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Real leftists deal direct combat damage to all nearby oil refineries at the start of their turn
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Submitted 2 weeks ago by Godric@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 2 weeks ago
Godric@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Succinct, you get the cookie!
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
Lets be real, if the US population votes in a democrat that isnt at least as left as Bernie or Mamdani, the US will just incrementally move further and further right. Yes its better to get any democrat over a republican, but it wont save the US long term. Its rotten to the core and needs a healthy cleaning from the inside out.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yes its better to get any democrat over a republican
The cruel joke of it all is that a “moderate” Democrat in year 4 is guaranteed to produce an extremist Republican in year 8. We played this game after Nixon, got a four year reprieve, and then landed on 12 years of Reaganism. We got force-fed Clinton by the corporate wing of the Democratic Party and he immediately shat the bed in the '94 mid-terms, after passing… what? A deficit reduction bill that did nothing to improve the lives of his liberal base?
That’s not even getting into Democrats who are actively hostile to their base voters. From your Jim Justices (who straight up turn coat the day after the election) to your John Fettermans (who mostly just scream and cry about anti-semitism now) to your Kristen Sinemas and Bob Menendezes (fully sold out to corporate interests from inside the party) to your Henry Cuellars and John Whitmires (actively complicit in the Trump regime’s ongoing ethnic purge in his home state of Texas) to your Charlie Crists and Michael Bloombergs (literal former Republicans who become Democrats and then just cost the party elections for the next ten years).
These are the slop candidates the party offers up every two years. I don’t actually know if they’re “better” than Republicans when they all govern exactly the same.
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
I believe those slop candidates are actually overall worse. They prevent the US from going into a charged enough state to enact actual change. They are the pacifier that keeps people inactive.
TrousersMcPants@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah, but like, are we just supposed to let the GOP run wild until this candidate appears or maybe we should just try and go out and vote for people who suck less instead of waiting for a unicorn to run for office
Krono@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
We did that already, we voted for the people who suck less.
They are letting the GOP run wild.
Godric@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yep, if the next candidate isn’t the leftist messiah, it’s not worth bothering with this whole organizing thing.
hobovision@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
the US will just incrementally move further and further right
This is just historically inaccurate. The US has been moving left (on average) since the late 1700s. The US was founded as a slave state in which property owning whites were the only ones who could vote for representatives and only representatives could elect the president. The US committed genocide against the native peoples and annexed territories by imperial conquest. There was no such thing as labor rights until the unions took them barely 100 years ago. We’re still making progress, but not without bumps along the way.
needs a healthy cleaning from the inside out
How?
Seems to me there’s 2 options, the constitutional way and the violent revolution way. So far in our history, the violent revolution way has been started quite a few times and it usually gets stamped out or enough concessions are given that it simmers down. Of course you can’t forget that the biggest one was an unsuccessful right wing revolution, better known as the Civil War.
BarrelAgedBoredom@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Do keep in mind that “incrementally further right” is still fascism at this point. We’re past the point of debate on whether this is a fascist regime or not. Even the best case scenario, a Bernie-like figure will still be ineffective at corralling out descent into the depths of fascism. The state is beyond saving and we need to foster community strength and dual power structures to brace for the collapse and allow us to rebuild in the aftermath
umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
democrats are not leftists.
(and palestine is far from their only genocide)
Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You’re making the liberals upset
They’re too busy blaming voters instead of the godawful campaign. They have zero interest in understanding why there was record low turnout, and instead smugly blame pro-palestinian voices for the loss
umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
victim blaming is a classic right wing deflection!
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
I’d add most Democrats aren’t leftists, there’s some that have progressive ideologies just stuck in a shit system. Now the neo-liberal establishment, sure as fuck aint the left.
GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Calfpupa@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Godric@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Calfpupa@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Hmm seems like you’re missing the part where the checkboxes are the same total, just one is written in off white and not as obvious.
AnarchoEngineer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Honestly, even this edit makes voting for democrats the correct choice. If you can delay the trolley’s destruction, you have more time to attempt to destroy the tracks or kill the driver etc.
uberfreeza@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I mean, isn’t that supposed to be the point? Until progressives get in a position to do things, we should slow the democrats from sliding right even more.
lemonwood@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
This is perfect, thanks. I’ll steal it
Calfpupa@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
This aint no private property, comrade
mlg@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The last time this was posted, it was PugJesus, and he barely agreed to my live example of Imran Khan.
And as a Pakistani, go fuck yourself. My democratically elected leader is in a jail going blind because American imperialism is universal amongst both parties, and Biden signed off on his removal without a second thought.
Even more insult to injury, Imran Khan won his election against a corrupt, voter fraud heavy, and FPTP system as a 3rd party that upset the duopoly after 70+ years.
Twice. Second time while he was in jail.
So now all that manure you people scream about RCV for 3rd parties in the US is laid barren as propaganda from the DNC & RNC to convince you never to vote independent or 3rd party.
Despite the fact the DNC was caught rigging their own primaries to ensure Bernie, a populist independent, would never win.
Twice.
Godric@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
FunkyStuff@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
What a reddit response to a reasonable criticism of your garbage liberal meme.
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Thanks for this information, it’s yet more useful intel.
joyjoy@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Why aren’t we doing anything about the madman driving the trolley?
Godric@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If you can reach the madman on the trolly, reach him! Right now it’s just the lever, and a choice has to be made.
YonicTonic@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
We’re trying, but you keep not listening and saying you have to drive down one of two tracks.
Windex007@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The difference between now and 18 months ago is that the shape of the dems had already formed. The groups on the different tracks were already tied down.
Who is the 2028 candidate?
There is time now to pressure the dems to pull Palestine off thier leg of the track.
It isn’t the trolly problem… yet.
Godric@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
100,000%
NOW is the time to get the roots part of grassroots growing.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The lesson of the Trolley Problem is that you need to start thinking about your options before it gets to that point.
FunkyStuff@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
It isn’t. That’s not the lesson at all. It’s supposed to show the difference between consequentialist moral codes and non-consequentialism. Ironically, consequentialism is already assumed to be correct when people post these memes.
join@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Make clear to the democratic machine that the only way to win power, is by including the left in their coalition. This means not voting for them if they don’t, but organizing and voting in primaries to try to force them to do.
This is not an imaginary track, this has worked in the past. If you have to oligarchic parties, you solve nothing by (only) voting for the least bad one.
Godric@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If anyone reading this wants to make this reality, RIGHT NOW is the time to be running or supporting someone who is. Drag the establishment kicking and screaming to the left by winning primaries.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
PRIMARIES TOO!!!
it isn’t enough to yell at non progressive candidates,
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
PRIMARIES TOO!!!
The big mistake Leftists made was not voting in the 2024 Democratic Presidential Primary. Dean Phillips was electable if you’d voted for him.
PaintedSnail@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Then you will need to be aware that by not voting for the more left candidate, we will have a far right government for a couple of cycles at least. This will cost lives and further entrench them into power. It is why we have what we have right now. It will also drive left leaning candidates further right because they are going to cater to the people who actually vote. A far left candidate winning is still possible eventually, but a lot more damage is going to be done to a lot of innocent people in the mean time. Is this a cost you are willing to pay?
FunkyStuff@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Then you will need to be aware that by not voting for the more left candidate, we will have a far right government for a couple of cycles at least. This will cost lives and further entrench them into power.
And yet when the moderate liberal candidate wins and nothing changes, the lesson most regular people learn is that liberals suck and the left gets lumped in with that because this strategy of always ceding ground to the liberals makes the left indistinguishable from libs. It also results in the genocide in Gaza and similar things in the future as climate collapse advances and the contradictions get sharper. So why is there a duty for the left to neuter itself, associate with liberals who actively oppose the socialist agenda, and be complicit in genocide with our tiny amount of power?
DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com 2 weeks ago
So if we do something else, we would have what we have now? Have you considered that what we have now is because Democrats keep nominating terrible candidates? Why are you mad at paying the cost for what Democrats have been doing for decades?
null@piefed.nullspace.lol 2 weeks ago
the only way to win power is by including the left in their coalition
What percentage of eligible voters define themselves as “on the left” and did not vote Democrat in the general election?
FunkyStuff@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Not enough people, that’s why organizing on the ground is more important than electoral campaigns.
nexguy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
So how about doing exactly what your said, primary better candidates… but in the mean time also not have the nazi in office crippling the nation for a few generations. Why handicap yourself?
crusa187@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Here’s the thing about voting in primaries: DNC will try to ratfuck it 8 ways from Sunday to ensure the leftist can’t win. They partake in corrupt backroom deals to this end. Not only is this wholly undemocratic, but it drags the country further right and further into fascism as a result. Just look at the policy positions of “party leaders” Schmuck and Jeffries, these guys are right wingers at best and full on imperialist colonizers at worst.
We shouldn’t be thinking about ‘28 at all right now, we should be organizing and voting in primaries this year to ensure as many of these rotten corporate turds get flushed as possible. And while you’re at it, write a letter to party leadership and tell them to resign and get the fuck out of our way.
Godric@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Based, start the grass growing now and we can sweep the shit out.
I’ve had this reccomended to me:
Bytemeister@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Good point. No way Mamdani can get the DNC nomination or win the NYC mayoral race against Cuomo.
FunkyStuff@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
One mayoral race in an extremely liberal city where the establishment candidate is a decrepit sex pest with a million scandals behind him is enough to make you forget the 2020 and 2016 Democratic presidential primaries, the lack of presidential primaries in 2024, and the way every single congressperson who does anything against Israel gets taken out by candidates that receive absurd donations from AIPAC? Oh I guess Mamdani won so the system works as intended…
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Did you see all the shit they pulled with him to MAKE HIM LOSE? They would have a Republican win than an admitted socialist win.
crusa187@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Bruh they ratfucked it so hard Cuomo literally got a trump endorsement in a desperate attempt to win. Jeffries didn’t even endorse until basically after the election lol
null@piefed.nullspace.lol 2 weeks ago
My perfect leftist candidate is actually super popular but the system is rigged!
FunkyStuff@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Bernie is a Zionist and not a socialist at all. He sucks and if he was in a general election in 2028 I probably would still vote for the PSL candidate because I don’t live in a swing state. But he absolutely was screwed out of the 2020 nomination in a concerted effort from the Democratic Party establishment to get anyone but Bernie to win. Elizabeth Warren stayed in the race until Super Tuesday to act as a spoiler while all the other moderate candidates dropped out and endorsed Joe Biden. The media consistently downplayed Bernie’s early lead. Pete Buttigieg had shady connections to the owners of the app used to conduct the Iowa Caucus. That same Iowa Caucus held “votes” that were based on how loud the audience’s cheers for each candidate were. The media buried the Tara Reade story (CNN even took down an old episode of their radio show where Tara Reade’s mother called asking for help because her daughter had been assaulted by her boss who was a politician in DC).
sangeteria@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Kinda odd to blame voters for being disillusioned with their choices, instead of the parties only putting out upsetting options. Idk feels victim-blamey.
Godric@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Good thing it’s a great time to get some grassroots roots growing in time for primaries!
FunkyStuff@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
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Join an actual socialist org and stop trying to fix the Democratic Party, you’re only wasting your energy.
sangeteria@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
But that’s not what your post is talking about. Your post is talking about the point at which both options have already alienated most people. Don’t change the subject.
theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
All the people on the bottom track are also on the top track they just obscure it better and we shouldn’t have to say genocide against some people is okay to support fuck off with this shit.
Glide@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
people just as left-wing as they are
People so “left” they wrap right back around to merit-based authoritarianism.
MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
On a forum that values user’s contributions based on number of votes and allows moderators to unilaterally censor opinions they disagree with?
I am shocked. Shocked, I tell you!
SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
An incomplete image, since all of those other groups are just slightly further down the track on the D side.
daannii@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
There are definitely people on here that keep shitting on those not as extreme as they are. Constantly complaining about liberals not being left enough.
If you support communism at their personal definition, you aren’t left enough
If you don’t support communism and only support socialism within capitalism , you are basically alt-right.
If you don’t support capitalism you are also not left enough (somehow. Yes it’s confusing but apparently some argue this too).
Honestly it doesn’t matter what you say. Someone on here will say you are the problem with why democracy has failed us.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Someone on here will say you are the problem with why democracy has failed us.
It’s just tiresome to see people scream “You’re the reason Trump won!” when they’re in some neon-blue district that goes 80/20 Dem every year regardless of who is on the ballot.
What wizardry does anyone think “Random Asshole On The Internet” has to swing the election? It’s like liberal candidates are Tinkerbell and they die if you don’t clap hard enough.
monkeyslikebananas2@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This is exactly the issue.
And they have such a narrow view of EVERY issue. If you can’t solve EVERYTHING all at once, in EXACTLY the way they want, you may as well be Trump and want to personally murder every Palestinian in Gaza.
“You don’t understand that guy/lady isn’t going to solve EVERYTHING so let’s not try to repair ANYTHING!”
Postimo@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
“You don’t understand that guy/lady isn’t going to solve EVERYTHING so let’s not try to repair ANYTHING!”
Maybe they could try something even slightly harsher on the genociders than explicitly unconditional complete support, and see if that convinces anyone?
Elting@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Guys the dems care about us! Not voting for Gavin Newsom proves you’re morally bankrupt.
Riverside@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
MacaqueAndCheese@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
My uncle’s right wing Facebook friend told him a story about how he was left wing but then they changed what left wing was and now his pet bird has no wings because he tore them off. Needless to say he votes Republican because he likes harming small animals
thethrilloftime69@feddit.online 2 weeks ago
Things will get worse either really fast or kinda slowly but nothing will get better.
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Neo-liberals aren’t the left. They like to pretend it while giving the actual left the proverbial middle finger.
marcos@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
What is even more interesting is that the defeat has been vehemently declared before even the parties named their candidates.
Now excuse me, because US politics are interesting and so, but I need to make popcorn to watch my country’s electoral court respond to the police about their involvement on what is looking like the largest corruption scheme in the country’s history (what’s a really high bar) while they manage what is looking to be the second most polarized election of the century.
Grimy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I choose to blame the people that laid the tracks, tied innocents to them and are driving the trolley. Fucking bootlickers.
IpsumLauren@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Democrats trying to justify being in favor of genocide…
WoodScientist@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If you’re willing to throw one minority under the bus, you will throw all of them under the bus.
aesthelete@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Love how we’re setting a low bar for 2028 two years ahead of time and without having a candidate first. 👍
qevlarr@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
sO YoU wAnT tRuMp To wIn??
FunkyStuff@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Dress it how you want, a vote for genocide is a vote for genocide.
An accurate picture here would have several hundred thousand Palestinians on both sides of the track. Not to mention it would still have trans people and immigrants on both sides of the track because both of those groups saw attacks on their rights under the Biden administration.
To make it abstract and intellectual like redditors like it: when the trolley problem has 3 people on the tracks and 1 on the other it seems like a no-brainer, but do you really think the same logic applies when there’s 500 people on one side and 498 on the other?
Also keep in mind, the actual political system is more complex that one election. If a candidate is completely blown out the party will know it has to switch its platform. If a candidate gets a decent number of votes then it doesn’t switch its platform. If you voted for Kamala Harris in 2024 you effectively let the Democrats know that genocide is negotiable and you are willing to let it slide. If you held your vote you exerted a bit of pressure for Democrats to stop supporting genocide.
Korne127@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
God, I sometimes wonder if some commenters on here really think that or are sponsored by Republicans
Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
you cannot even begin to pretend this is true, when the majority of blue team politicians are either handwriting over, or have directly voted for increased funding to our own domestic ethnic cleansing agencies, get fuckin real lmao
Deceptichum@quokk.au 2 weeks ago
Leftist infighting? Two right wing parties are not leftist infighting.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Definitely the vibe OP was talking about, but we need a massive wall of text before you can consider yourself a true leftist.
FunkyStuff@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
What, as in being correct?
null@piefed.nullspace.lol 2 weeks ago
Not quite paragraphs, but I think you’re the winner!
lena@gregtech.eu 2 weeks ago
Still better to vote for the less terrible ones
Deceptichum@quokk.au 2 weeks ago
Better to burn the whole thing down than support mass murderers.