So this, but Discord.
Discord delays global age verification rollout after backlash - Dexerto
Submitted 2 weeks ago by Itwasntme223@discuss.online to technology@lemmy.world
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SnoringEarthworm@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
riquisimo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
This is SO GOOD
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 2 weeks ago
Too late biiiiiiiiiitch we already had our exodus.
XLE@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Where’d we go though? Which place with the streaming and chatting?
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 2 weeks ago
XMPP with their myriad of gnu-ified clients.
defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I’ve been using Matrix for about a decade. Federated, encrypted chats and rooms (optional), supports video, self hostable, fully open source.
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I setup a Haven (Github) self-hosted instance and am slowly dragging friends over as the dev pumps out features. All the important stuff is already available, still more on the way. Also has things like E2E, which I don’t care about for my community/server, but it is nice to have.
Zedstrian@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
“Too late” isn’t even relevant anyway, they’re still doing it, so everyone should still be leaving.
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 2 weeks ago
I’d argue its completely relevant as they are trying to save face here. Anyone who has somehoe made it to 2026 without a hostile relationship to corporations (most red and blue team in America) will probably take this as a sign to come back for now.
imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Delays
not cancels, rolls back, stops or retracts. Delay is just doing something later than expected. This will not bring people back or change their minds.
solarvector@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Absolutely
Even if it was “cancel” that would just be a slightly longer delay.
gusgalarnyk@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Alright, stoat or revolt or anyone else, you’ve got 6 months. I’ll move my group over in 6 months and donate to the best solution. Thanks everyone for pushing back against discord, to the indie devs who are working on alternatives, and to the self-hosting community for making it possible for me to even plan to move off of discord.
chicocheco@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
And why not to give Matrix a chance? Stoat (named Revolt before), Fluxxer or anything else that is centralised is going to end up doing the same.
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Fluxer isn’t entirely centralized. It has self hosting support.
It’s quasi centralized pretty much the same as matrix.
You can just opt to not use the central server for hosting services.
RoboBastard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Because the user experience of Matrix is poor and not currently a sufficient Discord replacement.
gusgalarnyk@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Because from what I can tell Matrix isn’t a good Discord replacement. I’ll spin up a server just to trial it, but every person I’ve talked to who isn’t already on Matrix and every thing I’ve seen or read says it’s not a discord replacement, it’s just a chat app.
Stoat and Fluxer can be self-hosted which is my main desire. Something fully under my control, with my data security, that won’t rely on another service to keep it running (although naturally I rely on the code base being maintained, hence donating as if it was a paid product).
CtrlAltDyeet@anarchist.nexus 2 weeks ago
Yeah that’s what I’m thinking too, stoat, fluxer, whatever, don’t care which, but 6 months now that there is momentum gives me hope they can smooth out the UX
FukOui@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Delaying in hopes that people forget
Furbag@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This is fantastic news! Not because I actually give a shit about sticking with Discord after getting slapped in the face with this insulting age verification nonsense, but because Discord has basically no competition and 6 months will be plenty of time for a real contender to emerge in time for them to shoot themselves in the foot again.
I don’t think Discord actually appreciates how much market share is going to slip away from them in the next 6 months. They were probably better off going through with their clandestine spying plan now while some people might be complacent enough to just comply and provide their ID to get handed over to the fucking Feds.
hperrin@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Oh, cool, I definitely trust them again. 🙄
mriormro@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Lol, already deleted my account.
They can get fucked.
ghewl@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Same here. Deleted and not going back.
TerdFerguson@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yep. Its wasn’t even a question
ZombieMantis@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s just gives Fluxer more time to prepare for the switch 👍
Itwasntme223@discuss.online 2 weeks ago
That’s what my community is doing. We’re going to move to Matrix just to be rid of Discord and then seeing what we want to do next.
DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Programmers with thigh-high striped socks should still take one for the team and work on Fluxer. Seriously!
over_clox@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I just signed up with Fluxer last night and chat with one of my old Discord friends. Fluxer is still very much in beta and under development, but seems to be a pretty promising open source clone of Discord.
thejml@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Oh man, when they get native mobile apps, I’m looking to switch my Mattermost server to Fluxer. I’ve had good luck with Mattermost, but its not truly OSS and its been moving features over to paid enterprise accounts so the time is soon.
odelik@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
You don’t need a native mobile app to use the Progressive Web App (PWA) installation.
Bonje@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
As much as I like a lot of the discord alternatives out there I fear they will all eventually face the same fate. Decentralised or someone wrapping the signal protocol into a discord like client is probably the only way to avoid this again.
ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Fluxer plans federation in the future, and its AGPL licensed.
However, it’s still in beta, and the backend’s ability to scale is currently unproven.
For something that’s more proven, we have Movim, which is already federated with the open standard XMPP protocol.
zewm@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Well I mean Fluxer is open source and have self hosting options on their roadmap. 🤷♂️
boatswain@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
I’m still hopeful about veilid.com but I suspect that’s a long way out; the protocol is still in development stages, let alone implementations of it.
j4k3@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Is fluxer as network f’ed up as Discord without the minimum democratic standard of human readable domains, or is it the slavery of dozens of undocumented raw IP addresses?
over_clox@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Honestly I have no idea yet, as I only heard of it and signed up last night. I am optimistic though…
jedibob5@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
As much I agree with the idea of abandoning Discord - honestly, fuck 'em - I just don’t know how I or many other people could practically make the full switch… While I might be able to convince a few of my close friends to go with me to whatever new platform comes about, there’s just no way any larger communities would be able to uproot and leave without losing 90%+ of their members, and that’s only if the owners of those communities are even willing to leave in the first place. Inertia is a powerful thing, and the reality of the situation is that the vast majority of Discord users will not be convinced to leave over this.
I want to defend my privacy, and I want to tell these corporate ghouls to shove it, but at the same time, I don’t want to become a digital hermit. Having to decide between protecting my privacy and cutting myself off from so many valued social connections and communities feels like an impossible choice.
I know I’m not saying anything particularly new or actionable here, I’m just… tired. I’m tired of having to flee from platform after platform into increasingly smaller and more insular corners of the internet to escape the endless cycle of enshittification. I’m tired of what the internet has become, where the only places left where you can exist without being manipulated and exploited by corporate interests are a handful of small, decentralized platforms that are becoming increasingly cut off from the internet at large. I’m just tired of this shit, man.
ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
I feel like this article was written for you, based on your last paragraph (the author definitely relates).
Imaginary_Stand4909@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Thanks, this article was great. I guess I’ll finally check out XMPP, cause Matrix was… really mid when I tried it a few months ago and put me off. SimpleX was a mess too.
Side note, I get that the movim UI/Client is web only, but does that mean I can’t access Conversations.im (I know the app/client itself is Android only) on movim? I feel a little ashamed that I can’t understand this…
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Still never using again
Eternal192@anarchist.nexus 2 weeks ago
Delay all you want bitch i’m already gone.
dhruv3006@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
But a true easy to use discord alternative is still not there.
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Fluxer exists and is a near 1:1 drop in replacement.
It’s current only real problem is the servers are overloaded. But it has a self host option to bypass that very problem.
BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
A bigger problem than a technical alternative is convincing all of your friends to switch.
There are multiple other programs that fill a similar niche, but I don’t know I’ll be able to get everyone I know to change over.
I definitely will discontinue using Discord if they deploy this surveillance state bullshit, but a little bit sad over the number of gaming buddies I’ll lose contact with in the process.
parricc@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It will take a while for a full on replacement to be viable. People need move to this kind of stuff with friends and small groups for now. As time goes on, the infrastructure and community momentum will build out and make moving feasible for larger groups, though. That’s to say, if you’ve got a massive Discord server with 10 thousand people, 100 different channels, and complex bots, you can’t simply knee jerk move it overnight without destroying the community. Number one, the community has to want to move. A switch of that nature starts with people using other options alongside Discord. When there’s enough people using something else, there needs to be a good plan laid out for how to build out the new server and make the switch seamless for the users.
Zanathos@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Waiting for a C&D from Discord. I’m avoiding on that premise alone.
tb_@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I think it looks promising, but it’s still very early days. Hopefully they can gain more traction.
Joeffect@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
fluxer.app looks promising
veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
wdym there’s been good alternatives to Discord for decades.
poke@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
This is just not true at all, only recently have alternatives started to spring up that even get close to the number of features and level of polish that discord has (note, discord still has plenty of issues, I’m not saying its perfect)
glitchdx@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m in the process of migrating my community to Stoat (formerly Revolt). It’s janky as all balls because new platform, but it’s going well.
bluelander@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
For chat: IRC, Stoat, Fluxer, Root, Zulip, Matrix, Slack, Teams, Guilded.
For voice/video: Mumble, Teamspeak, Jitsi Meet, also several of the above.
Nalivai@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
There is a bunch of stuff that can become an alternative, if the users will come.
Demdaru@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
TeamSpeak 6 and Slate? Didn’t use the second one.
Toes@ani.social 2 weeks ago
ts6 has poor Linux support currently.
Hopefully it’s improved soon.
jaykrown@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The matrix protocol is actually easy to use, it just takes a bit of effort to get into. Once you’re in, then it’s as easy as Discord, I haven’t had any issues and it’s been a great learning experience. joinmatrix.org
JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
This is bullshit. I’m sorry. I’ve tried signing up on like three servers with Element Classic and Element X and all of them fail. Maybe I’ve just gotten incredibly unlucky with the instances I’ve picked, but it’s been a much tougher time than joining Lemmy was.
I have an old matrix.org account I can use, but it’s asking me to get something from a currently logged in session, which I don’t have any. I saved all the files and phrases it asked me to when I joined originally, but it isn’t enough. It’s a possibility I missed one, but the fact that I do have a file and phrase saved in my password manager is evidence I was saving what it and me to.
If worst comes to worst I can just use matrix.org, but I know that Matrix’s “federated but de facto centralized” problem is much worse than Lemmy’s (lemmy.world is big but not a majority, but I think a majority of people use matrix.org) and I’m trying to help fix that.
It’s just frustrating. I want Matrix to be the Discord replacement but it’s a pain in the ass currently. And Discord is so many things to do many people. It’s voice for some, streaming for some, and for a lot it’s the fact that it’s DMs, chats, servers, voice, and streaming all in one and with a very large user base. Matrix, to my knowledge, is only chats, servers (or more properly rooms in Matrix, since they have real servers), and DMs. Back when I used it more frequently it wasn’t super active. Especially for really niche activities. And don’t even get me started on the state of NSFW matrix, I went down that rabbit hole and one of the top results was MAP stuff (pedophiles). There’s also just a huge amount of furry stuff, which isn’t inherently a problem, but when it seems like there’s dozens of NSFW furry rooms and a top result on search is talking about which servers and rooms are sympathetic to pedophiles and the folks most likely to be leaving Discord are the ones who were doing NSFW things because that’s what’s actually age restricted I can’t really evangelize Matrix as a good replacement.
This sort of turned into more of a rant than I intended. It’s just frustrating.
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
We still have to leave discord. But another months to to discard Discord will help. Remember don’t use anything that you can’t self hose, corporations are completely untrustworthy
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Until the bad press dies down. Fuck’em.
anon_8675309@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Delays…
yardratianSoma@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
As if backlash matters to them. There’s 200+ million active daily users. They’re are betting on the majority not giving a fuck, and they are right.
I try and try again to convince my friends to leave discord, but they don’t care. So guess what? I’ll just find new friends, fuck discord.
Seriously, I already deleted my discord account once before, because their terms of service already were claiming that all private messages and channel messages are being collected to sold to advertisers and data collection groups. I only joined back because I missed my friends. But now?? I could give a fuck, I already spun up Sharkord, and it runs well. In 6 months time, it will likely be good enough to completely ditch discord, so fuck it. My privacy matters more than friends who don’t use their damn brains.
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
They don’t even need the majority to not give a fuck. Just the idiots that pay for nitro
Leonardo_da_Vinci@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Are your friends going to share their documents with Discord?
Luci@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
This gives us all more time to find a good alternative!!!
KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Liketearsinrain@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
This is (extremely obvious) vibe coded. Also client side validation for permissions and other security issues
KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Is it really I actually didn’t know, I’m sort of not fluent when it comes to programming, thank you for letting me know.
Can you fill me in on the things that would tip me off in the future?
deacon@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I hope they never recover. No ill will to the working level who would be impacted, but it needs to be clear to companies that this shit is TOXIC to your brand to even consider in 2026.
spicehoarder@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Well of course discord users are pissed off they have to upload their ID. Now their discord kittens will know how old they actually are.
super_user_do@feddit.it 2 weeks ago
The only credible alternative to discord right now that is also free and open source and not completely reliant on venture capital and traditional economics in general is Fluxer.app - The app in itself is extremely promising and provides an almost 1:1 clone to discord with a few nice additions such as federation (which is still not available but in course of making). Unfortunately it is still under maintenance right now but I am willing to wait a little to be able to use something that respects me as a user and human being instead of being milked to death for my data to be taken by big evil corps who’re actively working to suppress our freedom. Free as in freedom, both software and people
TyrionBean@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
As if I’m supposed to take them at their word?
Not bloody likely.
Mwa@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
good because i heard there isnt a good alternative to discord.
MattW03@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
iamdefinitelyoverthirteen@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Has anybody tried fluxer yet?
chunes@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They’re delaying it by six months. They’re banking on this blowing over by then. Fuck discord.
kylian0087@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Let’s hope this gives competitors more time to get things setup well.
Dagnet@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Was about to say this, how nice of discord to give people time to migrate to another service
Jhex@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
this is the second time they have “delayed” the age verification
TheMadCodger@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Same thing happened in 2021-ish when WhatsApp changed their policy that all your information would be shared with Facebook. Outrage pushed it back six months, and then they did it anyway.
Rakonat@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I cancelled my nitro when it was announced they were doing this shady crap and it’s staying cancelled until there is credible assurances they won’t be handing over personal data to the like so palantir and other related goons.
ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Short of regular 3rd party audits, there’s nothing they can do that would assure they’re handling your data with privacy and care. And even that’s a stretch.
Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
The only way you should trust them, or anyone else, is if they don’t collect your personal data at all. There is absolutely no way I’d trust any website or service with information like what they want. All of these laws are explicitly designed to create a digital profile of every person so they can track what you do. It can’t be done safely because it isn’t supposed to be done safely.
Trilogy3452@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Just like WhatsApp did when they introduced the TOS change for WhatsApp for Business
Sabata11792@ani.social 2 weeks ago
Nice, I been struggling getting group chats working in Matrix. I don’t have to rush now.
defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I’d recommend creating a private room and inviting people to it instead. You can optionally enable encryption as well, but keep in mind it has perfect forward secrecy, so people won’t be able to view messages from before they joined.