I heard we're doing leftist infighting just in time for the election again, oh joy!

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• BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨7⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

  Neo-liberals aren’t the left. They like to pretend it while giving the actual left the proverbial middle finger.

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• Riverside@reddthat.com ⁨29⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

  Fixed it for you:

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• Grimy@lemmy.world ⁨31⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

  I choose to blame the people that laid the tracks, tied innocents to them and are driving the trolley. Fucking bootlickers.

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  • FunkyStuff@lemmy.ml ⁨28⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    Ok tankie, in this house we only think in terms of the choices that our benevolent masters lay out for us. Criticism of the system itself is a bridge too far.

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• aesthelete@lemmy.world ⁨29⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

  Love how we’re setting a low bar for 2028 two years ahead of time and without having a candidate first. 👍

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• FunkyStuff@lemmy.ml ⁨44⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

  Dress it how you want, a vote for genocide is a vote for genocide.

  An accurate picture here would have several hundred thousand Palestinians on both sides of the track. Not to mention it would still have trans people and immigrants on both sides of the track because both of those groups saw attacks on their rights under the Biden administration.

  To make it abstract and intellectual like redditors like it: when the trolley problem has 3 people on the tracks and 1 on the other it seems like a no-brainer, but do you really think the same logic applies when there’s 500 people on one side and 498 on the other?

  Also keep in mind, the actual political system is more complex that one election. If a candidate is completely blown out the party will know it has to switch its platform. If a candidate gets a decent number of votes then it doesn’t switch its platform. If you voted for Kamala Harris in 2024 you effectively let the Democrats know that genocide is negotiable and you are willing to let it slide. If you held your vote you exerted a bit of pressure for Democrats to stop supporting genocide.

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• Twongo@lemmy.ml ⁨39⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

  A little genocide is okay?

  Unbelievably disgusting.

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• Windex007@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

  The difference between now and 18 months ago is that the shape of the dems had already formed. The groups on the different tracks were already tied down.

  Who is the 2028 candidate?

  There is time now to pressure the dems to pull Palestine off thier leg of the track.

  It isn’t the trolly problem… yet.

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  • Godric@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    100,000%

    NOW is the time to get the roots part of grassroots growing.

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  • Duamerthrax@lemmy.world ⁨54⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    The lesson of the Trolley Problem is that you need to start thinking about your options before it gets to that point.

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    • FunkyStuff@lemmy.ml ⁨41⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      It isn’t. That’s not the lesson at all. It’s supposed to show the difference between consequentialist moral codes and non-consequentialism. Ironically, consequentialism is already assumed to be correct when people post these memes.

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• sangeteria@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

  Kinda odd to blame voters for being disillusioned with their choices, instead of the parties only putting out upsetting options. Idk feels victim-blamey.

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  • Godric@lemmy.world ⁨55⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    Good thing it’s a great time to get some grassroots roots growing in time for primaries!

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    • sangeteria@lemmy.ml ⁨28⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      But that’s not what your post is talking about. Your post is talking about the point at which both options have already alienated most people. Don’t change the subject.

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    • FunkyStuff@lemmy.ml ⁨40⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

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      Join an actual socialist org and stop trying to fix the Democratic Party, you’re only wasting your energy.

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• nexguy@lemmy.world ⁨55⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

  You have to add 10 more Palestinians to the GOP side.

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  • Godric@lemmy.world ⁨46⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    But nexguy, I saw an AI video of how nice it will be to tear Gaza down and turn it into a resort. Surely Palestinians want to live in a resort, right?

    What? Israel recognized what country?

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  • FunkyStuff@lemmy.ml ⁨51⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    Why?

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• mlg@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The last time this was posted, it was PugJesus, and he barely agreed to my live example of Imran Khan.

  And as a Pakistani, go fuck yourself. My democratically elected leader is in a jail going blind because American imperialism is universal amongst both parties, and Biden signed off on his removal without a second thought.

  Even more insult to injury, Imran Khan won his election against a corrupt, voter fraud heavy, and FPTP system as a 3rd party that upset the duopoly after 70+ years.

  Twice. Second time while he was in jail.

  So now all that manure you people scream about RCV for 3rd parties in the US is laid barren as propaganda from the DNC & RNC to convince you never to vote independent or 3rd party.

  Despite the fact the DNC was caught rigging their own primaries to ensure Bernie, a populist independent, would never win.

  Twice.

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  • BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    Thanks for this information, it’s yet more useful intel.

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  • Godric@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

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    Thanks for ensuring factual rigor in our shitpost comm

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    • FunkyStuff@lemmy.ml ⁨38⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      What a reddit response to a reasonable criticism of your garbage liberal meme.

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    • Postimo@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      This is incredibly tone deaf.

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• umbrella@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  democrats are not leftists.

  (and palestine is far from their only genocide)

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  • Keeponstalin@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You’re making the liberals upset

    They’re too busy blaming voters instead of the godawful campaign. They have zero interest in understanding why there was record low turnout, and instead smugly blame pro-palestinian voices for the loss

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    • umbrella@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      victim blaming is a classic right wing deflection!

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    • Bytemeister@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      Thanks for saving Palestine.

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• Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Leftist infighting? Two right wing parties are not leftist infighting.

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  • Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Definitely the vibe OP was talking about, but we need a massive wall of text before you can consider yourself a true leftist.

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  • null@piefed.nullspace.lol ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Not quite paragraphs, but I think you’re the winner!

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  • lena@gregtech.eu ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Still better to vote for the less terrible ones

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    • Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Better to burn the whole thing down than support mass murderers.

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• Sanctus@anarchist.nexus ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Real leftists deal direct combat damage to all nearby oil refineries at the start of their turn

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  • Godric@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Succinct, you get the cookie!

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• GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

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  • whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    youtu.be/TqKfwC70YZI

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• SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  An incomplete image, since all of those other groups are just slightly further down the track on the D side.

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• unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Lets be real, if the US population votes in a democrat that isnt at least as left as Bernie or Mamdani, the US will just incrementally move further and further right. Yes its better to get any democrat over a republican, but it wont save the US long term. Its rotten to the core and needs a healthy cleaning from the inside out.

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  • hobovision@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    the US will just incrementally move further and further right

    This is just historically inaccurate. The US has been moving left (on average) since the late 1700s. The US was founded as a slave state in which property owning whites were the only ones who could vote for representatives and only representatives could elect the president. The US committed genocide against the native peoples and annexed territories by imperial conquest. There was no such thing as labor rights until the unions took them barely 100 years ago. We’re still making progress, but not without bumps along the way.

    needs a healthy cleaning from the inside out

    How?

    Seems to me there’s 2 options, the constitutional way and the violent revolution way. So far in our history, the violent revolution way has been started quite a few times and it usually gets stamped out or enough concessions are given that it simmers down. Of course you can’t forget that the biggest one was an unsuccessful right wing revolution, better known as the Civil War.

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  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Yes its better to get any democrat over a republican

    The cruel joke of it all is that a “moderate” Democrat in year 4 is guaranteed to produce an extremist Republican in year 8. We played this game after Nixon, got a four year reprieve, and then landed on 12 years of Reaganism. We got force-fed Clinton by the corporate wing of the Democratic Party and he immediately shat the bed in the '94 mid-terms, after passing… what? A deficit reduction bill that did nothing to improve the lives of his liberal base?

    That’s not even getting into Democrats who are actively hostile to their base voters. From your Jim Justices (who straight up turn coat the day after the election) to your John Fettermans (who mostly just scream and cry about anti-semitism now) to your Kristen Sinemas and Bob Menendezes (fully sold out to corporate interests from inside the party) to your Henry Cuellars and John Whitmires (actively complicit in the Trump regime’s ongoing ethnic purge in his home state of Texas) to your Charlie Crists and Michael Bloombergs (literal former Republicans who become Democrats and then just cost the party elections for the next ten years).

    These are the slop candidates the party offers up every two years. I don’t actually know if they’re “better” than Republicans when they all govern exactly the same.

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    • unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I believe those slop candidates are actually overall worse. They prevent the US from going into a charged enough state to enact actual change. They are the pacifier that keeps people inactive.

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  • TrousersMcPants@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Yeah, but like, are we just supposed to let the GOP run wild until this candidate appears or maybe we should just try and go out and vote for people who suck less instead of waiting for a unicorn to run for office

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    • Godric@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      Yep, if the next candidate isn’t the leftist messiah, it’s not worth bothering with this whole organizing thing.

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    • Krono@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      We did that already, we voted for the people who suck less.

      They are letting the GOP run wild.

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• crusa187@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Here’s the thing about voting in primaries: DNC will try to ratfuck it 8 ways from Sunday to ensure the leftist can’t win. They partake in corrupt backroom deals to this end. Not only is this wholly undemocratic, but it drags the country further right and further into fascism as a result. Just look at the policy positions of “party leaders” Schmuck and Jeffries, these guys are right wingers at best and full on imperialist colonizers at worst.

  We shouldn’t be thinking about ‘28 at all right now, we should be organizing and voting in primaries this year to ensure as many of these rotten corporate turds get flushed as possible. And while you’re at it, write a letter to party leadership and tell them to resign and get the fuck out of our way.

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  • Godric@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Based, start the grass growing now and we can sweep the shit out.

    I’ve had this reccomended to me:

    runforsomething.net

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  • Bytemeister@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    Good point. No way Mamdani can get the DNC nomination or win the NYC mayoral race against Cuomo.

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    • FunkyStuff@lemmy.ml ⁨34⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      One mayoral race in an extremely liberal city where the establishment candidate is a decrepit sex pest with a million scandals behind him is enough to make you forget the 2020 and 2016 Democratic presidential primaries, the lack of presidential primaries in 2024, and the way every single congressperson who does anything against Israel gets taken out by candidates that receive absurd donations from AIPAC? Oh I guess Mamdani won so the system works as intended…

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• theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  All the people on the bottom track are also on the top track they just obscure it better and we shouldn’t have to say genocide against some people is okay to support fuck off with this shit.

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• ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

  If this is what the Democrats are offering, the USA truly has the President they deserve.

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• join@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Make clear to the democratic machine that the only way to win power, is by including the left in their coalition. This means not voting for them if they don’t, but organizing and voting in primaries to try to force them to do.

  This is not an imaginary track, this has worked in the past. If you have to oligarchic parties, you solve nothing by (only) voting for the least bad one.

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  • nexguy@lemmy.world ⁨50⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    So how about doing exactly what your said, primary better candidates… but in the mean time also not have the nazi in office crippling the nation for a few generations. Why handicap yourself?

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  • Godric@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    If anyone reading this wants to make this reality, RIGHT NOW is the time to be running or supporting someone who is. Drag the establishment kicking and screaming to the left by winning primaries.

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  • IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    PRIMARIES TOO!!!

    it isn’t enough to yell at non progressive candidates,

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    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      PRIMARIES TOO!!!

      The big mistake Leftists made was not voting in the 2024 Democratic Presidential Primary. Dean Phillips was electable if you’d voted for him.

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  • PaintedSnail@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Then you will need to be aware that by not voting for the more left candidate, we will have a far right government for a couple of cycles at least. This will cost lives and further entrench them into power. It is why we have what we have right now. It will also drive left leaning candidates further right because they are going to cater to the people who actually vote. A far left candidate winning is still possible eventually, but a lot more damage is going to be done to a lot of innocent people in the mean time. Is this a cost you are willing to pay?

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    • DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      So if we do something else, we would have what we have now? Have you considered that what we have now is because Democrats keep nominating terrible candidates? Why are you mad at paying the cost for what Democrats have been doing for decades?

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  • null@piefed.nullspace.lol ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    the only way to win power is by including the left in their coalition

    What percentage of eligible voters define themselves as “on the left” and did not vote Democrat in the general election?

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    • FunkyStuff@lemmy.ml ⁨32⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      Not enough people, that’s why organizing on the ground is more important than electoral campaigns.

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• Calfpupa@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Why’d you cut off the rest of the shot?

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  • Godric@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

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    • Calfpupa@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Hmm seems like you’re missing the part where the checkboxes are the same total, just one is written in off white and not as obvious.

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  • AnarchoEngineer@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Honestly, even this edit makes voting for democrats the correct choice. If you can delay the trolley’s destruction, you have more time to attempt to destroy the tracks or kill the driver etc.

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    • uberfreeza@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I mean, isn’t that supposed to be the point? Until progressives get in a position to do things, we should slow the democrats from sliding right even more.

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  • lemonwood@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    This is perfect, thanks. I’ll steal it

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    • Calfpupa@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      This aint no private property, comrade

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• lechekaflan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

  With heavy factionalism, anywhere from center-left vanilla Dems to far-left, they have competing, conflicting views and ideologies, some factions claiming they’re better than others by virtue or purity, and of course distrusting each other. There’s a loss of focus, so instead of dealing with an enemy determined to end their existence, they constantly scrutinize others’ supposed moral purity and looking for skeletons in the closet.

  Meanwhile, the horrible but seemingly unified far-right – white, Christian, full of machismo – have a definite goal of achieving totalitarianism, and only after they wipe out the opposition do they would split into factions and fight over the spoils. Familiar, huh?

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  • FunkyStuff@lemmy.ml ⁨25⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    they constantly scrutinize others’ supposed moral purity and looking for skeletons in the closet.

    Yeah just several hundred thousand dead Palestinians in Gaza, you know, a little skeleton in the closet. A tiny blemish. But all the adults in the room ought to just get over it and focus on what’s important: making America’s armed forces the most lethal army in the world, and student loan forgiveness for Pell Grant recipients who operated a business in an underserved neighborhood for 3 or more years.

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• joyjoy@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Why aren’t we doing anything about the madman driving the trolley?

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  • Godric@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    If you can reach the madman on the trolly, reach him! Right now it’s just the lever, and a choice has to be made.

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    • YonicTonic@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      We’re trying, but you keep not listening and saying you have to drive down one of two tracks.

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• Korne127@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  God, I sometimes wonder if some commenters on here really think that or are sponsored by Republicans

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  • Godric@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I always have to wonder if the accounts spamming “Don’t vote for the Dems!!!” are Republican astroturfers, or just useful idiots.

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    • FunkyStuff@lemmy.ml ⁨31⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      Okay just gonna sweep Gaza under the rug in no time at all then.

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    • Bytemeister@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      Bots, shills, and trolls started it, but much like the anti-vax moment, the targeted idiots have taken it up and run with it.

      There are people on here who genuinely believe that Kamala would have killed so many Palestinians by now if she had been elected.

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    • Pacattack57@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      They are 100% bots or paid shills because they go away after the election.

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• qevlarr@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  sO YoU wAnT tRuMp To wIn??

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• IpsumLauren@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Democrats trying to justify being in favor of genocide…

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  • hobovision@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Yall will just find something else to replace Palestine when it’s time to vote again so you can justify staying home

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    • FunkyStuff@lemmy.ml ⁨37⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      I went vote for Claudia de la Cruz in 2024. Are y’all yonna find another group of people to genocide in 2028? Because I’ll stand in solidarity with them too.

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• daannii@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  There are definitely people on here that keep shitting on those not as extreme as they are. Constantly complaining about liberals not being left enough.

  If you support communism at their personal definition, you aren’t left enough

  If you don’t support communism and only support socialism within capitalism , you are basically alt-right.

  If you don’t support capitalism you are also not left enough (somehow. Yes it’s confusing but apparently some argue this too).

  Honestly it doesn’t matter what you say. Someone on here will say you are the problem with why democracy has failed us.

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• Finch9678@europe.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Don’t feed the trolls. Report and block.

  The fact 200 ppl upvoted this is just staggering.

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• Glide@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  people just as left-wing as they are

  People so “left” they wrap right back around to merit-based authoritarianism.

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• marcos@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  What is even more interesting is that the defeat has been vehemently declared before even the parties named their candidates.

  Now excuse me, because US politics are interesting and so, but I need to make popcorn to watch my country’s electoral court respond to the police about their involvement on what is looking like the largest corruption scheme in the country’s history (what’s a really high bar) while they manage what is looking to be the second most polarized election of the century.

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