiblake@pawb.social 3 hours ago
Sorry, are you expecting the government, which is owned and controlled by the ruling class, to make legal changes which would go against their own interests? Haven’t you been paying attention?
If you want change, there’s only one way for us to get it, and it’s through a social revolution.
sturmblast@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
I’ll just keep building my own
TowardsTheFuture@lemmy.zip 10 hours ago
… does America even manufacture routers?
empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 hours ago
We don’t lol
Electronics manufacture of any kind has been heavily outsourced since at least 1995.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 8 hours ago
That only means we’re going to take over a country that makes routers.
atropa@piefed.social 6 hours ago
Do they know what a router is ?
teft@piefed.social 9 hours ago
If foreign made routers pose a severe cybersecurity risk then why would you let the current ones on the market stay? If they were truly a problem you’d remove them from the market, not grandfather them.
But like everything with this capricious administration the real reason they’re doing this is probably because someone greased their palms.
InnerScientist@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
doesn’t cover ISP or commercial equipment
The foreign backdoors will stay for critical infrastructure
n7gifmdn@lemmy.ca 6 hours ago
Honestly it feels like they get their Intel from memes.
Codpiece@feddit.uk 4 hours ago
First routers, then foreign operating systems, then cars…
floofloof@lemmy.ca 21 minutes ago
The USA is doing an impressive job of sanctioning the USA.
hperrin@lemmy.ca 9 hours ago
Awesome. So what used to be a $50 router is about to be a $150 router. Great.
some_designer_dude@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
And it’s going to suck BALLS
cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 7 hours ago
$150 will get you a mini PC that you can run OPNsense on. Hopefully they don’t ban WiFi access points next.
14th_cylon@lemmy.zip 6 hours ago
there is not much wifi access points that are not routers at the same time and i doubt that said regulation would make such a minor a distinction.
unfortunately we can only guess, because only official document i have found is as vague as the news reports.
www.fcc.gov/supplychain/coveredlist
Routers^ produced in a foreign country, except routers which have been granted a Conditional Approval by DoW or DHS.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Force consumers into US made, AI-laden, crappy hardware full of backdoors for the regime.
gibmiser@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Conditional approvals - it’s a bribe scheme. Companies can ask for exceptions. Sure they wouldn’t Grease any palms…
SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 20 minutes ago
They bulit the bribe into the law: “Producers of consumer-grade routers that receive Conditional Approval from DoW or DHS can continue to receive FCC equipment authorizations. Interested applicants are encouraged to submit applications to conditional-approvals@fcc.gov.”
homes@piefed.world 9 hours ago
WHAT
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 hour ago
Landom of free!
Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 8 hours ago
Outsourcing of maufactoring work is forbidden now? LOL
floofloof@lemmy.ca 8 hours ago
It’s that, and also an invitation to bribery, and also a demand for surveillance backdoors.
REDACTED@infosec.pub 6 hours ago
Isn’t Mikrotik commonly used for servers? Or is that just Europe?
SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 31 minutes ago
I worked for an MSP that sold those products for all use cases. The Mikrotik home routers(with wifi) are the best you can buy, if you can figure them out. Most people run at least one Ubquity ap to get higher band radio coverage for their homes.
f3nyx@lemmy.ml 6 hours ago
Anecdotally, I haven’t run into a single Mikrotik deployment since university.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
glad a built my own last year.
echodot@feddit.uk 3 minutes ago
Does the US really make their own routers pretty much all electronics come from the China.
I suspect what’s going to happen is that the components will come from China and then some white label manufacturer will just put them together in the US, therefore they were “made” in the US so are okay. But it’ll be literally the same chips and circuit board and firmware as before.