Comment on I heard we're doing leftist infighting just in time for the election again, oh joy!

• null@piefed.nullspace.lol ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

  Not enough people so therefore that’s why the Dems lost? Make that make sense.

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  • FunkyStuff@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    The Dems didn’t lose because leftists didn’t vote for them, there’s not a lot of leftists in the US anyway. They lost because Biden’s presidency failed to improve people’s material conditions since COVID and Kamala offered nothing better.

    Ideally leftists could actually be organized enough that we could make concrete demands and withholding our votes would kill a candidate’s chances, but that’s not the reality except in some specific local contexts. In general this is a big reason why I think leftists in the US shouldn’t really bother with national elections (except as a way to advertise their orgs like PSL does) since they aren’t really achieving anything by putting energy somewhere that their enemies can outdo them with money.

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    • null@piefed.nullspace.lol ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      the only way to win power is by including the left in their coalition

      This is what we were talking about. Not sure why you were jumping in with something unrelated.

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      • FunkyStuff@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

        The reason what I’m saying is relevant is that for that strategy to work the left has to establish itself as a real political force first. Doing nothing but ceding ground in elections achieves the opposite. I’m saying that the Democrats currently have no reason to care about the left because there’s not enough leftists to swing an election, and for that to be the case the left has to do work on the ground first that can get people to agree to a radical leftist program distinct from liberalism.

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