The glory days of Epic Games is long gone and Tim Sweeney is a god damn moron.
Headlines where I have to remind myself not to downvote the OP for sharing news even when I despise the person being reported on.
Epic boss Tim Sweeney thinks stores like Steam should stop labelling games as being made with AI: 'It makes no sense,' he says, because 'AI will be involved in nearly all future production
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other_cat@piefed.zip 3 months ago
JackbyDev@programming.dev 3 months ago
I remember seeing a joke once about what if Reddit added left votes and right votes with no explanation in addition to up votes and down votes.
nandeEbisu@lemmy.world 3 months ago
He’s not wrong about the main point, but I think it just means you need to be clearer about the AI disclosure. Was this AI generated images, text, or voices? Was the codebase just using small amounts of AI tab completion or substantial portions of AI generated code?
Alaik@lemmy.zip 3 months ago
That’s nuance. Don’t make the MBA decision maker’s heads explode.
npcknapsack@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
I’m not surprised. People thought he was a good guy because he sued Apple and Google, but he did it for his own profit, not for the principle. And now he wants AI slop games for his own profit, too.
Lfrith@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
Him not ordering support for Fortnite on Linux says it all about how serious he actually is about wanting to escape OS ecosystems like Apple, Google, and Windows. He doesn’t care about alternatives.
His only goal is getting more profit, since when it comes to supporting movements thst would help Linux grow that might allow him to not be at the mercy of other corporations he chooses to do nothing. As long as he makes profit he is happy to be on copilot riddled Windows and spyware Google Android. He would rather spend money courts, and considers Linux a waste of money to put resources towards.
favoredponcho@lemmy.zip 3 months ago
Google link? What is it? Won’t click.
Feersummendjinn@feddit.uk 3 months ago
Google free link
Aljernon@lemmy.today 3 months ago
They can skip the AI label and get down to brass tacks with a “this game sucks” label.
Tattorack@lemmy.world 3 months ago
“Waaaahhhh! Waaaaahhhh! Why is Steam such a good service? That should be illegal! Tell them they should be worse!”
That’s all I’m hearing from these other corpos.
Tigeroovy@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
Go ahead and remove it Tim, I already don’t spend money on your platform and I will just continue that.
termaxima@slrpnk.net 3 months ago
If that actually happens and the label becomes redundant, then we can talk about removing it.
Or better, inverting it to a “No AI” label for the people like me who will still care.
Tech bros always act like this : they don’t want to actually win by making a good solution. Instead they try to make you feel like their solution is inevitable and they have already won…
For a group of people who claim to be all about meritocracy and the “marketplace of ideas”, they sure like to short circuit those whenever possible…
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Sigh.
I swear, Epic would probably have a decent reputation (and storefront) if Sweeney would just shut his trap and delete all his social media.
Alaik@lemmy.zip 3 months ago
It’d be worse because you KNOW he’d then spend the time “managing” the creators/devs.
DicJacobus@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Steam lives rent free in Sweeney’s head. Forever.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 months ago
re: unreal - and unity - have stopped caring about devs and just chase new tech like nanite or new advertising shite.
godot ftw, they’ll never come back and say “hey we’re changing the contract now you gotta pay for every install” or “hey everything is AI now”.
drmoose@lemmy.world 3 months ago
He’s right though it’s not a very useful label in general. The AI process is unavoidable as you can use it as a coop tool or inspiration or thousand different ways where AI is not a direct generator.
Personal anecdote: I do quite a bit of visual design these days and always start with some ai prompt to give me some inspiration as subjects I work with are highly corporate and unheard to me. The final product is made by me in Inkscape with some parts being manual traces of AI generated images but it would be dienginous to say that I didn’t use AI here and silly to say that it some “mindless slop”.
joonazan@discuss.tchncs.de 3 months ago
I think a better example is that programmers use AI to autocomplete text. They could write the exact same text by hand or use a dumber autocomplete but there is no reason to. The product is exactly the same just delivered with slightly less wear on the programmer’s fingers.
drmoose@lemmy.world 3 months ago
That’s really just scratching the surface of what AI is doing these day in creative workflows. All game tests will eventually be replace with AI and tests often drive new feature development. Refactoring of not only code but assets is also done by AI these days.
Reality is that this label is fundamentally unsustainable and will go away anyway. Willing to bet money on this.
ricecake@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Your anecdote isn’t as against expectations as you seem to think. People just also think that what you’re doing is grody.
If you traced a design you found from a Google result, people would object to you saying it was “your” creation. In the ai case, it just also isn’t anyone else’s.
People used to do your job by learning a bit about what they were designing and applying some creativity. You’re quite literally describing the AI enabling you to be less informed and creative as a creative worker.
No one much cares when the button layout for an accounting firms CRM is rote, but people do care when they hear that the designers for the game they’re playing kinda phoned in the art design and it’s significantly a mathematical approximation of other designs.drmoose@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I disagree, people fundamentally don’t understand creation and art process if they think it’s an artist in a white room doing everything from the blanks of their mind.
It’s just a vocal minority that’ll eventually grow up.
myedition8@lemmy.world 3 months ago
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 months ago
yeah dumbfuck that’s why we require ingredients what the hell is this man oh - oh
oh yeah
this adds up hold on
yeah: DAIN BRAMMAGE
SethTaylor@lemmy.world 3 months ago
This sounds like “If we let men marry men, what’s next? Men marrying goats?”
frostysauce@lemmy.world 3 months ago
His leap of logic sounds more like, “If we let men marry men what’s next? Cars eating babies?”
MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 3 months ago
If the developer puts shampoo in the game box, I’d probably want to know what before opening it.
zecg@lemmy.world 3 months ago
It does make sense, because I’ll boycott nearly all future productions.
skisnow@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
Epic Boss Tim Sweeney can go fuck himself
fin@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Fuck that. I’ll delete my Epic account
peetabix@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Tim Sweeny should stfu.
RaphaelSchmitz@feddit.org 3 months ago
He’s right IMHO.
You can make hundreds of AI slop games in the time you can make one game that is a creative work of art.
It would be waaay easier to police 100 games with a “No AI” label, than making sure 10000 slop games have a “Made by AI” label.
Maybe you think something like “but the ratio SHOULD be the other way around”, but to that you honestly have to deal with the answer “should could woulda”.
MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 3 months ago
That’s not his argument, tho. He’s saying all games will be using the slop machine. And hopefully he’s wrong, but if not, there’s plenty of already-made games to go through.
REDACTED@infosec.pub 3 months ago
Epic is on track to becoming a google play store
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 3 months ago
If Sweeney can read this, I just want to tell him something. As someone who made games with ZZT as a kid and thought it was the best thing ever, you need to understand that no AI could make something like that, even if as a kid using copied and ‘inspired’ code from other games (and learned how to hexedit out the protections from other ZZT worlds so I can see how they worked) the cycle of just working through a rudimentary coding language was the reward in and of it self even if I never did finish the game I had in mind.
BTW, that game just involved an adventurer in a kingdom that is being troubled by… Hitler’s ghost, and your objective was to send his ass back to hell. I found a boss fight in another ZZT world that I thought was too cool not to reuse for that purpose, too. But sadly it was never finished.
That being said, we DO need ‘AI generated’ or ‘AI assisted’ as a tag. There isn’t anything weird or wrong with that. In online art spaces like deviant art you can tag stuff as ‘traditional’ art (meaning done on paper/canvas with whatever media you used, like pencils, various paints, etc) or digital or a combination thereof, like a hand drawn sketch that was completed and colored with photoshop. Why the fuck would anyone be against telling people what tools were used?
apftwb@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Sounds like Epic needs to try to make a online game store to compete with Steam, but filled with AI slopware.
Alaik@lemmy.zip 3 months ago
Wait a minute… lol
njm1314@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I like how he’s basically admitting that it’s a negative that would hurt the game sales. Because consumers don’t want it.
Lfrith@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
Yep all those people not liking the idea of AI labels telling on themselves. For how much the AI bros talk up AI they are incredibly skittish about having to show what products were created using it. If it is so awesome why the fear?
Like an artist who traces their drawings, but doesn’t want to disclose it so more people will assume they free handed it.
MourningDove@lemmy.zip 3 months ago
Man… the future is going to be BLEAK.
ilinamorato@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Are you kidding? I might actually stop buying new games and make it through my backlog now! This is great!
ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com 3 months ago
Dipshit
Strider@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I think I just understood why UE5 sucks that much…
SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 3 months ago
You are the first person I have ever heard say UE5 sucks. Why?
Strider@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I really am? (no sarcasm here, honest surprise)
I thought it’s widespread knowledge that the “upgrade” to UE5 mainly brought a lot of performance loss compared to UE4 while having a signature blurry (or whatever) style which actually worsens the perceived quality.
For example expedition 33, while it’s style is awesome, it’s performance is absolutely not. It should run flawless on ps5 and on superior pcs but still doesn’t and the fps range is not in line with the hardware capabilities.
sakuraba@lemmy.ml 3 months ago
If Tim has no haters I’m dead
MoonRaven@feddit.nl 3 months ago
Thank God the consumer can ignore it if they wish.
pumpkin_spice@lemmy.today 3 months ago
I don’t want AI-generated assets in games at the expense of past, present, and future artists – artists that created all the source material in the first place and had it pirated by corporations who had enough money to ignore all existing IP law globally.
If Tim Sweeney is fine with pirating other’s art, he should be cool with people pirating his games.
billwashere@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Yeah this is my take as well. AI can be a useful tool but putting people out of work so you can save money to create soulless art is just wrong.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Bullshit translator: “I want to sell more AI made games, and being held accountable for using AI is gonna prevent me from bilking idiots to increase my fortunes by another billion or 5”
Quazatron@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Bingo.
sparkles@piefed.zip 3 months ago
I don’t care if it is seamless…I want to play games and enjoy art made by human brains. Because to me it’s the closest we can get to being in someone else’s experience of a thing. And yeah we still go through our own filter but this game..or song or painting is someone else’s brain creating and I’m just walking through their vision of the world.
mintiefresh@piefed.social 3 months ago
This guy is just a straight up villain.