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- Comment on Taco Bell rethinks AI drive-through after man orders 18,000 waters 4 hours ago:
One person commits suicide from LLMs: OH MY GOD BAN ALL LLMS REQUIRE IDS AND REGULATE THEM TO THE GROUND. (Please ignore all cases of suicide for therapy patients. Therapy is always effective and results in positive outcomes, right?)
One person dies in a car crash with a semi-autonomous L2 car: OH MY GOD BAN ALL SELF DRIVING CARS PEOPLE ARE DYING LEFT AND RIGHT (ignore billions of miles per significant accident for the robot vs hundreds of thousands for humans.)
Just two examples, and odds are you have your own personal opinion about how you absolutely loathe one or another. Maybe you feel like you're losing control with self driving cars, or maybe you feel like chat bots have encroached on your field of work because you're a dev and we've had countless layoffs after over-hiring during covid lockdowns.) Either way, there's studies and there's kneejerk reactions, and in our world the latter is winning right now.
- Comment on Taco Bell rethinks AI drive-through after man orders 18,000 waters 4 hours ago:
Totally agree. Without details we don't have any idea what actually went wrong.
- Comment on Taco Bell rethinks AI drive-through after man orders 18,000 waters 4 hours ago:
What's the architecture of taco bell's implementation?
Which LLM are they using?
- Comment on Taco Bell rethinks AI drive-through after man orders 18,000 waters 4 hours ago:
I worked at a pizza place with a drive through. We sold many items that were non-pizza like wings, subs, salads, burgers, desserts and side items like fries, mozz, etc. My girlfriend's family owned the place, so I was familiar with more than just grunt work and had some inside insight into the business numbers that normal workers do not get.
We would never have fulfilled an 18,000 water cup request.
If someone came by with a catering sized order in the drive through, we would have had them park somewhere and told them a relative estimate of how long it would be. Sure, maybe someone would have started on a couple of things, but we wouldn't be able to fulfill such large orders in the time it took between placing an order and the window. There's only so many workers.
There was obviously plenty of food waste, but that's baked into the cost of the items.
- Comment on Taco Bell rethinks AI drive-through after man orders 18,000 waters 6 hours ago:
I just don't agree man. It won't do what most people want it to do, it doesn't at all work like some kind of science fiction "AI" that we classically think of. It's great at organizing patterns and helping create models to do a specific use case, but when you try to do some real convoluted multilevel thing it just doesn't.
We've been using ML for a ton of tools in tech for a long time. Crowdstrike, Darktrace and Abnormal are all very successful in the realm of what they do thanks to ML (aka "AI".)
OCR has been used for so long and has gotten really fucking good, thanks to ML.
I don't think we're gonna replace humans for thinking, but we can definitely replace them for boring repetitive actions.
- Comment on Taco Bell rethinks AI drive-through after man orders 18,000 waters 9 hours ago:
Really the only cost here is the impact to consumer attitudes towards taco bell and AI because the video and news of this is circulating. One error is whatever, but public perception doesn't typically involve much critical thinking.
People are still irrationally terrified of all manner of technology even though science backs it up, like vaccines.
- Comment on Taco Bell rethinks AI drive-through after man orders 18,000 waters 9 hours ago:
The mcdonalds thing was because the model they implemented was misinterpreting people and incorrectly placing orders. Yeah, obviously the thing wasn't working right so they pulled that. Sounds just like early personal assistants on phones and other devices, hell my wife still struggles with those. They clearly needed more time developing and testing it with a diverse range of customers from all over. I don't know if they trained it using recordings from real drive throughs from all over, but they should have.
The 18000 water example probably didn't cost anyone anything. Regardless of if it was intentional or not, it wouldn't have been fulfilled as part of an order. They mention it "crashing the system" - whatever that means in this context is impossible to know. Did it take down all of taco bell? Did it cause the LLM to stop responding on JUST this one site? All of them? Did it eventually time out and start working right? it's impossible to know because the details just aren't there and we have no insight as to the system architecture. I always assume there is a method to rely on traditional ordering where a person listening in while the chatbot talks to the person can take over and fix the problem. It's not like there aren't drive through workers still there.
- Comment on Taco Bell rethinks AI drive-through after man orders 18,000 waters 10 hours ago:
Why would this cause them to rethink anything?
If someone trolls an order of thousands of something, a worker isn't going to just make that thing. I get that retail workers are treated like shit and are paid shit so have zero shits to give, but if someone rolls up to the drive through window asking for their thousands of waters or whatever, the people working there are gonna escalate it to a manager or just tell the guy to go pound sand.
Anybody today can go to any drivethrough and ask for whatever and then simply drive away. I'm certain it happens from time to time, even from legitimate orders when someone discovers they leave their wallet at home. If it was a great problem though these businesses simply wouldn't order drive through service, or would require payment before cooking anything.
- Comment on Google will block sideloading of unverified Android apps starting next year 3 days ago:
It was always intended to be this way.
The beginning was pre-enshittification. We're going from the good ole' days to the future, and the future sure as shit aint for you unless you're in the club... and you aint, none of us are.
- Comment on Our Channel Could Be Deleted - Gamers Nexus 4 days ago:
The only high he's chasing is a money one. Controversy brings clicks.
- Comment on Goodbye, $165,000 Tech Jobs. Student Coders Seek Work at Chipotle. 1 week ago:
lol... I don't think you're right at all.
Everybody overhired coders in 2020-2021, and everybody has been shedding them since.... along with tons of other roles.
Sure, they are always hiring and there's always exceptions. If the job is 60k and you have 3000 applicants and 300 of them have over 3 years of experience... how can a 0 YOE possibly compete?
- Comment on Goodbye, $165,000 Tech Jobs. Student Coders Seek Work at Chipotle. 1 week ago:
My brother in law got fucked by this. Smart kid and beloved by his boss, company folded and now works at a fucking dominos.
- Comment on AI companies have stopped warning you that their chatbots aren’t doctors 5 weeks ago:
The thing that LLMs are great at is taking a LOT of datapoints and coming to a conclusion based on all of them.
Humans can look at a few but get overwhelmed.
if you feed a ton of diagnostic data including past incidents, blood test, perhaps DNA tests, i'm pretty sure LLMs will be able to better figure out a diagnosis than a doctor using traditional methods.
When users self-diagnose, they're often wrong, because they don't know what the fuck they're doing. Garbage in garbage out regardless of the entity trying to process it.
This study is one that put doctors against a LLM, 90% accuracy for chatgpt, 74% for doctors not using LLM tool. https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2024/12/03/ai-diagnosis-ec
So chatgpt wrong 10% of the time, doctor wrong 26% of the time. 2.6x worse failure rate by real docs... for that one anyway. The better the data for chatgpt, the better it's diagnosis. Humans probably won't get much better, but LLMs? I bet they will.
We're likely to have an intermediary step where HCPs handle the symptoms, testing, etc and then it's fed into a medical focused LLM. The LLM will output potential diagnosis for a doctor to review for sanity, even though the doctor is probably less accurate it will make everyone feel better, and then the doc will slap a diagnosis on their profile.
LLMs will be infinitely better than humans at figuring out drug interactions (it's just a big fucking database), allergies (they can't forget you're allergic to NSAIDs like my wife is, and who routinely has been given them by HCPs who fuck up.) Who knows what else.
- Comment on AI companies have stopped warning you that their chatbots aren’t doctors 5 weeks ago:
Nah, I just consistently put more effort in than you clowns.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11263899/
ChatGPT4 rated higher than physicians at taking text input and getting a diagnosis in that study.
Here's a completely different one. 90% accuracy for chatgpt, 74% for doctors not using LLM tool. https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2024/12/03/ai-diagnosis-ec
So chatgpt wrong 10% of the time, doctor wrong 26% of the time. 2.6x worse failure rate by real docs... for that one anyway.
It's just a matter of time for medical diagnosis to be done by LLMs first, and then simply be reviewed by a doc for sanity because humans "don't trust" technology.
So here, you literally just prove you're an asshat, and I brought data.
- Comment on AI companies have stopped warning you that their chatbots aren’t doctors 5 weeks ago:
Do you have any evidence that doctors are superior to doctors? I haven't seen any of it. :)
- Comment on AI companies have stopped warning you that their chatbots aren’t doctors 5 weeks ago:
If you post on reddit asking for advice, and you die after following the advice despite there being no claims of anyone being a doctor, who does someone sue?
IMO shouldn't need disclaimers stating that absolutely everyone and everything is not a lawyer, is not a HCP, etc, etc. It's just a given.
If you google something and just blindly do what the first result says, do you have a case against them too?
- Comment on AI companies have stopped warning you that their chatbots aren’t doctors 5 weeks ago:
There are no arguments otherwise here.
I'm not here to write beautifully crafted arguments when no one has yet to disagree.
- Comment on US popularity collapses worldwide in wake of Trump’s return 5 weeks ago:
This is basically the current administration, in a post.
If you're still trying to understand it, you really need to read between the lines or perhaps some tea leaves.
If you actually look at the decisions being made, a lot of people in a lot of very deep red areas are getting a bunch of federal cheddar. Plus dumpy's fam has made billions on their own crypto during all of this by using the popularity.
Then there's all the quid-pro-quo 'dealing' we keep hearing about, but we only hear the public side of it. We don't hear the private business negotiation where the terms are only sweetened after a bribe is agreed upon.
- Comment on US popularity collapses worldwide in wake of Trump’s return 5 weeks ago:
The trans vaccines leave chemtrails on your autistic activist judges who are reinventing the constitution by sticking to constitutional precedent and allowing billions of brown people to flood in from mexico.
We've got to build a wall to keep QAnon alive because hunter biden's laptop autopen'd Project 2025 which has created the agenda which says state's rights are important, except only when it is incongruent with the heritage foundation's agenda.
Everything I have said is true, signed,
DumpyJTrumpetbooty - Comment on WhatsApp is dropping its native Windows app in favor of an uglier web version 5 weeks ago:
I've literally only ever used the web version on windows. It works fine, so what's the problem? what functionality is being lost?
More ram usage? oh no! I couldn't possibly have free Ram left!
- Comment on AI companies have stopped warning you that their chatbots aren’t doctors 5 weeks ago:
and if the argument is "Bbbuut the LLM was wrong once and someone DIED!"
The comparison is the human being wrong over and over and over and over to the result of countless deaths. Malpractice lawsuits must be rare compared to the amount of mistakes that are made, simply because it's difficult to get to the point where you win, and extremely costly if you fail the suit.
We already have people posting on social media for medical advice. LLMs just can't be worse than that.
- Comment on AI companies have stopped warning you that their chatbots aren’t doctors 5 weeks ago:
I feel like this is the self driving car thing again.
How often are human doctors wrong in their diagnoses?
How often are LLM doctors wrong in their diagnoses?
I'm pretty sure the former is close to 75%, and the latter substantially less. I've heard of so many people go to doctor after doctor and not get the right diagonsis or treatment for whatever they have going on, and it takes 5+ to find the one who figures it out and gets them treated.
- Comment on Random Screenshots of my Games #63 - The Alters 1 month ago:
Finally, someone who is creating something that isn't short format video... or really fucking long format video.
Reading what you have here has been wonderful. Thank you!
- Comment on Tinder’s mandatory facial recognition check comes to the US 1 month ago:
Really? catfishing is this much of a risk that we'd rather eliminate privacy completely and provide biometric data that tinder can then sell to whoever?