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Windows 11's adoption is much slower compared to Windows 10, claims Dell
Submitted 3 months ago by throws_lemy@reddthat.com to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.neowin.net/news/windows-11s-adoption-is-much-slower-compared-to-windows-10-claims-dell/
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Meowie_Gamer@lemmy.world 3 months ago
hamid@crazypeople.online 3 months ago
ITT: People who don’t realize there is a massive amount of software developed for smb and enterprise businesses that only run on Windows which is the primary driver of Windows sales. Quickbooks, various ERP implementations, any kind of legal case management software, Sage, etc
Wubwub@lemmy.zip 3 months ago
Is Linux good? I’m thinking of changing over one of my old alienwear laptops to Linux cause it’s just gotten so slow on Windows
SirHery@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Well yes it can be. If you have a Nvidia GPU it wouldn’t be the best because they sometimes have driver issues (that’s Nvidia with closed shitty drivers for linux). I will probably run fine anyways. I would recommend Bazzite if you don’t want to tinker with linux and just use it. CachyOS if you want a snappy experience. Gaming wise they don’t have any difference and with Bazzite you can’t fuck anything up.
Wubwub@lemmy.zip 3 months ago
Thanks for that, yeah unfortunately it is nvidia but i might give those two a run anyway at the end of the day i can always re install windows if need be.
Toes@ani.social 3 months ago
Heh, you know it’s bad when the OEMs are throwing shade.
Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Duh.
LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world 3 months ago
They keep updating my windows 10 computers at work and the one I have at home. None of my Microsoft apps work, I can’t install paint, or photos or the Microsoft store. My personal computer freezes as soon as I open windows explorer. This just started after the last update.
I already have a Linux server downstairs and this week converted me windows 10 pc to endeavor OS. It’s lightning fast and easy to use if you already know the problems with Linux.
KelvarCherry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 months ago
“Slower” implies you’re projecting the same end results. Do they think the missing numbers are just not using a computer at all? In the digital age? By far your largest numbers of actual Win11 migrators are companies whose tech policy is the CYA “update everything in case we get hacked”.
The common folk are not going to buy a new computer just to get a slower Windows installation. The people who migrate from Windows 10/7 holdouts are going to be migrating to Linux.
sonofearth@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I really don’t see what more Windows has to offer than Linux other some shitty software that cannot be run on Linux (Looks at newer Office and Adobe). In that case I can just boot up a VM with black-flag Windows Pro on it.
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 3 months ago
I really don’t see what more Windows has to offer than Linux
Stability, updates management, built-in features (like window tiling), etc.
Source: using Linux exclusively for almost a year now.
killabeezio@lemmy.zip 3 months ago
Stability? Update management? Window tiling? What? Linux does have all of these things. In fact Linux is way more stable than Windows, has better update management. Mind you, it does depend on the distro and the amount of stability you want, but I have been running Debian servers for years and I hardly run into problems.
The only thing windows offers over Linux is gaming and a better UI. Even both of those are dwindling away. I hate the new windows 11 UI and most games work on Linux unless you require a rootkit for some anti cheat software.
sonofearth@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Wait… Either I have bad grammar or you misinterpreted lol. I meant “Linux has more to offer than Windows”
DeICEAmerica@lemmy.world 3 months ago
LMAO says the guy typing from a Windows 7 Desktop purchased in 2012. This PC still works amazingly well for a 13 year old Alienware. Anyone who has ever owned one will tell you this a unicorn. I will never click the update icon sitting in the tray for years now. Get fucked. This OS still rocks. If I want to play a current game I open up my laptop and close it when done.
vaderaj@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Successfully booted up Linux mint today, stayed on windows for uni (thinking I might need one of those Microsoft apps). Missed Linux and now back :)
nolikeymachine@lemmy.zip 3 months ago
Couldn’t imagine why lmao
IonTempted@lemmynsfw.com 3 months ago
Because Windows 11 shouldn’t have been made in the first place, I can’t find one reason why they couldn’t just kept updating 10.
IEatDaFeesh@lemmy.world 3 months ago
[deleted]nialv7@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Win10 already supports TPM 2.0, it just becomes mandatory in 11.
And no, TPM doesn’t spy on you.
IonTempted@lemmynsfw.com 3 months ago
I n ever understood why they couldn’t make TPM 2.0 work on W10
Simplicity@lemmy.world 3 months ago
One good reason: so all of the fucking half ass obnoxious shit that have put into 11 didn’t taint 10.
Rolive@discuss.tchncs.de 3 months ago
10 was obnoxious enough. 11 dialed it up to 11.
Canconda@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
Beside greed, forcing people to use fully integrated AI. Cuz they damn know well that 90% of us will disable that shit like we did One Drive.
chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I don’t even think it’s greed at this point. As far as I know, no one is making money on AI. Even NVIDIA is cooking the books by investing in AI companies and just making them use the invested money to buy graphics cards. They report those as sales but are they really sales if they gave them the money in the first place?
I think the real reason Microsoft is shoving AI down everyone’s throats is because they went all-in on AI and they’re hoping to keep the bubble going for now and somehow it will work out in the end. It’s literally a fake it until you make it strategy with zero guarantee of making it.
A lot of it I think is just driven by managers with AI FOMO. They really don’t know what AI is supposed to do but they’re hoping users will figure it out.
IonTempted@lemmynsfw.com 3 months ago
Funny thing is I still don’t know why they needed a new version of Windows for that, I mean 10 was already bloat it they could have just shoved AI into it, as in the TPM 2.0 they could have just made a new 25H(whatever the fuck) version where you’d need to enable that on the motherboard.
sircac@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Is it even being “adopted”?
oftenawake@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
Win2k Pro was the last version of Windows that was actually any good!
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Considering all of the comments saying that a big part of this is people not wanting to buy new computers and choosing linux because it will run on their old machine, I’d like to add insult to injury and say I built a new PC before Oct and windows was never even a consideration.
And despite it being my first Linux install I planned to play games on, everything went smoothly and I’d even say the “setting up the PC to my preference instead of the defaults” step was better because there wasn’t a “figure out how to disable the shit ms really wants you to run for them” substep, or a “figure out what new shit ms added that I’ll want to disable” discovery mode that, with win 10, lasted most of the time I was using it and included “figure out if a recent update reset settings to annoying defaults”.
I bet this is why people are so vocal about switching to linux whenever there’s another complaint about ms. It went way better than expected, like I was about to do something that would cause ongoing pain and frustration to get away from something even worse, but there’s been nothing at all that has made me miss windows.
Dojan@pawb.social 3 months ago
Yeah. I built my PC two years back and Linux was the main idea for it. I’d used Linux on and off since 2007, and it’s honestly been fine this entire time, with WINE and such only improving over time. I remember how baffled I was back in 2007 when I didn’t have to install any drivers myself, everything just worked out of the box, even fucking printers.
This is the time of Windows Vista, where nothing worked.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Yeah, I’ve got a logitech mouse but didn’t want logitech’s software on my machine, so I just used the mouse by plugging it in. Which worked, but I had no way of knowing the battery level until the mouse itself started blinking low power.
When I installed fedora, I was confused a bit because it had a system tray icon saying the battery was charging. I was thinking it thought it was a laptop until I realize it had just picked up the battery information from my mouse. A feature I had written off under windows just worked without me even considering it or needing to install software that was partly about using my hardware and partially about advertising more ways to get my money.
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
This article is trash, it mentions existing windows 10 features in windows 11 like it’s a groundbreaking new technology.
Virtual desktops and clipboard manager? Cmon man we’ve been having that for years now
Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 3 months ago
having that for years now
since abaout the late 90’s to early 00’s. KDE 1 released with virtual desktops, and from what I can tell, Klipper either released with it, or a few years later
angband@lemmy.world 3 months ago
fvwm, 1993. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FVWM
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
My company is still on windows 10 cause we’re broke af. We’re so screwed
echodot@feddit.uk 3 months ago
We’ve been switching over to Windows 11 and it’s broken so many of our old applications.
We have stuff that’s like 40 years old and it just won’t tolerate Windows 11 so all those programs have to be run in a virtual environment. They were fine with Windows 10 so I’ve no idea what about Windows 11 they don’t like. I wouldn’t mind so much if there was an obvious advantage to Windows 11 but therr literally isn’t, there’s not a single feature in Windows 11 that would help us do business better.
But I think Windows 11 is on track to be the crap version, so Windows 12 will hopefully be better although given the current direction Microsoft moving that might not be the case, and they may have finally broken the crap then good cycle.
Breadhax0r@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Remember when Microsoft said windows 10 was going to be the last major windows version and they were just going to support it forever with rolling updates, and then later said they never said that.
Pepperidge farm remembers.
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Windows 12 will be a realtime AI fever dream, generated as the user uses it.
webp@mander.xyz 3 months ago
Windows 12? 🤣
atmorous@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Switch to Linux Mint, KDE, or Pop OS Cosmic
Then once comfortable get your company to switch to it
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
Nah, the transition to Loonix will being up so many issues. Our IT dept is already stretched really thin as it is
buttfarts@lemy.lol 3 months ago
The challenge is those 20 years old Windows 3.1 software apps they still use
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I’m guessing if they’re too broke to switch their tech stack to Windows 11, the costs to switch to an entirely new paradigm is completely out of the question.
mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world 3 months ago
micro$oft is getting desperate though
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Is that site just an ads disguised as articles site now? Like it’s not just news about the sale, it’s actively trying to sell win 11 (and not doing a great job with its list of “I thought it already did that”, “underwhelming feature”, “no, I still don’t fucking want onedrive; I no longer trust you with my own files on my computer, let alone saving everything on yours”.)
flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 3 months ago
The biggest selling point of Windows these days in familiarity, backwards compatibility, and gaming.
And the only one of those not under active threat by someone is the backwards compatibility. Which means there is an active shelf life on the viability of Windows as a big money maker on the consumer desktop/laptop. And once it starts to falter in that market then the enterprise will start to follow.
chunes@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Blows my mind seeing people look on windows 10 as some kind of last bastion, apparently not realizing that was Windows 7 at best.
10 is the one where they fucked up the UX beyond repair, made everything slow and added insane amounts of spying. If you willingly switched to 10 then don’t pretend like 11 is a bridge too far now.
REDACTED@infosec.pub 3 months ago
I’d actually say it was 8.1, but the problem with 8.1 is that it died before people could discover how good it is combined with classical start menu. It was basically a fleshed out, faster, more stable Windows 7 with updated tech like newer directx and cached boot (aka. Fastboot). Almost non-existing market share, but I liked it far better than 7, 10 and 11 (only gave it 1 week)
Revan343@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
10 is the one where they fucked up the UX beyond repair
Was it? I gave up on 8 because of the UI, downgraded back to 7 and that was my last Windows machine. Was 10 worse?
chunes@lemmy.world 3 months ago
8 was such a disaster that people don’t really consider it a real version of windows. 10 was actually better than 8 but that’s not saying much
Daedskin@lemmy.zip 3 months ago
I was on Windows 7 until April of 2021, when I was taking a certification exam remotely, and didn’t find out that the software they used for it didn’t work on 7 until after I had paid the registration fee. Windows 10 was useable enough, but I never thought it was preferable over 7. Anyway, I’m on Bazzite now.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
I didn’t willingly switch to 10, though, that was my only choice
echodot@feddit.uk 3 months ago
It took me ages today to work out how to map a drive letter because they’ve changed where the menu button is. You used to be able to do it from the taskbar at the top, but now it’s hidden in a right click menu in a different part of the file browser to where it used to be. I don’t understand the point of changes like that, by all means add more options but keep the old ones around for consistency.
hamid@crazypeople.online 3 months ago
net use still works
Bytemeister@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Managing printers in 11 is the worst. The sad part is that the old-style devices and printers menu is still in the OS, you just have to dig for it a bit, and it works 1000x better.
StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I still can’t grasp that Microsoft, a $3.6 trillion company, developed a new settings interface but failed to migrate all settings to it, forcing users to use both. Even I know that’s day one UX shite and I’m quite stupid.
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
What’s hilarious is that this started with Win10 so its been an issue for over a decade now and two major revisions at least (possibly started on Win8).
sudoku@programming.dev 3 months ago
People said they will never upgrade from 7 to 10, and now they are saying they will never upgrade from 10 to 11
dreamkeeper@literature.cafe 3 months ago
The difference is that Windows 11 is locked behind behind hardware requirements. A lot of people simply can’t upgrade.
RamRabbit@lemmy.world 3 months ago
and now they are saying they will never upgrade from 10 to 11
The stats show people are bailing this time. English speakers are jumping ship at historically unprecedented rates. Steam stats
kazerniel@lemmy.world 3 months ago
^ This, I had to be dragged kicking and screaming from 7 to 10, and now looking forward to another 3 years of Win10 security updates, while fervently praying that Adobe and my online games develop Linux support in that time >_>
MrMeanJavaBean@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I couldn’t be happier, ditching Windows for Linux.
7rokhym@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
Linux for desktop. MacBook Air for my laptop, only because of Microsoft Office. Bought a cheap Office for Mac 2021 licence. Mac is also much better than Windows 11 too: responsive, Fast wake/sleep, no 20 minute reboots with mystery updates, no registry, no Powershell. If you can avoid Office documents and run an AMD GPU, anyone should be golden on Linux. NVidia is fine if you are comfortable with command line. Not really sure what Windows has going for it except inertia, but if your coasting, you are going downhill…
Burninator05@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Windows has the enterprise. What Fortune 500 company uses Linux on the desktop?
echodot@feddit.uk 3 months ago
Even all the design agencies use Macs, no one in the business world uses Linux. Except for servers obviously.
7rokhym@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
It’s a burning platform, but the future isn’t bright. IT and security would love to get rid of Windows desktops, they are nightmare to manage and secure. Problem is legacy.
But who still uses native Windows Apps other than Office? Legacy apps are out there, but also being migrated to low code browser apps. Even Office is an web app and Microsoft has been converting their ‘native’ apps into browser containers. Point is that Almost everything runs on a web browser and that is what kids have been using in schools for nearly 10 years. To date, ChromeOS is widely used in some roles (contact center, some back office). Developers, graphics, video, marketing, executives, along with most sales often use Mac, and nearly every enterprise uses both Android and IPhone /iPad OS.
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FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 3 months ago
To be clear, I’m not ‘not adopting’ - I’m actively boycotting that shit. The whole TOM thing was annoying enough, but everything else surrounding it has proven to me that Microsoft cannot be trusted with that level of access to MY hardware.
So yeah, I’m going to put Linux on my PC and ultimately back to Mac full time, I imagine.
echodot@feddit.uk 3 months ago
I really need to upgrade my setup, but I don’t really feel like selling one of my kidneys so I can afford 8 gigabytes of RAM (it’s not a good kidney so I’m being realistic).
Anyway my current system has windows 11 on it anyway so I might as well just keep using that but as soon as I have the option to leave I’m going to.
I need to keep windows 11 around for work but as soon as I can build a system that can hold to two whole operating systems at a time I’m going to go over to dual booting. Unless the steam machine turns out to be cheaper than anyone’s realistically expecting, in which case I might just go that route. The current RAM prices mean that’s probably unlikely.
reksas@sopuli.xyz 3 months ago
10 had at least SOME good in it, at first i didnt want to move on from 7 but when i finally did it was okay. Everything i have heard about 11 is awful, and i wasnt very pleased with it myself either when i tried it at work, though i was able to mostly ignore it since it was just my work pc.
And now after switching to mint, idea of using 11 is preposterous.
RaoulDook@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Had to “upgrade” my work laptop to 11 for security support. Nothing about it is better. Almost everything is slower, and many common operations take more steps to complete on 11 vs 10.
Absolute fuckin’ garbage.
njordomir@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I learned to tolerate 10 for my limited uses. Like you, my Windows PC jumped from 7 to 10. When 11 rolled around, the centered start menu was the first thing I noticed and it was an instant wtf moment.
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Microsoft needs to be sued to allow for a Linux desktop Excel. Once that happens they would lose like half their market share to Linux.
RamRabbit@lemmy.world 3 months ago
LibreOffice is good. While people don’t like learning new things, I found it does everything I could want.
I actually switched years ago because I didn’t want to pay for MS Office.
andallthat@lemmy.world 3 months ago
It’s almost like “you have to buy a new laptop to install it and help train our AI on all you documents” is somehow not convincing enough. Maybe if they also removed local accounts and forced you to have an online MS account? Nah scratch that, it would be stupid
rozodru@pie.andmc.ca 3 months ago
I wonder if a lot of it is because Microsoft will say your computer isn’t compatible to upgrade but meanwhile it actually CAN be upgraded and users are just taking what Microsoft tells them as truth and not investigating further.
I myself have upgraded a couple of family members machines to Win 11 even though “technically” Microsoft claims they can’t be. just went ahead with it anyways. I could have just thrown Linux on them like Mint or something but some people are just comfortable within windows.
cyberwolfie@lemmy.ml 3 months ago
“Used to” maybe, bu “comfortable” is a stretch
FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 3 months ago
Good.
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 3 months ago
Because 8 was garbage and people got rid of it as soon as possible. 10 was actually good, and 11 was barely a change functionally until they started messing with the ads push, and now they’re shoving LLM bullshit in to justify their exorbitant expenditures on the half functional tech.
TBi@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Yep. I Kept 7 for as long as possible but had to upgrade so 10 was next. I wouldn’t move to 11 if support continued for 10.
InvalidName2@lemmy.zip 3 months ago
You probably know this, but for others who might not: MS is now allowing some/many/all (???) people to extend the security updates for Win10 for another year free of charge. You have to go into the Windows update area and click a button to accept. At least in the USA, this seems to be a somewhat newly available option, as it was there the last time someone asked me to look at their laptop to see if I could upgrade it to Win11.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 3 months ago
. I wouldn’t move to 11 if support continued for 10.
Which is exactly the reason they’re ending support.
If you don’t have a reason to stay, Linux is definitely worth a shot. I moved from 10 to Bazzite in my rig earlier in the year, and it’s been pretty solid.
carrylex@lemmy.world 3 months ago
themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
That is because it is buggy, I use windows 11 both at home and work. It is very unstable compared to Windows 10.
semperverus@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Oh, you think its the bugs that are the main culprit? I have a CoPilot to sell you