Nvidia Announces DLSS 5, and it adds... An AI slop filter over your game

Submitted ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨popcar2@piefed.ca⁩ to ⁨games@lemmy.world⁩

https://www.digitalfoundry.net/features/nvidias-new-dlss-5-brings-photo-realistic-lighting-to-rtx-50-series

I’m completely speechless. This looks so terrible I thought it was a joke, but apparently Nvidia released these demos to impress people. DLSS 5 runs the entire game through an AI filter, making every character look like it’s running through an ultra realistic beauty filter.

The photo above is used as the promo image for the official blog post by the way. It completely ignores artistic intent and makes Grace’s face look “sexier” because apparently that’s what realism looks like now.

I wouldn’t be so baffled if this was some experimental setting they were testing, but they’re advertising this as the next gen DLSS. As in, this is their image of what the future of gaming should be. A massive F U to every artist in the industry. Well done, Nvidia.

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theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world ⁨45⁩ ⁨seconds⁩ ago
So absolutely nothing new? DLSS has always been slop.

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Hadriscus@jlai.lu ⁨8⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago
the inability to read the room. and I thought I was autistic

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vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works ⁨20⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago
This looks so bad, like uncanny 3d porn bad.

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hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago
Insanely impressive that it’s able to do that in real time.

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ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago
Don’t call it DLSS!

Call it AISSS (AI Slop Supersampling)!

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- thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works ⁨13⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago
  AiSS: Arbitrarily Interfering Super Slop
  
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MurrayL@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Check out this fun little nugget from further down in the article:

Nvidia actually used two RTX 5090s for its demos: one plays the game, the other exclusively runs the DLSS 5 technology.

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- Fabrik872@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I think you have a typo there: An entire second GPU just to ruin it.
  
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- ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
  That’s actually good news in my eyes, we definitely won’t see this hit the consumer market for years.
  
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- ThePantser@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Can hardly afford or find one, they expect us to buy two? Fuck them
  
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  - muhyb@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    They have no intention to sell them to us. They’ll maybe let us play it like this thorugh GeForce Now, or any other streaming service.
    
    They don’t want regular folk to buy PCs anymore.
    
    So, yes. Fuck them indeed.
    
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- nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨47⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago
  as much as you and I both hate it and as shitty as it looks right now, i imagine that some sort of cloud hosted ai technology is the future of gaming
  
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- Romkslrqusz@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Context is important. The following sentence is:
  
  The use of two GPUs is required right now as DLSS 5 still has a long way to go in terms of optimisation - both in terms of performance and its VRAM footprint. However, DLSS 5 is designed for use on a single GPU and that’s how it will ship later this year. Quite how scalable it is also remains to be seen, but in common with other DLSS technologies, Nvidia tells us that the computational cost scales with resolution.
  
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  - Skyrmir@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
    Sure just double the vram and your AI can run, unfortunately you can’t afford that vram because billionaires are running AI.
    
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- Bunitonito@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  2017: Buy 2x 1080 Ti for 1500 bucks, your build is GOATed, have fun spending half your time tinkering with your overclocks and fishing for the perfect SLI compatibility bits in Inspector
  
  2026: This. It’s a shame
  
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- Matty_r@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Ha ha thats great. Reminds me of PhysX back in the day where initially it needed a dedicated card.
  
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  - mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨48⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago
    Some of us are old enough to remember when your games would sound different depending on which sound card you had installed.
    
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- fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Back to the ol pysx GPU days. Except physx made the game cooler.
  
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- RaoulDook@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Features that need 2x the GPUs makes the stock go up 2x
  
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- inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Great the new SLAI.
  
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lyralycan@sh.itjust.works ⁨21⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago
We can’t play games unless we play exactly as the developers intended (constant bug fixes, online requirement, anticheat etc. for non competitive games), but Nvidia can ensure games are portrayed differently, entirely shoving a middle finger in artists’ faces? And you raise a valid point –

AI is trained on what, exactly, because AI filters always enhance facial definition, add makeup like shadow, blush and lipstick, and full body upscaling adds flat stomachs with abs, perfectly symmetrical D cup breasts, in this case blonde highlights are apparently more appealing than the original… It all stinks of the generic 2010’s Western white heterosexual man’s idea of the perfect woman’s body. It’s like every beauty filter is made by Jack Black’s character from Shallow Hal.

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Nasan@sopuli.xyz ⁨50⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago
Close one, I almost just downloaded a mod instead of burning money.

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FreddyNO@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
Fuck nvidia

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- myedition8@lemmy.world ⁨44⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago
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empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Makes perfect sense in context.

Nvidia is no longer a gaming company. They do not care about gamers. They are actively DRIVING AWAY gamers as fast as they can, because AI chips are more lucrative than dirty smelly tiny consumer products.

This is meant to show off real-time AI generation performance, which is massively marketable to AI companies. Not consumers. Nothing is about consumers.

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- carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  oh i’m sure the “hire fans lol” gamer chuds will be over the moon about this
  
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PonyOfWar@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Can’t believe DF is so positive about this, just looks horrible. I’ve actually been quite positive about technologies like DLSS and FSR but this… no thanks.

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- absquatulate@lemmy.world ⁨34⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago
  The amount of glazing they do, holy fuck. They had me too for a minute before I started wondering if this is just an april fools joke
  
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- nfreak@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
  They absolutely got a huge nvidia check for this one
  
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- RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Crazy to me to see people just now waking up to just how underinformed Digital Foundry really is to technical details, and how much they sold out.
  
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eli@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Idk why, but this reminded me of the South Park episode where everyone is using photoshop to show off their girlfriends.

Had to make the meme

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newthrowaway20@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I just watched the Digital Foundry video on this and the way they fuckin glaze over this tech just disgusted me enough to unsubscribe.

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- RetroGoblet79@eviltoast.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
  Can’t say I ever really trusted any Digital Foundry takes. They all seem to naval glaze over shiny things.
  
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zaphod@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Isn’t DLSS by defintion always an AI slop filter?

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- popcar2@piefed.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Not really, DLSS mostly just reduces the resolution of a game and then upscales it back up. It does a pretty good job of making the game still look (almost) exactly the same. This, however, completely changes what you’re looking at.
  
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  - zaphod@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    DLSS is short for Deep Learning Super Sampling, it does the upscaling using deep learning, what people also call AI. The upscaler has to be trained on images. Depending on how you train it you either get something that looks almost exactly the same as the game at a higher resolution or you get AI slop.
    
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  - givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    Not really,
    
    Nvidia just calls everything DLSS…
    
    Like, it’s basically an anthology label at this point. If they think it’s a good idea, they call.it DLSS #
    
    For example DLSS 4 was frame generation, nothing to do with super sampling.
    
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- dan1101@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I think that’s accurate. It’s making something out of nothing, which will certainly be graphics but not necessarily exactly what the game is supposed to look like.
  
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SalamenceFury@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Yeah no at this point nuke the whole fucking company.

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otacon239@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
They’re being very careful about cutting almost immediately after the DLSS is turned on. It all looks like printed media, not actual video. There’s something very off about the way the details just sort of track along the normals of the surface. Maybe something I’d enable as a novelty in a few rare cases, but certainly not something I’d use to replace any existing solutions.

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- Tywele@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  You can see more of it in action in the Digital Foundry video.
  
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  - nfreak@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    The stills are dogshit enough but this actually looks so much worse in motion lmao
    
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  - SGforce@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Yeah, that Resident Evil scene looks like a mock-up. The Oblivion remake and Skyfield look like it’s just the lighting and specular.
    
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sheridan@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
What happens when you apply this to a game in a cartoonish style? Is it going to look like those unsettling renders of the Simpsons characters with life like human skin?

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- PonyOfWar@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  It’s probably gonna turn all characters into AI Anime Waifus.
  
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Solemarc@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Looking at the first comparison I thought it was pretty good, but weird that they changed her hair though.

Then I got to all the comparison shots in the NVIDIA blog post and noticed it basically just brightens dark scenes, relights characters and eats background detail, this looks very half baked to me.

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username_1@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
The right image looks more realistic. Where exactly is the problem? Do you prefer smooth glossy doll-like models? I’m sure this “filter” will be optional.

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- Noja@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  The textures are flat on purpose so the AI filter looks “more detailed” in comparison.
  
  They don’t have to be like this, see this Callisto Protocol 2022 screenshot no weird AI filter needed.
  
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  - PDFuego@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago
    
    The textures are flat on purpose so the AI filter looks “more detailed” in comparison.
    
    Definitely. Boot up the game and look at the actual graphics. Their “OFF” pictures look terrible.
    
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- nfreak@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  bruh it looks like shit lmao
  
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- zaphod@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  It looks like it applied some make-up and changed the hair colour.
  
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- carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  it doesn’t look “more realistic”, it completely changes the character’s appearance: hair that looks dyed, redder, fuller lips, more prominent cheekbones, a more defined chin, and eyes that instead of kinda looking away avoidedly, now stare at your soul through the screen (although that one might be just the lighting, idk)
  
  basically this except more subtle, but the idea is the same, make her look more attractive under the guise of realism. it’s gross on its own, but the implications are even worse imo, just giving gooner chuds the tools to turn any game into the porn of their dreams, fuck art amirite? it’s literally turning everything you see on the computer into slop
  
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- newthrowaway20@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  How about the part where they had to use 2 RTX 5090’s to do this? One for the game and one for DLSS 5?
  
  Please try and justify that.
  
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- Psychodelic@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Yea it looks way better on the right. lol. People just wanna be mad. Just assume they’re bots and ignore the chirping
  
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  - nfreak@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I too have a complete and total disregard for artstyles
    
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  - Klear@quokk.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I’m going to assume they’re confused about which is left and which is right.
    
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- IAmYouButYouDontKnowYet@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  It honestly just looks like color, contrast, and sharpening changes…
  
  I hate ai too but this seems like it’s just blatant anti ai propaganda.
  
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- Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I still don’t understand all the extreme anti-ai cult in these types of contexts. Oh well.
  
  Whatever ai did, the right image looks better than the left.
  
  I honestly think the anti ai thing has a lot of crowd mentality aspects to it. There’s reasons to dislike some of what big ai business is doing, more reasons to push for regulation. But this specific example? I got nothin…
  
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  - greybeard@feddit.online ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
    If only Leonardo de Vinci had a camera, can you imagine how much better the Mona Lisa would have been? /s
    
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SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
How much does this increase my carbon footprint?

Am I able to compete with the likes of Taylor Swift or Elon Musk if I use this?

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Zoldyck@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
They have completely lost their minds

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FrankLaskey@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
DLSS does of course does use machine learning (transformers or CNNs) which you can call AI if you want, but I think there may be a bit of a misunderstanding about what this new version is actually doing. If you watch the video or read the breakdown they note that DLSS 5 is NOT replacing or altering the original graphical assets in the game with generated ones. There’s no new textures or 3d models being changed here. It only alters the lighting of the game to add more realistic shadows and reflections etc. It’s just that it does that so extensively that it gives the impression of being an almost entirely different image. Kinda nuts that lighting can do that but that is apparently what is happening here.

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- Carnelian@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
  So, two things,
  
  which you can call AI if you want
  
  This is from their official blog post, emphasis mine:
  
  DLSS 5 is the GPT moment for graphics — blending hand-crafted rendering with generative AI to deliver a dramatic leap in visual realism while preserving the control artists need for creative expression
  
  So, Nvidia themselves are the ones calling it AI
  
  Second thing,
  
  DLSS 5 is NOT replacing or altering the original graphical assets in the game with generated ones
  
  I think they low key shot themselves in the foot with this particular comparison. The AI screenshot is actually from a frame (or however many frames) later in the scene. If you look closely you can see her mouth has actually opened slightly, and she appears to be in the process of rotating her head.
  
  The end result is her lips are unquestionably larger in the AI image. Like if you bring the comparison slider directly to the middle, the bottom of her lip is lower while the top is higher. It has a pretty profound effect on the overall image.
  
  Combine that with the hair highlights and makeup being so much more pronounced and the whole comparison is waaaay too similar to the “anti-feminism” filter thing that went viral in recent memory
  
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kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
I’ve seen prerendered indie games do this deliberately. I do NOT understand it, at all.

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kepix@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
actually helps out in the sports games. ea has the same lightning like they had in 2006, so this takes it up to speed to 2020. however real games gonna look arse. alao 2 x 5090 cards required, donno who the fuck is the demographic. also thanks for killing dual gpu support so you could bring a shit one back.

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Gork@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I can see this being jarring as current AI implementation of this kinda thing in videos leads to inconsistent facial features which can have an uncanny valley effect.

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heavyboots@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
This was definitely something I predicted like a year or so ago. Richard Burns Rally will continue to be the default rally sim, but they will never bother to update the 2004 game engine. Rather at some point, AI will literally start MITM capturing all the 2004 graphical output and converting it to photorealistic modern graphics that are output to your screen instead.

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half_built_pyramids@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Lol it gave her low income girl eyes and dyed roots

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Boiglenoight@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil…I think the right picture looks better.

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