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The US bans all new foreign-made network routers

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Submitted ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨return2ozma@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://www.engadget.com/big-tech/the-us-bans-all-new-foreign-made-network-routers-223622966.html

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  • A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Just to spell out what many comments already hint at:

    There are no US-made routers. “Made” here refers to companies, not where the stuff is actually made. Even if the plastic housing happened to be made in the US for one or two products, the components are still from far away.

    Those few US companies paid MAGA for this.

    This is corruption pure and simple.

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    • kautau@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      And also I’m SURE there will be no backdoors installed in these routers. This was a mutual deal to control information, not just a financial one

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      • lorty@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It’s okay when it’s OUR backdoor, it’s not okay when it’s their speculative backdoor.

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    • kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Those few US companies paid MAGA for this.

      Almost certainly not just a money thing. They very likely also made deals for government access to and control of their devices. This isn’t just corruption. It is fascism.

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  • NekoKoneko@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s incredible how every day in this country continues to be unimaginably dumber than the last.

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    • 1995ToyotaCorolla@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s really a amazing how this country just ran on word and vibes up to this point. Turns out you could just do whatever and nobody would have the cajones to stop you

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  • RedGreenBlue@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The rent for your ISP provided hardware is about to go up by x10. Also you will get a letter saying you don’t have an approved router installed.

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  • Phoenix3875@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    So consumer grade routers are a security risk, but not ISP switches or server routers? That’s the opposite of what a state level actor would look for.

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    • KeenFlame@feddit.nu ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Brother it is class war so

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    • aBundleOfFerrets@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I mean, it’s kind of old news that these consumer routers make up the majority of bot nets, although I doubt requiring them to be US-made will change much.

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      • 8oow3291d@feddit.dk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Som jeg læser det, så er de mere bange for at den kinesiske stat har en bagdør i routerne. Ikke almindelige kriminelle bot-net.

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    • FE80@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Isn’t Huawei already banned?

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      • tidderuuf@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Is it? Because I just saw them available on Amazon and Alibaba. I think I even saw it on Walmart a few weeks ago too.

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  • themurphy@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Be ready to get shut out of the global internet and only use Trumpernet.

    Seriously though, they’ll block yalls internet access in a few years.

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    • lorty@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The Great Firewall of China FREEDOM

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      • thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The Great (again) Firewall of China FREEDOM

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    • ms_lane@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Glad Australia is finally getting some decent fiber links up through Singapore.

      SEA-ME-WE3 is a joke and before IndigoWest and ASC, almost all of our international transit was via US.

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  • Tarambor@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The only slight problem with this is that there are no routers made in the USA.

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    • sunbeam60@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Well, you can run your own router on your own hardware but other than that, agreed.

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      • Reygle@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Is that hardware also made in the US ><

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      • locahosr443@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        But where is that hardware made

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      • andallthat@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        well, Trump has a worryingly faint and ever-changing idea of where the USA confines end…

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    • Kissaki@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      All it needs is a bribe from Cisco, and it’s no problem anymore. Probably.

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    • excral@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      New business venture: sell computers that totally aren’t routers, pinky promise, but just randomly happen to run OpenWrt perfectly and have all the needed hardware.

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  • RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    So… all network routers?

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    • Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yes.

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  • LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Great, so zero network products can be sold, and we have to dispose of any existing ones in a couple years.

    I guess the US won’t have any Internet anymore.

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    • henfredemars@infosec.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Perhaps it’s a fallback plan in case the universal Internet ID thing doesn’t work out. Gotta keep the masses stupid and uncoordinated.

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    • compostgoblin@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Where did it say we have to dispose of existing ones? It doesn’t say that no products can be sold, and the article specifically says models that have already been approved can continue to be sold. I also think it’s dumb, but it’s important to be accurate.

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      • LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        In an exception to the usual rule, routers included on the Covered List can continue to receive updates at least through March 1, 2027, although the date could potentially be extended.

        I guess it depends on what this means here. It COULD mean that you won’t get software updates (security updates) next year.

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    • Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Look Vlad, I’m doing it too!

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  • maplesaga@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Something is happening, first the age verification and now this. They’re setting up to verify identities online I presume?

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    • daychilde@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The fascists always attack free speech, and our first amendment rights have been under attack from many directions.

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    • kent_eh@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They’re setting up to verify identities online I presume?

      To track online activities.

      To ensure nobody is doing anything the government (or its corporate funders) don’t like.

      Look at the Project2025 manifesto and see how much they want people’s activities to be controlled.

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    • sunbeam60@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You can of course run your own router.

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  • hperrin@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m so glad they’re focusing on this instead of how shitty and expensive our home internet is.

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    • Atherel@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You’ll be able to save so much money once private households wont have internet anymore!

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    • Stupidmanager@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Mandatory Triple play packages by xfinity is coming BACK! Yay… I forgot what it was like to over pay for my internet with 2 additional services I don’t want. Can’t wait.

      /s

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  • phutatorius@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    What’s the play here? Something isn’t making sense.

    With the Trump administration, the only thing you can be sure of is that the stated reason isn’t the real reason. Somebody’s got to be getting a payday from this.

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    • Bieren@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s a money grab. About the only networking companies that build in the us are like Cisco and juniper. Which odds are, you aren’t running at home. This is without a doubt a money grab. Google and Amazon will gladly pay the exemption fee. Some others will as well. This isn’t about security or “pay American”. It’s a money grab.

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    • cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Same play as always. Bullies countries and corps to get what he wants. As long as it serves him that’s all he cares about.

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    • axum@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Starlink devices are currently the only approved ones.

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    • Jason2357@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      There will be some meetings with oems, and gold things dropped on his desk, and the exceptions will start being handed out. Same as always.

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  • nosuchanon@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The next step is government approved routers with NSA backdoors.

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    • 1984@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yep, marketed as very safe, meeting “standards” .

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    • kiagam@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Next? securityaffairs.com/…/cisco-removed-the-backdoor-…

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  • ClownStatue@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    So at what point do they ban all new computers not made domestically?

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    • IratePirate@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      So at what point do they ban all new computers not made domestically?

      FTFY. It’s the same thing.

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    • rumba@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      well pricing them out of reach of the population wasn’t working, so soon

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  • just_another_person@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This is a good time to remind everyone to avoid any of the major manufacturers. Get pre-built OPEN boxes and install OpenWRT. You performance and capabilities will beat the shit out of any of the other stuff anyway.

    Sadly, there were a few great foreign-made manufacturers who had great hardware for this. Technically they aren’t “network routers” and just blank hardware, so probably don’t fall into the idiotic language put forth here.

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    • NewOldGuard@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’ve got a GLiNet router with OpenWRT, running adguard on it. Best router experience I’ve ever had. I wonder how quick this ruling takes effect, might be smart to buy another while I can lol

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      • just_another_person@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        YUP. I’ve deployed hundreds of these. They make good hardware, their developers and hardware engineers are quick to respond to customers, and they just make a good product. They even share their board designs, because why not?

        Sucks they’re going to be caught in the crossfire here.

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      • LucidNightmare@anarchist.nexus ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Thanks for this recommendation! I just bought one! :-]

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    • littlewonder@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Can’t believe this isn’t the top comment.

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    • Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      And open software will probably have the ability to show up as a “correct” router when that day comes.

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  • btsax@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You can install router software on any computer

    opnsense.org

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  • Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This is so stupid that I can barely even think of a nefarious reason to do it.

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  • Antaeus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Cisco is made in China. Ubiquiti, Vietnam or Thailand I think.

    How is this going to work?

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  • bold_atlas@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    All the thrift stores here throw them away. I’ve got dozens of them, variety of all types piled up in the closet because why the fuck the not? Fucking knew they’d come after them eventually.

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  • aport@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    What the fuck are they doing?

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  • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Quick question. What would happen if China decided to get angry about this, and stop selling 100% of their goods to American companies unless they allowed 100% of their goods to be sold without restrictions?

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  • kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    designating all consumer routers manufactured outside the U.S. as a security risk

    So this is horseshit, right?

    First of all, ALL routers from ANY country are a security risk? Every single other nation is trying to make Spyware for the average American consumer? Doubt.

    Second, they are extremely concerned with all consumers’ security from foreign actors to the point it needs an outright ban on hardware to protect us. God forbid I buy an AVM router from Germany and open up my home networking to German Spies. What if they find out I sometimes visit porn websites and yourube!?

    Third, that the US government, themselves, are trustworthy and wont force backdoors into systems to allow them unfettered access into private networks, something that they HAVE TRIED TO AND SUCCEEDED TO DO IN THE PAST. And also something that they are very clearly opening the door for with all of these legal pushes toward requiring age verification software and OS’s. They want to ban foreign routers so that you have to buy routers from companies that they can control. They can ask, coerce and force them to give them access behind the scenes for some bullshit excuse (“protect the kiddies”, “law enforcement”, “national security”, “terrorism”), force them to not tell the public, and then “secretly” monitor every device in the entire country. They are almost certainly already doing this with a significant number of US manufacturers and software developers.

    Fuck these fascists.

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  • Jhex@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I think you guy are forgetting Occam Razor… the most likely scenario (least assumptions) here is that some inept appointee from the orange pedo thought this would be a good idea and pushed it with the research, planning and preparation we all put at farting after eating Taco Bell

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  • nao@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    From another article about this topic:

    This leads to the question of what exactly the FCC means by consumer-grade routers.

    In September 2024, NIST submitted proposals to strengthen the – undeniably modest – IT security of routers (NIST IR 8425A). It states: “Routers forward data packets, most commonly Internet Protocol (IP) packets, between networked systems.”

    This encompasses a wide range of devices, from WLAN repeaters to smartphones

    So new smartphones are banned too?

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  • metakrakalaka@lemmychan.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Get them pitchforks ready.

    And guillotines.

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  • LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Figures, make it difficult and expensive for consumers to get routers. Make it so people must pay 5 times as much for a lower quality “US made” router in 4-5 years once the factories are built; or people just stop using the internet at home like the administration wants.

    The US does not make many electronics, and when we do, they are ALWAYS made with imported components. So this is once again a threat to companies to move production to the US, but with ZERO incentive for the companies to do so.

    No wonder our economy is tanking so hard under these nazi’s. They are so incompetent, it hurts.

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  • ITGuyLevi@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’ll stick with my pfsense… Just rebuilt it yesterday to upgrade it a bit.

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  • TwinTitans@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I don’t think there was a lot of research into where these things come from to begin with.

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  • masterofn001@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Raspberry pi?

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  • hcf@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    So basically just like… the internet is banned?

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  • bagsy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Land of the free? Freedom just keeps slipping away…

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