Lutris now being built with Claude AI, developer decides to hide it after backlash

Submitted ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨tonytins@pawb.social⁩ to ⁨games@lemmy.world⁩

https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2026/03/lutris-now-being-built-with-claude-ai-developer-decides-to-hide-it-after-backlash/

A user asked on the official Lutris GitHub two weeks ago “is lutris slop now” and noted an increasing amount of “LLM generated commits”. To which the Lutris creator replied:

It’s only slop if you don’t know what you’re doing and/or are using low quality tools. But I have over 30 years of programming experience and use the best tool currently available. It was tremendously helpful in helping me catch up with everything I wasn’t able to do last year because of health issues / depression.

There are massive issues with AI tech, but those are caused by our current capitalist culture, not the tools themselves. In many ways, it couldn’t have been implemented in a worse way but it was AI that bought all the RAM, it was OpenAI. It was not AI that stole copyrighted content, it was Facebook. It wasn’t AI that laid off thousands of employees, it’s deluded executives who don’t understand that this tool is an augmentation, not a replacement for humans.

I’m not a big fan of having to pay a monthly sub to Anthropic, I don’t like depending on cloud services. But a few months ago (and I was pretty much at my lowest back then, barely able to do anything), I realized that this stuff was starting to do a competent job and was very valuable. And at least I’m not paying Google, Facebook, OpenAI or some company that cooperates with the US army.

Anyway, I was suspecting that this “issue” might come up so I’ve removed the Claude co-authorship from the commits a few days ago. So good luck figuring out what’s generated and what is not. Whether or not I use Claude is not going to change society, this requires changes at a deeper level, and we all know that nothing is going to improve with the current US administration.

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Cyv_@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I mean, I get if you wanna use AI for that, it’s your project, it’s free, you’re a volunteer, etc. I’m just not sure I like the idea that they’re obscuring that it was made with AI. I imagine it was done to reduce constant arguments about it, but I’d still prefer transparency.

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- tonytins@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I tried fitting AI into my workloads just as an experiment and failed. It’ll frequently reference APIs that don’t even exist or over engineer the shit out of something could be written in just a few lines of code. Often it would be a combo of the two.
  
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  - Scrollone@feddit.it ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Yeah I mean. It’s not like AI can think. It’s just a glorified text predictor, the same you have on your phone keyboard
    
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  - Vlyn@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    You might genuinely be using it wrong.
    
    At work we have a big push to use Claude, but as a tool and not a developer replacement. And it’s working pretty damn well when properly setup.
    
    Mostly using Claude Sonnet 4.6 with Claude Code. It’s important to run /init and check the output, that will produce a CLAUDE.md file that describes your project (which always gets added to your context).
    
    Important: Review everything the AI writes, this is not a hands-off process. For bigger changes use the planning mode and split tasks up, the smaller the task the better the output.
    
    Claude Code automatically uses subagents to fetch information, e.g. API documentation. Nowadays it’s extremely rare that it hallucinates something that doesn’t exist. It might use outdated info and need a nudge, like after the recent upgrade to .NET 10 (But just adding that info to the project context file is enough).
    
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  - CompassRed@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    The symptoms you describe are caused by bad prompting. If an AI is providing over-complicated solutions, 9 times out of 10 it’s because you didn’t constrain your problem enough. If it’s referencing tools that don’t exist, then you either haven’t specified which tools are acceptable or you haven’t provided the context required for it to find the tools. You may also be wanting too much out of AI. You can’t expect it to do everything for you. You still have to do almost all the thinking and engineering if you want a quality project - the AI is just there to write the code. Sure, you can use an AI to help you learn how to be a better engineer, but AIs typically don’t make good high-level decisions. Treat AI like an intern, not like a principal engineer.
    
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  - Fatal@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    At a minimum, the agent should be compiling the code and running tests before handing things back to you. “It references non-existent APIs” isn’t a modern problem.
    
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  - yucandu@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I create custom embedded devices with displays and I’ve found it very useful for laying things out. Like asking it to take secondly wind speed and direction updates and build a Wind Rose out of it, with colored sections in each petal denoting the speed… it makes mistakes but then you just go back and reiterate on those mistakes. I’m able to do so much more, so much faster.
    
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  - aloofPenguin@piefed.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I had the same experience. Asked a local LLM about using sole Qt Wayland stuff for keyboard input, a the only documentation was the official one (which wasn’t a lot for a noob), no.examples of it being used online, and with all my attempts at making it work failing. it hallucinated some functions that didn’t exist, even when I let it do web search (NOT via my browser). This was a few years ago.
    
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- stsquad@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I expect because it wasn’t a user - just a random passer by throwing stones on their own personal crusade. The project only has two major contributors who are now being harassed in the issues for the choices they make about how to run their project.
  
  Someone might fork it and continue with pure artisanal human crafted code but such forks tend to die off in the long run.
  
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- XLE@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Considering the amount of damage AI has done to well-funded projects like Windows and Amazon’s services, I agree with this entirely. It might be crucial to help fix bigger issues down the line.
  
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- Fizz@lemmy.nz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I’m the opposite. Its weird to me for someone to add an AI as a co author. Submit it as normal.
  
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  - svtdragon@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    It’s mostly not a thing developers do. It’s a thing the tools themselves do when asked to make a commit.
    
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nialv7@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
you can criticise them but ultimately they are a unpaid developer making their work freely available to the benefit of us all. at least don’t harass the developer.

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- TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  You make a fair point, but I feel like the trolling reaction they gave was asking for more backlash. Not responding was probably the best move.
  
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  - Zos_Kia@jlai.lu ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    It’s typical of dev burnout, though. Communication starts becoming more impulsive and less constructive, especially in the face of conflicts of opinions.
    
    I’ve seen it play a few times already. A toxic community will take a dev who’s already struggling, troll them, screenshot their problematic responses, and use that in a campaign across relevant places such as github, reddit, lemmy… Maybe add a little light harassment on the side, as a treat. It’s a fun activity ! The dev spirals, posts increasingly unhinged responses and often quits as a result.
    
    The fact that the thread is titled “is lutris slop now” is a clear indication that the intention of the poster wasn’t to contribute anything constructive but to attack the dev and put them on their back foot.
    
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  - aksdb@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Trolling? They gave a pretty good answer explaining their reasoning.
    
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- 4am@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  They want to put clanker code that they freely admit they don’t validate into a product that goes on the computers of people who’s experience with Linux is “I heard it’s faster for games”
  
  It’s irresponsible to hide it from review. It doesn’t matter if AI tools got better, AI tools still aren’t perfect and so you still have to do the legwork. Or at least let your community.
  
  Also, you should let your community make ethics decisions about whether to support you.
  
  Overall it was a rash reaction to being pressured rudely in a GitHub thread; but you know AI is a contentious topic and you went in anyway. It’s weak AF to then have a tantrum and spit in the community’s face about it.
  
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  - Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Nothing is being hidden from review. The code is open source. They removed the specific attribution that indicates which parts of the code were created using Claude. That changes absolutely nothing about the ability to review the code, because a code review should not distinguish between human written code and machine written code; all of it should be checked thoroughly. In fact, I would argue that specifically designating code as machine written is detrimental to code review, because there will be a subconscious bias among many reviewers to only focus on reviewing the machine code.
    
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- UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  They are on liberapay if you want to support the project btw. Combined with Patreon, they sit at less than 700$ a week. That’s like half a dev before tax
  
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  - nialv7@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    ? Image
    
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  - kilgore_trout@feddit.it ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    You might as well donate to Anthropic.
    
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- S_H_K@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I agree with you with the current state of things in the world is hard to keep up and easy to complain. I’d say instead of asking the guy to not use AI ask him what he needs for help. He’s clearly stating that he’s in burnout.
  I don’t have the time or skills to help so I wouldn’t go complaining.
  
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- crypt0cler1c@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  They were at least. Now they’re making Claude’s code freely available.
  
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adeoxymus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Tbh I agree, if the code is appropriate why care if it’s generated by an LLM

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- deadcade@lemmy.deadca.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  It’s still made by the slop machine, the same one that could only be created by stealing every human made artwork that’s ever been published. (And this is not “just one company”, every LLM has this issue.)
  
  Not only that, the companies building massive datacenters are taking valuable resources from people just trying to live.
  
  If the developer isn’t able to keep up, they should look for (co-)maintainers. Not turn to the greedy megacorps.
  
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  - bookmeat@fedinsfw.app ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    A few years ago we were all arguing about how copyright is unfair to society and should be abolished.
    
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  - Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    If the developer isn’t able to keep up, they should look for (co-)maintainers.
    
    Same energy as “Just go on Twitter and ask for free voice actors,” a la Vivziepop. People think this kind of shit is super easy, but realistically, it’s nearly impossible to get people to dedicate that kind of effort to something that can never be more than a money sink.
    
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  - silver_wings_of_morning@feddit.dk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Speaking only on the programming part of the slop machine, programmers typically copy code anyways. It’s not an ethical issue for a programmer using a tool that has been trained on other people’s “stolen” code.
    
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  - Goretantath@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Just like how every other human artist learned how to draw by looking at examples their art teacher gave them, aka “stealing it” in your words.
    
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- Dettweiler42@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  It’s all about curation and review. If they use AI to make the whole project, it’s going to be bloated slop. If they use it to write sections that they then review, edit, and validate; then it’s all good.
  
  I’m fairly anti-AI for most current applications, but I’m not against purpose-built tools for improving workflow. I use some of Photoshop’s generative tools for editing parts of images I’m using for training material. Sometimes it does fine, sometimes I have to clean it up, and sometimes it’s so bad it’s not worth it. I’m being very selective, and if the details are wrong it’s no good. In the end, it’s still a photo I took, and it has some necessary touchups.
  
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- drolex@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Ethical issue: products of the mind are what makes us humans. If we delegate art, intellectual works, creative labour, what’s left of us?
  
  Socio-economic issue: if we lose labour to AI, surely the value produced automatically will be redistributed to the ones who need it most? (Yeah we know the answer to this one)
  
  Cultural issue: AIs are appropriating intellectual works and virtually transferring their usufruct to bloody billionaires
  
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- RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Personally, I have never seen LLM generated code that works without needing to be edited, but I imagine for routine blocks of code and very common things it probably does fine. I dont see why a programmer needs to rewrite the same code blocks over and over again for different projects when an LLM can do that part leaving more time for the programmer to write the more specialized parts. The programmer will still have to edit and verify the generated code, but programming is more mechanical than something like art.
  
  However, for more specialized code, I would be concerned. It would likely not function at all without editing, and if it did function it probably wouldn’t be optimized or secure. However, this programmer claims to have 30 years of experience, and if thats the case then he likely knows this and probably edits the LLM output code himself.
  
  As I have said before, Generative AI is a tool, like PhotoShop. I dont see why people should reject a tool if it can make their job easier. It won’t be able to completely replace people effectively. Businesses will try, but quality will drop off because its not being used by people that understand what the end result needs to be, and businesses will inevitably lose money.
  
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  - p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    However, for more specialized code, I would be concerned. It would likely not function at all without editing, and if it did function it probably wouldn’t be optimized or secure.
    
    That’s not completely true. Claude and some of the Chinese coding models have gotten a lot better at creating a good first pass.
    
    That’s also why I like tests. Just force the model to prove that it works.
    
    Oh, you built the thing and think it’s finished? Prove it. Go run it. Did it work? No? Then go fix the bugs. Does it compile now? Cool, run the unit test platform. Got more bugs? Fix them. Now, go write more unit tests to match the bugs you found. You keep running into the same coding issue? Go write some rules for me that tell yourself not to do that shit.
    
    I mean, I’ve been doing this programming shit for many decades, and even I’ve been caught by my overconfidence of trying to write some big project and thinking it’s just going to work the first time. No reason to think even a high-powered Claude thinking model is going to magically just write the whole thing bug-free.
    
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- criss_cross@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  If a human is reviewing the code they submit and owning the changes I don’t care if they use an LLM or not. It’s when you just throw shit at the wall and hope it sticks that’s the problem.
  
  I’m more concerned with the admitted OpenClaw usage. That’s a hydrogen bomb heading straight for a fireworks factory.
  
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  - pivot_root@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    It’s the same for me.
    
    I don’t care if somebody uses Claude or Copilot if they take ownership and responsibility over the code it generates. If they ask AI to add a feature and it creates code that doesn’t fit within the project guidelines, that’s fine as long as they actually clean it up.
    
    I’m more concerned with the admitted OpenClaw usage. That’s a hydrogen bomb heading straight for a fireworks factory.
    
    This is the problem I have with it too. Using something that vulnerable to prompt injection to not only write code but commit it as well shows a complete lack of care for bare minimum security practices.
    
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  - obelisk_complex@piefed.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Yikes. Hadn’t heard about the openclaw use. That stack scares the bejeezus out of me.
    
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- Iheartcheese@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Yeah. Call me if he starts using AI artwork.
  
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  - wholookshere@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    so you draw the line at stealing artists work, but not programmers work?
    
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- XLE@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  “If”
  
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- Kowowow@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I want to one day make a game and there is no way I’m not prototyping it with llm code, though I would want to get things finalized by a real coder if I ever got the game finished but I’ve never made real progress on learning code even in school
  
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- The_Blinding_Eyes@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  While I know there is more nuance than this, but why should I spend any of my time on something, when you spent no time creating it? I know that applies more to the slop, but that’s where I am with most LLM generated stuff.
  
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r1veRRR@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
From his perspective, he’s investing his free time and likely money into a project for people that are 99% of the time just leechers, as in they never contribute back and only complain.

Now he has a tool that he feels helps him deal with all that FREE labor is doing for everyone, and the very same people now want to tell him how to do his FREE labor he does for them.

I completely understand being pissed off by that.

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- qaeta@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I mean, a reasonable person would choose to stop rather than becoming an unethical egotistical fuckwit…
  
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  - kungen@feddit.nu ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    A reasonable person would have forked the repo and maintained the project themselves, or used something else. I’m also deathly allergic to LLM code, but I don’t come into someone else’s free project and tell them how they should live their life.
    
    But I agree that it was bad style to remove the co-author attribute. He should have just said “yeah, I slop, so what?”
    
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  - rookbrood@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    This feels like this is an unreasonable take… Is it really egotistical?
    
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- Auli@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  So he is no longer maintaining it and Claude is. And what bullahit choose a company that doesn’t work with the military. Does he know what the military is using eight now at this very instance for AI.
  
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  - Stitch0815@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    wtf are you talking about
    
    AI is a tool
    
    Claude does not take over any maintainer position.
    
    You are just inventing facts to be online.
    
    Don’t use lutris if you disagree with him.
    
    But don’t harass the dev
    
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JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I really hate this new trend of FOSS developers being attacked and harassed for using AI. You might not like if they are using AI. Or you might not like AI at all, but there’s no reason to harass people who are providing you free software. Let them develop it like they want. If you don’t like that they used AI, use another software. Or fork the software before they started using AI. But attacking people like that is not okay on so many levels. It’s not okay to attack people for the software they are using. It’s not okay to attack developers providing a free service and it’s not okay to attack people at all.

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- alekwithak@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Transparency. The developer lied and then stopped crediting Claude.
  
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  - FauxLiving@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    That’s twisting the order of events.
    
    The developer was marking code when AI was used.
    
    Anti-AI drones started harassing him in Discord, the forums and Github PRs
    
    The developer stopped marking code when AI was used.
    
    The Anti-AI assholes are not participating in development in good faith, this is a harassment campaign. He’s taking steps to mitigate the harassment.
    
    The fault and blame here is entirely on the people who thought it was okay to dog pile on a volunteer developer.
    
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  - lorthirk@feddit.it ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Claude must be really upset about this. But other people?
    
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- JackbyDev@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Or better yet, try to find why they’re using it and help fill those gaps by contributing.
  
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- selokichtli@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I’m not so sure anymore whether THEY are providing FOSS or just approving slop PRs. I do not like harassment at all, even less against a guy that says is/was dealing with depression. That’s why I comment here. Being said that, it’s kind of a jerk move to just hide the fact he is using this tool for development under his own name. As a teacher, few things would make me more mad than having a student doing this.
  
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  - JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I mean does it really matter? people are using his software and it is totally irrelevant how he is developing it. It doesn’t matter if he is scribbling it on paper or using VS Code or something else or an AI tool. He can develop the software as he likes. You can walz into an open source project and demand that the project has to work according to your own standards. We are not in school - in school the cheating with AI is hindering your learning progress, but if you want to use a coding agent as adult, just do it. And you don’t have to disclose it because why should you? You also don’t disclose that you are using code auto-completion or some other technology.
    
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- TrumpetX@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Amen
  
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- ilickfrogs@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  The only degenerates attacking open source devs wouldn’t even have the capacity to vibe code something themselves. Literal losers. If they’re so much better than the devs, fork it and make it yourself fucktard.
  
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HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Somehow hiding the code feels worse than using the code. This whole thing is yuck.

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- Holytimes@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Well when you have a massive problem of harassment, death threats and fucking retarded shit stains screaming at every single dev that is even theorized to use ai regardless if it’s true or not.
  
  I blame fucking no one for hiding the fact.
  
  This is on the users not the dev. The users are fucking animals and created this very problem.
  
  Blaming the wrong people and attacking them is the yuck.
  
  Scream at the executives and giant corpos who created the problem not some random indie dev using a tool.
  
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  - Auli@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Then just quit it isn’t worth it. I know AI has uses and is useful.
    
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- Ephera@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Yeah, management wants us to use AI at $DAYJOB and one of the strategies we’ve considered for lessening its negative impact on productivity, is to always put generated code into an entirely separate commit.
  
  Because it will guess design decisions at random while generating, and you want to know afterwards whether a design decision was made by the randomizer or by something with intelligence. Much like you want to know whether a design decision was made by the senior (then you should think twice about overriding this decision) or by the intern that knows none of the project context.
  
  We haven’t actually started doing these separate commits, because it’s cumbersome in other ways, but yeah, deliberately obfuscating whether the randomizer was involved, that robs you of that information even more.
  
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super_user_do@feddit.it ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I understand the hatred towards AI, but people gotta understand that there’s a difference between coding with AI and Vibecoding. They are DIFFERENT THINGS! AI is userful, what is not are both vibecoding and shaming a developer with 30 years of real world experience with no AI support for using it for once. Using AI is ok if you do that critically and with common sense

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- PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  If it’s making commits for you you’re vibe coding.
  
  I use it at work, I use it for troubleshooting and if I get it to generate anything for me, I stage them and review them before committing myself
  
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  - r1veRRR@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    No, vibe coding explicitly requires NEVER looking at the actual code. I can give claude a ticket, it creates a plan. I review that plan, maybe change some things. Then claude does the thing. I review the code, then tell claude to fix X. Then I test, then I tell claude to create a commit.
    
    There we have claude creating a commit without any of it being vibe coded
    
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  - fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Jokes on you, I’ve used it to untangle messy git problems (with a backup of course).
    
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- Reygle@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Pass
  
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  - yabbadabaddon@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Please, go ahead and remove everything “AI” in your life. No social media. No GPS. No assist when driving or being driven. No streaming of any kind. No meteo apps. Ask your boss to remove everything related to prevision in his company. Ask your doctor to not use any tool to help his diagnosis if you have a scanner for cancer.
    
    Let’s see how many of those you can “pass”. Or let’s see if it helps you develop a critical mind about to use which tool for which job and how to use it.
    
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- yabbadabaddon@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Are you asking people to be rational? What kind of monster are you
  
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  - Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    It is more nuance than rationality.
    
    There are plenty of reasons to hate on AI. But in the end they are just tools to automate things. It depends entirely on how it is being used. With enough effort and most importantly checking the output, you can create things faster while still keeping the same quality as before.
    
    Calling anything that even slightly touched an LLM “slop” and crawling in a fetus position while crying is a lot less rational. These people have no idea about the real world.
    
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- flop_leash_973@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  You are correct but people in general are pretty bad at subtly and grey area. Just look at the current state of political discourse in the US. Probably half the people that support the likes of Trump do so because they like black/white binary choice and can’t handle shades of grey in their life emotionally.
  
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magikmw@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Worth mentioning that the user that started the issue jumps around projects and creates inflammatory issues to the same effect. I’m not surprised lutris’ maintainer went off like they did, the issue is not made with good faith.

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southsamurai@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Yeah, this is actually one of the good things a technology like this can do.

He’s dead right, in terms of slop, if it’s someone with training and experience using a tool, it doesn’t matter if that tool is vim or claude. It ain’t slop if it’s built right.

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Katana314@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
To admit some context: My company has strongly encouraged some AI usage in our coding. They also encourage us to be honest about how helpful, or not, it is. Usually, I tell them it turns out a lot of garbage and once in a while helps make a lengthy task easier.

I can believe him about there being a sweet spot; where it’s not used for everything, only for processes that might have taken a night of manual checks. The very real, very reasonable backlash to it is how easily a poor management team or overconfident engineer will fall away from that sweet spot, and merge stuff that hasn’t had enough scrutiny.

Even Bernie Sanders acknowledged on the senate floor that in a perfect world, where AI is owned by people invested in world benefit, moderate AI use could improve many people’s lives. It’s just sad that in 99.9% of cases, we’re not anywhere near that perfect world.

I don’t totally blame the dev for defending his use of AI backed by industry experience, if he’s still careful about it. But I also don’t blame people who don’t trust it. It’s kind of his call, and if the avoidance of AI is important enough to you, I’d say fork it. I think it’s a small red flag, but not nearly enough of one for me to condemn the project.

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Crozekiel@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
AI is actively destroying the environment and harming people. Data centers have been caught using methane burner generators (which are banned for use by the EPA) which significantly increase health risk to residents that live nearby (cancer and asthma rates already significantly increased). Then you have the ridiculous effects it is having on computer hardware markets, energy and water infrastructure and prices.

Then after all of that, the AI themselves are hallucinating somewhere in the neighborhood of 25% of the time, and multiple studies have found that people that use them regularly are losing their own skills.

I can’t figure out why people would choose to use them. I can’t figure out why programming is the one place where people that might have otherwise been considered experts in the field are excited to use them. Writers, artists, lawyers, doctors, basically every other professional field that AI companies have suggested these would be good for, they get trashed by experts in the fields for making garbage. I have a hard time believing the only thing AI can do well is write code when it sucks so badly at everything else it does. Does development suck this much? Do developers have so little idea what they are doing that this seems like a good idea?

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Omega_Jimes@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I don’t support the use of AI tools in general, but i have a soft spot for long-term maintainers. These people generally don’t have enough support for this to be a full-time hobby, and when a project becomes popular the pressure is massive.

If the community wont step up to take the burden off the maintainer, but they still want active development, what can you do? As long as the program continues to be high quality, i cant complain about a free thing.

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darkangelazuarl@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
If he’s using like an IDE and not vibe coding then I don’t have much issue with this. His comment indicates that he has a brain and uses it. So many people just turn off their brain when they use AI and couldn’t even write this comment I just wrote without asking AI for assistance.

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ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Honestly, unfortunately, I agree. It IS unfortunately helpful, and if you’re a competent developer using AI tooling, you can make sure it doesn’t generate slop.

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theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
While I may not agree that letting AI write the code is a good idea, the complaints are dumber. It’s open source. Just fork it if you have a problem with it.

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Skankhunt420@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Open source stuff is awesome and I really like people improving Linux in their spare time

But, to do it this way is basically saying “fuck you” to the community which is fucked up.

Could have talked about how AI helps him or how he uses it for templates or whatever and damn even if I didn’t agree with those points either that’s a lot better than being like “alright good luck finding it now then bitch”

I wouldn’t mess with anything this guy does anymore after this.

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SuspciousCarrot78@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
If he’d just forgone that last paragraph…

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Captain_Stupid@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
To be honest I don’t give a shit if a dev uses AI or not. As long as the code does what it is suppost to. In my personal experience AI, while still not anywhere near to capabilitys of a decent dev, can sometimes find and fix errors that I would have missed.

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arcine@jlai.lu ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Oops. Guess I’m uninstalling Lutris.

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peacefulpixel@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
if you’re going to stoop so low as to use fucking AI have the decency to show it so people with actual standards know to avoid it. but to be fair, a cat n mouse game of whether it was used or not would make me avoid it anyway

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super_user_do@feddit.it ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Im.not against the usage of AI in general. The problem only comes up if the human literally relies on it, but if you are using it for learning, quickly scrolling documentation or make code in a critical manner and with years of normal programming experience, that’s fine. Bro had 30 years of development experience so I guess he knows what good code looks like

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Etterra@discuss.online ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Hiding it won’t make the code any better genius.

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forrgott@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Up until recently, Lutris worked perfectly for me. Ever since around the release of Wine 11, though, cant get anything to even install, let alone play. This might explain my increasing frustration with the app.

Guess I’m going back to using Bottles for the odd game or app I don’t feel like trying to shoehorn into steam.

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jumjummy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
The AI hate crowd on Lemmy is pretty insufferable. Same folks would be complaining about Cloud tech back in the day.

Know the limits of AI and use it appropriately. Completely shunning AI is just silly.

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Evotech@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Moral of the story is don’t let Claude do commits. It insists on crediting itself

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aksdb@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Does everything have to be a god damn culture war now?! I really don’t give a fuck how people do their work. Judge the outcome not the workflow. No one gave a damn how sloppy some developers hacked together solutions that are widely used. But suddenly it’s an issue if coding agents are used? WTF.

Stop the damn polarization for completely irrelevant things; we get polarized enough for political reasons; we don’t have to bring even more dissent into our communities and fuck each other up with in-fighting.

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utopiah@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Won’t repeat what I wrote just hours ago in lemmy.world/post/44130119/22616090 but just the ending :

"I would personally consider instead Bottles, GOG (have different problems), Steam (obviously not open source and basically monopolistic position), etc.

Overall I think preventing discussion is healthy (even though sadly sometimes needed, here I lack context, maybe the issue poster did this numerous time on other platforms, title definitely was provocative) but removing provenance is NEVER a good choice. They want to use Claude on their repo? Absolutely fine (even though not to me) but hiding it makes it instantly untrustworthy to me. In fact I even argued in the past that even though I personally do not use GenAI/LLMs (for coding or otherwise) except for testing it should always be disclosed precisely so that others can make THEIR choice in consequence, including using or contributing, cf …benetou.fr/…/AgainstPoorArtificialIntelligencePr…"

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lohky@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
There hasn’t been anything I haven’t been able to run between Heroic and Steam. I didn’t like using lutris anyway. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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TheSeveralJourneysOfReemus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
the temptation of using claude code is probably higher than it looks like for a single dev, I think. Hey, in the end one can just have this in their IDE and essentially have your own unpaid intern. It’s a fairly new situation.

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bold_omi@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
AI is immeasurably shitty, both in terms of code quality and of morality. The fact that this developer is hiding his use of it from his community is despicable. I will never use Lutris again, nor will I allow PRs from this developer on any repos of mine. Fuck AI, and fuck strycore (deceitful bastard and Lutris “developer”).

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