Gee, I can’t imagine why that could be.
Windows 11's adoption is much slower compared to Windows 10, claims Dell
Submitted 3 weeks ago by throws_lemy@reddthat.com to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.neowin.net/news/windows-11s-adoption-is-much-slower-compared-to-windows-10-claims-dell/
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sturmblast@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Oh, I can think of a few reasons.
You know it’s bad when even I switch to linux. I don’t understand linux. I literally back up my entire hard drive everytime I attempt to do ANYTHING. Because I WILL screw up my whole system to the point it won’t boot. I’ve done it many times over the coarse of the past year.
Then I gotta spend a whole day waiting for things to restore from backup. And then whatever I WAD trying to do, still isn’t done.
That has been my experience using linux this past year.
But Windows 11? No.
Quazatron@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s how you level up in Linux. You break things, learn what you did wrong and do better next time. Linux won’t hold your hand, you can and will shoot yourself in the foot.
You are doing it right by having backups and playing it safe. You’ll be ok.
FireWire400@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Since switching to Linux I have nuked my system maybe 5 or 6 times?
When I initially installed it I set the EFI partition to ext4, that caused some trouble when I updated my kernel lol. Then just recently I accidentally wrote a floppy disc image to the wrong drive and wiped out my /home partition. Luckily
testdiskis a thing.Everything else I can just rely on my BTRFS snapshots. My drive setup is more than janky, but it works.
chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“Why don’t you like our copilot features?” -Microshit-
IonTempted@lemmynsfw.com 2 weeks ago
Because Windows 11 shouldn’t have been made in the first place, I can’t find one reason why they couldn’t just kept updating 10.
Canconda@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Beside greed, forcing people to use fully integrated AI. Cuz they damn know well that 90% of us will disable that shit like we did One Drive.
chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I don’t even think it’s greed at this point. As far as I know, no one is making money on AI. Even NVIDIA is cooking the books by investing in AI companies and just making them use the invested money to buy graphics cards. They report those as sales but are they really sales if they gave them the money in the first place?
I think the real reason Microsoft is shoving AI down everyone’s throats is because they went all-in on AI and they’re hoping to keep the bubble going for now and somehow it will work out in the end. It’s literally a fake it until you make it strategy with zero guarantee of making it.
A lot of it I think is just driven by managers with AI FOMO. They really don’t know what AI is supposed to do but they’re hoping users will figure it out.
IonTempted@lemmynsfw.com 2 weeks ago
Funny thing is I still don’t know why they needed a new version of Windows for that, I mean 10 was already bloat it they could have just shoved AI into it, as in the TPM 2.0 they could have just made a new 25H(whatever the fuck) version where you’d need to enable that on the motherboard.
Simplicity@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
One good reason: so all of the fucking half ass obnoxious shit that have put into 11 didn’t taint 10.
Rolive@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
10 was obnoxious enough. 11 dialed it up to 11.
IEatDaFeesh@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
[deleted]IonTempted@lemmynsfw.com 2 weeks ago
I n ever understood why they couldn’t make TPM 2.0 work on W10
nialv7@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Win10 already supports TPM 2.0, it just becomes mandatory in 11.
And no, TPM doesn’t spy on you.
HeyJoe@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I would imagine a big reason being that windows 11 doesnt work on a ton of older systems which meant nobody upgraded to it and instead lived out the life of the hardware until they actually needed to buy something new. The crazy part to me is older systems wasnt even that long ago. I remember when 11 came out and saw a bunch of systems only 2 years old that weren’t compatible. I said screw it and just forced it on them and honestly I have had no issues on about 3 different systems so whatever I guess.
throws_lemy@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
That makes sense. Upgrading your PC/laptop when RAM and SSD prices are skyrocketing is ridiculous.
PhAzE@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
I recently bought a tpm 2.0 chip for a 7th Gen intel and found out that win 11 will install on 7th Gen without any hacks when done fresh from a usb install, and it only checks for tye existence of tpm 2.0. The cpu Gen block is 100% a choice MS made it seems, likely because not all 7th Gen capable motherboards had tpm or expansion slots so they just went “screw them, all 7th Gen and lower is blocked”.
HeyJoe@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’ve used the regkey hack years ago, but recent ones seemed more difficult to bypass. I ended up using a USB stick as well and formatted it with Rufus which has all the options built in to bypass it all. It worked 100% of the time the 3 times I used it. Before doing that 2 systems just wouldnt complete and always ended up giving an error at some point. One of my older systems at work is a Dell Precision which came with a Xeon processor which is normally a server CPU and windows 11 doesnt support server at all so those CPUs aren’t compatible. Been running 11 on it 2 years now and is completely stable. The tower is almost 10 years old now, but I dont want to give it up because I know ill never get anything nearly as powerful as a replacement today haha.
Wispy2891@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I don’t think it actually needs the tpm 2.0 or even 1.1 as it’s only used for automatic bitlocker decryption
Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
pretty much how I saw it. 10 was a push towards accepting all hardware configurations. 11 put restrictions in the name of security. so even if a user WANTED to upgrade, there’s technically a barrier that Microsoft would block them (albeit that check can be bypassed).
roofuskit@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I want to qualify this comment with the fact that I am not a super gamer. Most my games are older. The newest and most demanding game I play is Cyberpunk 2077. Most my other games are multiple years older and less demanding.
I finally switched full time to a Linux desktop OS. I have used Linux more or less daily for decades, the first distro I ever installed was Slackware what feels forever ago. But until Valve put the work into running games on linux for their Steam deck I felt I was trapped needing to have Windows to play games. I have even spent the last decade forcing myself to rely more and more on cross platform available FOSS dreaming of some day making a permanent switch. Honestly it was so easy for me to switch at this point, most games pretty much just ran. My biggest problem took a bit to grok and it was just because some games do not like running in proton from an NTFS partition. I have NVME and SATA SSDs separate from my boot drive that I used to install games on and it was trivial to reformat the NVME drive to a more Linux friendly filesystem and I have not had an issue since. Eventually I’ll do the SATA drive but I’m lazy and those games are working fine so far. You will absolutely have problems with some games, especially some that have overbearing anti-cheat systems, but man this has been so easy I couldn’t really have imagined. The only non-gaming problem was a document scanner we own that is not supported by SANE. I could not find a solution to run it on Linux so I just spun up a Tiny 11 copy of Windows in a VM and passed it through. We only use it a couple times a year so this is an acceptable compromise to me. The VM doesn’t have Internet access, it just sees a local drive as a network share. All it can do is scan something and save it to the shared drive so I can access it in Linux.
I chose Linux Mint because I am well versed with Debian and Ubuntu. But I suggest anyone new to Linux give Bazzite a shot. It’s designed to be a lot harder for you to break. It’s also more optimized for gaming if that’s your focus. For me gaming is a requirement but I’ve never felt the need for top tier performance.
The path from 3.1 to 11 has been such a sour one and the last thing I am willing to put up with is being the product in the eyes of my desktop OS. My computer is mine and it will do why I want it to do or it will do nothing at all.
mierdabird@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
My biggest problem took a bit to grok
Now that you’re on Linux pop Docker on there and install Ollama/WebUI on there so you can run your own grok at home and not have to support yet another horrible company
Hawke@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Try again.
TriangleSpecialist@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Fucking apatheid emerald mine inheritor ruining perfectly good words from the nerd culture…
Davel23@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
You do realize he's using the original definition of grok, right?
chunes@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Blows my mind seeing people look on windows 10 as some kind of last bastion, apparently not realizing that was Windows 7 at best.
10 is the one where they fucked up the UX beyond repair, made everything slow and added insane amounts of spying. If you willingly switched to 10 then don’t pretend like 11 is a bridge too far now.
StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I still can’t grasp that Microsoft, a $3.6 trillion company, developed a new settings interface but failed to migrate all settings to it, forcing users to use both. Even I know that’s day one UX shite and I’m quite stupid.
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
What’s hilarious is that this started with Win10 so its been an issue for over a decade now and two major revisions at least (possibly started on Win8).
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I didn’t willingly switch to 10, though, that was my only choice
REDACTED@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
I’d actually say it was 8.1, but the problem with 8.1 is that it died before people could discover how good it is combined with classical start menu. It was basically a fleshed out, faster, more stable Windows 7 with updated tech like newer directx and cached boot (aka. Fastboot). Almost non-existing market share, but I liked it far better than 7, 10 and 11 (only gave it 1 week)
echodot@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
It took me ages today to work out how to map a drive letter because they’ve changed where the menu button is. You used to be able to do it from the taskbar at the top, but now it’s hidden in a right click menu in a different part of the file browser to where it used to be. I don’t understand the point of changes like that, by all means add more options but keep the old ones around for consistency.
Bytemeister@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Managing printers in 11 is the worst. The sad part is that the old-style devices and printers menu is still in the OS, you just have to dig for it a bit, and it works 1000x better.
hamid@crazypeople.online 2 weeks ago
net use still works
Revan343@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
10 is the one where they fucked up the UX beyond repair
Was it? I gave up on 8 because of the UI, downgraded back to 7 and that was my last Windows machine. Was 10 worse?
chunes@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
8 was such a disaster that people don’t really consider it a real version of windows. 10 was actually better than 8 but that’s not saying much
sudoku@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
People said they will never upgrade from 7 to 10, and now they are saying they will never upgrade from 10 to 11
kazerniel@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
^ This, I had to be dragged kicking and screaming from 7 to 10, and now looking forward to another 3 years of Win10 security updates, while fervently praying that Adobe and my online games develop Linux support in that time >_>
dreamkeeper@literature.cafe 2 weeks ago
The difference is that Windows 11 is locked behind behind hardware requirements. A lot of people simply can’t upgrade.
RamRabbit@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
and now they are saying they will never upgrade from 10 to 11
The stats show people are bailing this time. English speakers are jumping ship at historically unprecedented rates. Steam stats
Daedskin@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I was on Windows 7 until April of 2021, when I was taking a certification exam remotely, and didn’t find out that the software they used for it didn’t work on 7 until after I had paid the registration fee. Windows 10 was useable enough, but I never thought it was preferable over 7. Anyway, I’m on Bazzite now.
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
This article is trash, it mentions existing windows 10 features in windows 11 like it’s a groundbreaking new technology.
Virtual desktops and clipboard manager? Cmon man we’ve been having that for years now
Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
having that for years now
since abaout the late 90’s to early 00’s. KDE 1 released with virtual desktops, and from what I can tell, Klipper either released with it, or a few years later
angband@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
fvwm, 1993. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FVWM
imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Obviously. There is no particular reason to switch from old 7th or older gen intel CPUs since with 16GB (or even with 8) of RAM one can browse internet and use OFFICE 365 with no issues. And what most of people do with their computers at work?
Unless PC is used to render 3D/Video/DAW Audio/heavy VMs - there is no fucking need to buy new PC just to upgrade to win11. MS shot themselves in a foot with this one.
KeenFlame@feddit.nu 2 weeks ago
Ah, it may be the decreased quality and increased openly aggressive data collection
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
No, it’s the non-users who are wrong!
lemmy_get_my_coat@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s a mystery
Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Ooo I love a mystery
andallthat@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s almost like “you have to buy a new laptop to install it and help train our AI on all you documents” is somehow not convincing enough. Maybe if they also removed local accounts and forced you to have an online MS account? Nah scratch that, it would be stupid
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
At some point, I need to get around to installing Mint on my desktop. Maybe this weekend, but probably not.
Dettweiler42@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
It was extremely easy when I did it. Had everything running in 20 min. The real drag was me wanting to use a more efficient file system, so I spent a day converting my drives to ext4.
the_q@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Do it this weekend.
Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Zorin and Cachy are great choices too, but Mint is awesome as well. Anything but Windows 11 lol
throws_lemy@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
The main problem for most people when installing Linux is partitioning. Normies usually only use Windows that has been pre-installed, and never install Windows from scratch.
I think you should try Linux on a VM first to get used to it.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I’ve got a Windows 11 laptop as well, so it’s not a big issue if I brick the machine.
I’m just gonna jump in head first. When I get around to it.
QuestionMark@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
The automatic options on Mint make everything extremely easy. Do you want to keep Windows, or get rid of it? How much space do you want to give to Mint and Windows? Okay, done.
Supervisor194@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Hey I just did it! I completed my migration today. The only reason I keep a desktop around at all is for gaming and I’ve been locked into Windows for years because of it, but no more. Steam is a given, but I’m running games off Epic and Gog through Heroic and standalone games using Lutris (ESO and Elite Dangerous so far). Not a single problem with any of them.
Mint is great, the only complaints I have are minor and I can easily deal with them. Like when you launch things, you don’t always get a cursor animation to tell you you successfully set something in motion and you just have to wait for the window to pop up. That kind of thing.
psx_crab@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
It’s pretty straight forward if you don’t do anything else, get a fresh new drive just for it. I’ve been using Mint for a few weeks now and honestly other than some glitch i keep experience here and there(steam store page is noticeably slower and laggier for some reason, and sound glitch that require restart to get rid of) and some initial setup fiddling to suit me, i really doesn’t notice any different than what i’ve been doing in win10.
_cryptagion@anarchist.nexus 2 weeks ago
turn on hardware acceleration for Steam
TommySoda@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I use windows 10 at home while I use windows 11 at work. The only thing I like about windows 11 is tabs in the file explorer. Besides that I’ve had to deal with Windows Explorer crashing on a daily basis, task bar freezing completely multiple times a week, certain software straight up not working that I need to get work done, programs crashing that work perfectly fine on 10, internet connectivity issues (usually DNS for some fucking reason), periodically hearing the disconnect sound for a device even when everything is still working, awful drop down menus, needing to change the registry just to get basic features that 10 has, and the list goes on and on. At home everything just works. I’ve been testing Linux and have been getting better stability than Windows 11 and I feel like every week there’s a new problem.
AlphaOmega@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
My 78 year old mother bought a new laptop, windows 11.
Immediately I had to remote in because of some S mode BS which just put you in the MS only application environment.
3 months later and somehow she fubarred her login and can’t use her new laptop. There’s probably an easy fix, but since she hates windows 11 and wants to go back to 10, I suggested Linux.
So it will be a Merry Christmas for my mom when I visit and install IDK? Some version that’s super simple. Anything is better than what she currently has
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Because 8 was garbage and people got rid of it as soon as possible. 10 was actually good, and 11 was barely a change functionally until they started messing with the ads push, and now they’re shoving LLM bullshit in to justify their exorbitant expenditures on the half functional tech.
nolikeymachine@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Couldn’t imagine why lmao
unknownuserunknownlocation@kbin.earth 2 weeks ago
Even slower than Windows 10? That's impressive...
Brkdncr@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Windows 11 brings change but no significant features. The general population hates change.
Prove_your_argument@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
The executive also noted that 500 million PCs don’t meet Windows 11’s system requirements while the others don’t need a hardware upgrade to run the OS. Although this would indicate that 500 million PCs would potentially be replaced with newer alternatives capable of running Windows 11 at some point, Clarke hinted at “roughly flat” sales for Dell PCs would moving forward . Clarke didn’t explain the reasoning behind this statement , but it could mean that people are just not that interested in upgrading to Windows 11 PCs.
It’s a simple reason. Everybody is abandoning dell in droves for lenovo in enterprise environments.
I used to buy dell exclusively for laptops across over a decade at multiple organizations where I determined hardware standards and purchasing. Everyone always wanted a x1 carbon or thinkpad but the prices were too high. This is no longer the case. Now everyone gets a thinkpad or x1 carbon where I work at least, and statistics for market share are heavily on the lenovo side now.
That’s how I see it anyway. This has nothing to do with windows 11, it’s just another service pack when you’re managing everything via GPO/intune/sccm/whatever.
reksas@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
10 had at least SOME good in it, at first i didnt want to move on from 7 but when i finally did it was okay. Everything i have heard about 11 is awful, and i wasnt very pleased with it myself either when i tried it at work, though i was able to mostly ignore it since it was just my work pc.
And now after switching to mint, idea of using 11 is preposterous.
MrMeanJavaBean@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I couldn’t be happier, ditching Windows for Linux.
carrylex@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
To be clear, I’m not ‘not adopting’ - I’m actively boycotting that shit. The whole TOM thing was annoying enough, but everything else surrounding it has proven to me that Microsoft cannot be trusted with that level of access to MY hardware.
So yeah, I’m going to put Linux on my PC and ultimately back to Mac full time, I imagine.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Considering all of the comments saying that a big part of this is people not wanting to buy new computers and choosing linux because it will run on their old machine, I’d like to add insult to injury and say I built a new PC before Oct and windows was never even a consideration.
And despite it being my first Linux install I planned to play games on, everything went smoothly and I’d even say the “setting up the PC to my preference instead of the defaults” step was better because there wasn’t a “figure out how to disable the shit ms really wants you to run for them” substep, or a “figure out what new shit ms added that I’ll want to disable” discovery mode that, with win 10, lasted most of the time I was using it and included “figure out if a recent update reset settings to annoying defaults”.
I bet this is why people are so vocal about switching to linux whenever there’s another complaint about ms. It went way better than expected, like I was about to do something that would cause ongoing pain and frustration to get away from something even worse, but there’s been nothing at all that has made me miss windows.
mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
micro$oft is getting desperate though
Toes@ani.social 2 weeks ago
Heh, you know it’s bad when the OEMs are throwing shade.
network_switch@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Besides myself being on Linux, I used to mix Linux and Windows since like 2010 but fully transitioned like 3 years ago, I’m still regularly using a laptop from 2016 as a zoom calls and internet browsing laptop. It gets too hot to have in my lap and the battery lasts like 30 minutes. That’s a dual core integrated graphics chip from 2016. Anyone with a discrete graphics card easily has a solid workstation PC. If you’re not gaming or your not doing something that really benefits from strong hardware, you’re good. No need to upgrade. If you’re not playing new AAA games at 4k maxed, you may be good. This is just same news as how people are holding onto their cell phones longer than before
vaderaj@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Successfully booted up Linux mint today, stayed on windows for uni (thinking I might need one of those Microsoft apps). Missed Linux and now back :)
7rokhym@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Linux for desktop. MacBook Air for my laptop, only because of Microsoft Office. Bought a cheap Office for Mac 2021 licence. Mac is also much better than Windows 11 too: responsive, Fast wake/sleep, no 20 minute reboots with mystery updates, no registry, no Powershell. If you can avoid Office documents and run an AMD GPU, anyone should be golden on Linux. NVidia is fine if you are comfortable with command line. Not really sure what Windows has going for it except inertia, but if your coasting, you are going downhill…
KelvarCherry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
“Slower” implies you’re projecting the same end results. Do they think the missing numbers are just not using a computer at all? In the digital age? By far your largest numbers of actual Win11 migrators are companies whose tech policy is the CYA “update everything in case we get hacked”.
The common folk are not going to buy a new computer just to get a slower Windows installation. The people who migrate from Windows 10/7 holdouts are going to be migrating to Linux.
RamRabbit@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It was possible to skip Vista and go straight from XP to 7.
It was possible to skip 8 and go straight from 7 to 10.
This time around, Microsoft is forcing Windows 11 as the only option and it is backfiring on them. People are rejecting it and the competition (Linux) has never been as good.
orclev@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Apparently some are even opting to reinstall Windows 7 rather than the trash fire that is 11. It seems like 10 was never loved, merely tolerated, and as MS continues to enshittify 10 in an attempt to force people onto 11 some are just going back to the previous good version of Windows.
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Those people are stupid. Run a version of windows that won’t make you part of a botnet and make you my problem or don’t run it at all.
RustyShackleford@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I reinstalled Windows 7 on my laptop and dual-boot Linux and Windows 11 on my desktop.
Lfrith@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Windows 10 was when the stupid accounts became a thing on Windows and candy crush being installed after a fresh install so makes sense people never really loved 10. And they managed to make 11 even worse than it was at launch with the copilot crap.
neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Anyone who asks me about this is getting the “At least try Linux for free first before buying a new computer.
Another example I have is that my mother-in-law is retired. You think she needs a new computer? Nope! She’s getting Linux before a new computer. The only other option for her would be an iPad since she’s just browsing the web anyway.
TheBat@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Give her a Steam Deck and some cozy games. 😁
Wispy2891@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You could install windows 10 on something designed for windows XP, provided it has enough RAM
The reason w11 needs a new PC is pure marketing, it doesn’t actually need some specific feature that is present on 8th gen Intel CPUs but not on 7th gen Intel CPUs
RedGreenBlue@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
They need it to run ai and bloat whithout it grinding to a halt.
Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
They need you to have tpm 2.0 in order to push passkeys which are stored on tpm 2.0
CosmoNova@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Very good point. Especially with how broken pricing has been on home computers for years, throwing away your machine for something impossibly expensive is a tough sell to say the least. Especially in this economy. It‘s more feasible to switch to Linux.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
they are forcing it earlier to stave off thier AI bubble bursting