Submitted 15 hours ago by throws_lemy@reddthat.com to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.neowin.net/news/windows-11s-adoption-is-much-slower-compared-to-windows-10-claims-dell/
Blows my mind seeing people look on windows 10 as some kind of last bastion, apparently not realizing that was Windows 7 at best.
10 is the one where they fucked up the UX beyond repair, made everything slow and added insane amounts of spying. If you willingly switched to 10 then don’t pretend like 11 is a bridge too far now.
I still can’t grasp that Microsoft, a $3.6 trillion company, developed a new settings interface but failed to migrate all settings to it, forcing users to use both. Even I know that’s day one UX shite and I’m quite stupid.
People said they will never upgrade from 7 to 10, and now they are saying they will never upgrade from 10 to 11
It’s almost like “you have to buy a new laptop to install it and help train our AI on all you documents” is somehow not convincing enough. Maybe if they also removed local accounts and forced you to have an online MS account? Nah scratch that, it would be stupid
It was possible to skip Vista and go straight from XP to 7.
It was possible to skip 8 and go straight from 7 to 10.
This time around, Microsoft is forcing Windows 11 as the only option and it is backfiring on them. People are rejecting it and the competition (Linux) has never been as good.
Apparently some are even opting to reinstall Windows 7 rather than the trash fire that is 11. It seems like 10 was never loved, merely tolerated, and as MS continues to enshittify 10 in an attempt to force people onto 11 some are just going back to the previous good version of Windows.
Those people are stupid. Run a version of windows that won’t make you part of a botnet and make you my problem or don’t run it at all.
I reinstalled Windows 7 on my laptop and dual-boot Linux and Windows 11 on my desktop.
Windows 10 was when the stupid accounts became a thing on Windows and candy crush being installed after a fresh install so makes sense people never really loved 10. And they managed to make 11 even worse than it was at launch with the copilot crap.
Anyone who asks me about this is getting the “At least try Linux for free first before buying a new computer.
Another example I have is that my mother-in-law is retired. You think she needs a new computer? Nope! She’s getting Linux before a new computer. The only other option for her would be an iPad since she’s just browsing the web anyway.
The only other option for her would be an iPad since she’s just browsing the web anyway.
Give her a Steam Deck and some cozy games. 😁
You could install windows 10 on something designed for windows XP, provided it has enough RAM
The reason w11 needs a new PC is pure marketing, it doesn’t actually need some specific feature that is present on 8th gen Intel CPUs but not on 7th gen Intel CPUs
They need it to run ai and bloat whithout it grinding to a halt.
Very good point. Especially with how broken pricing has been on home computers for years, throwing away your machine for something impossibly expensive is a tough sell to say the least. Especially in this economy. It‘s more feasible to switch to Linux.
they are forcing it earlier to stave off thier AI bubble bursting
I couldn’t be happier, ditching Windows for Linux.
To be clear, I’m not ‘not adopting’ - I’m actively boycotting that shit. The whole TOM thing was annoying enough, but everything else surrounding it has proven to me that Microsoft cannot be trusted with that level of access to MY hardware.
So yeah, I’m going to put Linux on my PC and ultimately back to Mac full time, I imagine.
10 had at least SOME good in it, at first i didnt want to move on from 7 but when i finally did it was okay. Everything i have heard about 11 is awful, and i wasnt very pleased with it myself either when i tried it at work, though i was able to mostly ignore it since it was just my work pc.
And now after switching to mint, idea of using 11 is preposterous.
Had to “upgrade” my work laptop to 11 for security support. Nothing about it is better. Almost everything is slower, and many common operations take more steps to complete on 11 vs 10.
Absolute fuckin’ garbage.
I learned to tolerate 10 for my limited uses. Like you, my Windows PC jumped from 7 to 10. When 11 rolled around, the centered start menu was the first thing I noticed and it was an instant wtf moment.
Microsoft needs to be sued to allow for a Linux desktop Excel. Once that happens they would lose like half their market share to Linux.
LibreOffice is good. While people don’t like learning new things, I found it does everything I could want.
I actually switched years ago because I didn’t want to pay for MS Office.
Linux for desktop. MacBook Air for my laptop, only because of Microsoft Office. Bought a cheap Office for Mac 2021 licence. Mac is also much better than Windows 11 too: responsive, Fast wake/sleep, no 20 minute reboots with mystery updates, no registry, no Powershell. If you can avoid Office documents and run an AMD GPU, anyone should be golden on Linux. NVidia is fine if you are comfortable with command line. Not really sure what Windows has going for it except inertia, but if your coasting, you are going downhill…
Windows has the enterprise. What Fortune 500 company uses Linux on the desktop?
It’s a burning platform, but the future isn’t bright. IT and security would love to get rid of Windows desktops, they are nightmare to manage and secure. Problem is legacy.
But who still uses native Windows Apps other than Office? Legacy apps are out there, but also being migrated to low code browser apps. Even Office is an web app and Microsoft has been converting their ‘native’ apps into browser containers. Point is that Almost everything runs on a web browser and that is what kids have been using in schools for nearly 10 years. To date, ChromeOS is widely used in some roles (contact center, some back office). Developers, graphics, video, marketing, executives, along with most sales often use Mac, and nearly every enterprise uses both Android and IPhone /iPad OS.
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Because 8 was garbage and people got rid of it as soon as possible. 10 was actually good, and 11 was barely a change functionally until they started messing with the ads push, and now they’re shoving LLM bullshit in to justify their exorbitant expenditures on the half functional tech.
Yep. I Kept 7 for as long as possible but had to upgrade so 10 was next. I wouldn’t move to 11 if support continued for 10.
. I wouldn’t move to 11 if support continued for 10.
Which is exactly the reason they’re ending support.
If you don’t have a reason to stay, Linux is definitely worth a shot. I moved from 10 to Bazzite in my rig earlier in the year, and it’s been pretty solid.
Obviously. There is no particular reason to switch from old 7th or older gen intel CPUs since with 16GB (or even with 8) of RAM one can browse internet and use OFFICE 365 with no issues. And what most of people do with their computers at work?
Unless PC is used to render 3D/Video/DAW Audio/heavy VMs - there is no fucking need to buy new PC just to upgrade to win11. MS shot themselves in a foot with this one.
Gee, I can’t imagine why that could be.
Oh, I can think of a few reasons.
You know it’s bad when even I switch to linux. I don’t understand linux. I literally back up my entire hard drive everytime I attempt to do ANYTHING. Because I WILL screw up my whole system to the point it won’t boot. I’ve done it many times over the coarse of the past year.
Then I gotta spend a whole day waiting for things to restore from backup. And then whatever I WAD trying to do, still isn’t done.
That has been my experience using linux this past year.
But Windows 11? No.
That’s how you level up in Linux. You break things, learn what you did wrong and do better next time. Linux won’t hold your hand, you can and will shoot yourself in the foot.
You are doing it right by having backups and playing it safe. You’ll be ok.
Since switching to Linux I have nuked my system maybe 5 or 6 times?
When I initially installed it I set the EFI partition to ext4, that caused some trouble when I updated my kernel lol. Then just recently I accidentally wrote a floppy disc image to the wrong drive and wiped out my /home partition. Luckily testdisk is a thing.
Everything else I can just rely on my BTRFS snapshots. My drive setup is more than janky, but it works.
“Why don’t you like our copilot features?” -Microshit-
The biggest selling point of Windows these days in familiarity, backwards compatibility, and gaming.
And the only one of those not under active threat by someone is the backwards compatibility. Which means there is an active shelf life on the viability of Windows as a big money maker on the consumer desktop/laptop. And once it starts to falter in that market then the enterprise will start to follow.
Ah, it may be the decreased quality and increased openly aggressive data collection
No, it’s the non-users who are wrong!
It’s a mystery
Ooo I love a mystery
Even slower than Windows 10? That's impressive...
I mean if you tell 50% of your client base they have to buy a new PC…
Especially, in the current economic climate.
They should make 64 GB RAM a minimum requirement. That alone is 500€ right there.
with all the AI and bloat hogging up your memory im not surprised if its just there to peddle ADVERTISEMENTS 100% OF THE TIME.
I want to qualify this comment with the fact that I am not a super gamer. Most my games are older. The newest and most demanding game I play is Cyberpunk 2077. Most my other games are multiple years older and less demanding.
I finally switched full time to a Linux desktop OS. I have used Linux more or less daily for decades, the first distro I ever installed was Slackware what feels forever ago. But until Valve put the work into running games on linux for their Steam deck I felt I was trapped needing to have Windows to play games. I have even spent the last decade forcing myself to rely more and more on cross platform available FOSS dreaming of some day making a permanent switch. Honestly it was so easy for me to switch at this point, most games pretty much just ran. My biggest problem took a bit to grok and it was just because some games do not like running in proton from an NTFS partition. I have NVME and SATA SSDs separate from my boot drive that I used to install games on and it was trivial to reformat the NVME drive to a more Linux friendly filesystem and I have not had an issue since. Eventually I’ll do the SATA drive but I’m lazy and those games are working fine so far. You will absolutely have problems with some games, especially some that have overbearing anti-cheat systems, but man this has been so easy I couldn’t really have imagined. The only non-gaming problem was a document scanner we own that is not supported by SANE. I could not find a solution to run it on Linux so I just spun up a Tiny 11 copy of Windows in a VM and passed it through. We only use it a couple times a year so this is an acceptable compromise to me. The VM doesn’t have Internet access, it just sees a local drive as a network share. All it can do is scan something and save it to the shared drive so I can access it in Linux.
I chose Linux Mint because I am well versed with Debian and Ubuntu. But I suggest anyone new to Linux give Bazzite a shot. It’s designed to be a lot harder for you to break. It’s also more optimized for gaming if that’s your focus. For me gaming is a requirement but I’ve never felt the need for top tier performance.
The path from 3.1 to 11 has been such a sour one and the last thing I am willing to put up with is being the product in the eyes of my desktop OS. My computer is mine and it will do why I want it to do or it will do nothing at all.
My biggest problem took a bit to grok
Now that you’re on Linux pop Docker on there and install Ollama/WebUI on there so you can run your own grok at home and not have to support yet another horrible company
Fucking apatheid emerald mine inheritor ruining perfectly good words from the nerd culture…
Try again.
You do realize he's using the original definition of grok, right?
I would imagine a big reason being that windows 11 doesnt work on a ton of older systems which meant nobody upgraded to it and instead lived out the life of the hardware until they actually needed to buy something new. The crazy part to me is older systems wasnt even that long ago. I remember when 11 came out and saw a bunch of systems only 2 years old that weren’t compatible. I said screw it and just forced it on them and honestly I have had no issues on about 3 different systems so whatever I guess.
That makes sense. Upgrading your PC/laptop when RAM and SSD prices are skyrocketing is ridiculous.
I recently bought a tpm 2.0 chip for a 7th Gen intel and found out that win 11 will install on 7th Gen without any hacks when done fresh from a usb install, and it only checks for tye existence of tpm 2.0. The cpu Gen block is 100% a choice MS made it seems, likely because not all 7th Gen capable motherboards had tpm or expansion slots so they just went “screw them, all 7th Gen and lower is blocked”.
I’ve used the regkey hack years ago, but recent ones seemed more difficult to bypass. I ended up using a USB stick as well and formatted it with Rufus which has all the options built in to bypass it all. It worked 100% of the time the 3 times I used it. Before doing that 2 systems just wouldnt complete and always ended up giving an error at some point. One of my older systems at work is a Dell Precision which came with a Xeon processor which is normally a server CPU and windows 11 doesnt support server at all so those CPUs aren’t compatible. Been running 11 on it 2 years now and is completely stable. The tower is almost 10 years old now, but I dont want to give it up because I know ill never get anything nearly as powerful as a replacement today haha.
I don’t think it actually needs the tpm 2.0 or even 1.1 as it’s only used for automatic bitlocker decryption
pretty much how I saw it. 10 was a push towards accepting all hardware configurations. 11 put restrictions in the name of security. so even if a user WANTED to upgrade, there’s technically a barrier that Microsoft would block them (albeit that check can be bypassed).
I use windows 10 at home while I use windows 11 at work. The only thing I like about windows 11 is tabs in the file explorer. Besides that I’ve had to deal with Windows Explorer crashing on a daily basis, task bar freezing completely multiple times a week, certain software straight up not working that I need to get work done, programs crashing that work perfectly fine on 10, internet connectivity issues (usually DNS for some fucking reason), periodically hearing the disconnect sound for a device even when everything is still working, awful drop down menus, needing to change the registry just to get basic features that 10 has, and the list goes on and on. At home everything just works. I’ve been testing Linux and have been getting better stability than Windows 11 and I feel like every week there’s a new problem.
neowin.net/…/microsoft-finally-admits-almost-all-…
On the positive side though, following all that backlash, Microsoft acknowledged Windows has issues, and as if on cue, the company in a new support article has admitted that there are problems on almost every major Windows 11 core feature. The issues are related to XAML and this impacts all the Shell components like the Start Menu, Taskbar, Explorer, and Windows Settings.
Explorer.exe crash shelhost.exe crash StartMenuExperienceHost issues System Settings silently fails to launch Application crashes when initializing the XAML views Explorer running but no taskbar window. other XAML island views fail to initialize. ImmersiveShell problems
I have to use Windows 11 for work. Maybe this is because of CrowdStrike or something, I don’t know, but I often encounter a problem where the main section of explorer, where you can actually click files and stuff, just breaks. That entire region becomes unclickable and unusable, even though the rest of the Explorer window (like the icons on the top part) all still work. So I just have to close the window and then reopen Explorer, re-navigate back to where I was, and proceed from where I left off.
Never, in the decades I’ve been using computers, have I ever encountered something as stupid as this with this amount of regularity. Windows 11 is a uniquely bad OS compared to every competitor option, including prior versions of Windows.
For almost 20 years, I’ve never lost hours of work due to the OS. The Crowdstrike incident was one of three times I was interrupted by the OS in the last 2,3 years. All of the interruptions are from Windows 11, not 10. This week for, for some reason, Windows is slower to respond than usual, when going to different tabs. I’m one formatting away from getting rid of the Windows 11 in my laptop. I was thinking of dual booting Mint there but it’s looking more and more I don’t need Windows. Bazzite has been fantastic.
I run into that same issue from time to time. Another one I run into is when I click on items on the task bar it doesn’t bring it up as the active window even when everything else is working. I have to ALT+tab to bring up any Window or minimize every window just to find the one I want and it is absolutely infuriating.
My 78 year old mother bought a new laptop, windows 11.
Immediately I had to remote in because of some S mode BS which just put you in the MS only application environment.
3 months later and somehow she fubarred her login and can’t use her new laptop. There’s probably an easy fix, but since she hates windows 11 and wants to go back to 10, I suggested Linux.
So it will be a Merry Christmas for my mom when I visit and install IDK? Some version that’s super simple. Anything is better than what she currently has
Can’t go wrong with good old Linux Mint
Try Zorin OS, its Ubuntu based they have a windows 11 theme.
Do they still offer a Win10 theme? When I first tried it, they still had a Win7 theme.
I think KDE Neon would be nice for a new user. I like Pop OS and it’s really cute and sleek but the shortcuts are needlessly different from windows a bunch of times, if she’s somehow used to alt+tab to change windows and not just window groups she’s gonna have a hard time learning another way to do it.
At some point, I need to get around to installing Mint on my desktop. Maybe this weekend, but probably not.
It was extremely easy when I did it. Had everything running in 20 min. The real drag was me wanting to use a more efficient file system, so I spent a day converting my drives to ext4.
Do it this weekend.
Zorin and Cachy are great choices too, but Mint is awesome as well. Anything but Windows 11 lol
Good.
Windows 11 brings change but no significant features. The general population hates change.
I wonder if a lot of it is because Microsoft will say your computer isn’t compatible to upgrade but meanwhile it actually CAN be upgraded and users are just taking what Microsoft tells them as truth and not investigating further.
I myself have upgraded a couple of family members machines to Win 11 even though “technically” Microsoft claims they can’t be. just went ahead with it anyways. I could have just thrown Linux on them like Mint or something but some people are just comfortable within windows.
The executive also noted that 500 million PCs don’t meet Windows 11’s system requirements while the others don’t need a hardware upgrade to run the OS. Although this would indicate that 500 million PCs would potentially be replaced with newer alternatives capable of running Windows 11 at some point, Clarke hinted at “roughly flat” sales for Dell PCs would moving forward . Clarke didn’t explain the reasoning behind this statement , but it could mean that people are just not that interested in upgrading to Windows 11 PCs.
It’s a simple reason. Everybody is abandoning dell in droves for lenovo in enterprise environments.
I used to buy dell exclusively for laptops across over a decade at multiple organizations where I determined hardware standards and purchasing. Everyone always wanted a x1 carbon or thinkpad but the prices were too high. This is no longer the case. Now everyone gets a thinkpad or x1 carbon where I work at least, and statistics for market share are heavily on the lenovo side now.
That’s how I see it anyway. This has nothing to do with windows 11, it’s just another service pack when you’re managing everything via GPO/intune/sccm/whatever.
Besides myself being on Linux, I used to mix Linux and Windows since like 2010 but fully transitioned like 3 years ago, I’m still regularly using a laptop from 2016 as a zoom calls and internet browsing laptop. It gets too hot to have in my lap and the battery lasts like 30 minutes. That’s a dual core integrated graphics chip from 2016. Anyone with a discrete graphics card easily has a solid workstation PC. If you’re not gaming or your not doing something that really benefits from strong hardware, you’re good. No need to upgrade. If you’re not playing new AAA games at 4k maxed, you may be good. This is just same news as how people are holding onto their cell phones longer than before
Maybe it‘s not slower, but smaller? I don‘t use Windows on my computer anymore.
I thought that thumbnail was sonic the hedgehog
mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world 51 minutes ago
micro$oft is getting desperate though
kotaku.com/windows-11-pro-upgrades-going-for-pock…