Being Trans Isn't Normal or Part of Nature...or is it...?

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• powerstruggle@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Male seahorse get pregnant, but that doesn’t make them trans, they’re unambiguously male. This is a great example of why sex is defined by gamete size. If it weren’t, we couldn’t talk about males and females in any useful way across the animal kingdom.

  Clownfish would be a better example as they’re sequential hermaphrodites, but that doesn’t have any bearing on the human sex binary.

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  • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    *the non-existent human sex binary

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    • powerstruggle@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      This is often a point of confusion, but human sex is binary. There’s edge cases that require clarification as to how they fit into the binary, but don’t disprove it.

      Human sexuality overall is complex and that’s why we differentiate gender from sex. The sex binary and gender spectrum complement each other though, and don’t clash.

      If you’re interested in learning more, here’s some background reading:

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonochorism

      We fall into that category, where we have two body plans, each organized around producing either sperm or ova. Other species have more body plans, such as recognizably distinct males, females, and hermaphrodites:

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trioecy

      Those species are a good contrast. Humans don’t have that variation, and so sex is binary in humans.

      There’s literature that explains this specifically in detail, though most of it doesn’t really explicitly talk about it, much like math papers don’t generally explain that integers can be added together.

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    • RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Every gender is binary because the universe we live in is a simulation run on the higher sphere’s equivalent of a pentium iii.

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  • zout@fedia.io ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    How about chickens? If you have some hens without a rooster, you've got good chance that one of them will "transform" into a rooster. Especially if you had a rooster but it died.

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    • powerstruggle@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I’m not aware of that being an actual change in sex. The hen can develop male characteristics, but won’t produce functional sperm.

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• rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Frogs and ducks enter the chat

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  • PizzaLamp25@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Clown Fish have entered the chat

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    • phaedrus@piefed.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      A whole new vibe to, “plenty of fish in the sea.”

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  • stiffyGlitch@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    what

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    I was just looking up if ducks can turn trans and this popped up

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    • rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      What the duck?!

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    • Siethron@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Who keeps their ducks in their prostate?

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  • mienshao@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Yeah I think it’s ironic that out of all the animals that can change their sex, OP chose one that doesn’t lol.

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    • cattywampas@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Also animals being able to change sex does not make them trans. Being transgender has to do with gender identity and its relation to physical sex.

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  • exu@feditown.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Snails as well

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• the_q@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I feel like this misrepresents what trans means, but I’m not educated enough to get into it.

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  • captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    It’s perfectly cis for a male seahorse to give birth. That said, a quick search told me they also change sexes over the course of their life so…

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    • the_q@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      But I was under the impression that part of transitioning was the conscious decision to make a change in line with self perception. I can’t help but think non human animals wouldn’t experience that.

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• yermaw@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  My biggest issue with this whole thing is just writing “POV” at the start.

  Is this like the new generations communication habit? Some people can’t stop putting lol at the end of a message, some people cant stop saying “so here’s the thing” at the start of sentences. Are people just automatically writing POV at the start of memes now?

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  • Electricd@lemmybefree.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    POV you’re being annoyed about “point of view” being used to describe a speech or vision as if you were the mentioned groupe

    That’s okay, it’ll pass one day, you’ll adapt

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    • macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Or the idiots will have to learn.

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  • stiffyGlitch@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    yeah sorry

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    • Electricd@lemmybefree.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      POV you’re sorry

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  • NannerBanner@literature.cafe ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Just let me be clear, it incenses me just as much as you, lol, but here’s the thing, run on sentences are much worse for us in the interim and we need to circle back around so that that issue becomes a lesser thing, lest we forget the true horrors of english perpetuating themselves through a normalization of nominalization that makes a trivialization of our original lines in the sand aaaaand now I’m just getting into the weeds with my niche micro-interests and brought in too many limes.

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• merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Isn’t this confusing sex and gender?

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  • Karl@literature.cafe ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Nevee really understood those terms. Can someone explain in a simple way?

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    • Honytawk@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Sex is biology, gender is sociology.

      Your biological sex is the physical manifestation. It involves your genitals and genes. That is why it is called a sex-change and not a gender-change.

      Your gender is how society perceives you. It is a spectrum between masculine and feminine. And not a single person in this world is pure masculine or feminine, since it also differs between societies. Like wearing a skirt is seen in most places as something feminine, but go to Scotland and there it is masculine.

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  • cows_are_underrated@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Not directly. Trans men can get pregnant too (it may or may not be possible if they are on hormones but as long as the Organs are still there they should be table to get pregnant.

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    • merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Right, that’s my point. Since we don’t know anything about the thoughts of seahorses or about seahorse society, we can’t apply labels like “trans” to seahorses, the only thing we know about is their biology, so sex, not gender.

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• SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  also sorry if the seahorse is hard to see

  I am emotionally damaged and triggered from seeing this seahorse. It was a very hard thing for me to see.

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  • stiffyGlitch@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    x–x

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• skibidi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Seahorses aren’t a great example here imo. Their biology is just different from ours, the sex that fertilizes is the sex that carries the eggs to term - that doesn’t make them trans that is just how male and female work for seahorses, different than humans.

  A seahorse could make this meme calling cis women trans men because they carry the fetus…

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• altphoto@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Okay looks like this one is the female because it has the babies! Oh wait I has a penis so this is the male. The other one is the female because it has the vagina. Oh but it can’t have babies. Then this one is the male! And that one is the female because it has the babies. Oh but it has a penis… Repeat.

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• melsaskca@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I think being true to yourself is being closer to God than most Christians are.

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  • stiffyGlitch@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    honestly

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• WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  In case you wanted the explanation from a 1993 Nirvana T-shirt: “Ever the trendsetter, the sea horse is the sole animal known to man which the male of the species endures the privilege of childbirth. Following a length courtship, a male and female have intercourse during which the female enters the male and lays as many as 200 eggs which are fertilized within the body of the male. After a 5-week gestation period, the male gives birth.”

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  • captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Cobain rocked lol

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• Apytele@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Better example is parrotfish.

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• cattywampas@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I’m no longer religious, but Catholics are on the chiller side of Christians.

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  • captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Chill? They’re the more rigorous side for certain but chill feels like an exaggeration. That said, I’m ex catholic and have complicated feelings about them.

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    • cattywampas@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Catholic dogma may be relatively strict, I’m not sure, I haven’t extensively studied other sects of Christianity. But Catholic people are, in my experience, pretty chill. If anything they’re a much more “love the sinner, hate the sin” kind of bunch. It’s the evangelicals you gotta watch out for.

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  • LordPassionFruit@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Growing up I discovered that there are two types of catholics. My church once had a temporary priest (our previous priest had just been sent on sabbatical and they didn’t have a replacement lined up) reassigned because he gave back to back anti-abortion and homophobic homilies in two weeks and we weren’t okay with that. The aforementioned previous priest routinely spoke in support of the queer community (usually just gay folks, but occasionally trans & beyond), talked about how we should be doing more to support the poor and underprivileged, and generally preacher a doctrine of love and tolerance.

    But there are also Catholic groups who preach against all of that, believing that the word of the pope/gospel supersedes interpretation of it. My old roommate once genuinely said that “being gay is fine, it’s just a sin to act on it”. He went to a different church only about an hour from mine, yet they were being preached the near opposite of what I was. And as other users have mentioned, that rift can grow depending on exactly where you go in the church.

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• Shrubbery@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Catholics: Eating your young isn’t normal or part of nature. Nature: Looks like meat is back on the menu, boys!

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• Ep1cFac3pa1m@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  But returning from the dead is A-OK!

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  • b_tr3e@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    As long as you’re the same gender, yes. And didn’t touch you dead wiener, of course.

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    • funkajunk@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      What if I touched the dead weiner?

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  • basxto@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    on this planet, with this mankind? dunno

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• cows_are_underrated@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Conservatives saying shit like “nature intended monogamous relationships between men and women, and it is against nature to change your gender” while fucking nature is queer AS fuck. Clown fish will always end up turning into females in the course of their lives (if they dont get eaten before), male seahorses get pregnant and shimpanzes solve all of their problems with sex.

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  • Sludgeyy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Saying nature intended anything is naive

    Chimpanzees have gang wars and eat each other. Doesn’t make it right.

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• g0d0fm15ch13f@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I just like seahorses

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• dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Don’t Catholics subscribe to the doctrine of TRANSubstantiation?

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• captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Oh hey, I was going to be pedantic but apparently seahorses are also sequential hermaphrodites

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• realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I thought trans not being a natural thing was an agreed statement at this point in time?

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