Maybe it‘s not slower, but smaller? I don‘t use Windows on my computer anymore.
Windows 11's adoption is much slower compared to Windows 10, claims Dell
Submitted 4 months ago by throws_lemy@reddthat.com to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.neowin.net/news/windows-11s-adoption-is-much-slower-compared-to-windows-10-claims-dell/
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CosmoNova@lemmy.world 4 months ago
KeenFlame@feddit.nu 4 months ago
Ah, it may be the decreased quality and increased openly aggressive data collection
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 4 months ago
No, it’s the non-users who are wrong!
unknownuserunknownlocation@kbin.earth 4 months ago
Even slower than Windows 10? That's impressive...
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 months ago
with all the AI and bloat hogging up your memory im not surprised if its just there to peddle ADVERTISEMENTS 100% OF THE TIME.
Crashumbc@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I mean if you tell 50% of your client base they have to buy a new PC…
Especially, in the current economic climate.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 4 months ago
They should make 64 GB RAM a minimum requirement. That alone is 500€ right there.
lemmy_get_my_coat@lemmy.world 4 months ago
It’s a mystery
Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Ooo I love a mystery
network_switch@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
Besides myself being on Linux, I used to mix Linux and Windows since like 2010 but fully transitioned like 3 years ago, I’m still regularly using a laptop from 2016 as a zoom calls and internet browsing laptop. It gets too hot to have in my lap and the battery lasts like 30 minutes. That’s a dual core integrated graphics chip from 2016. Anyone with a discrete graphics card easily has a solid workstation PC. If you’re not gaming or your not doing something that really benefits from strong hardware, you’re good. No need to upgrade. If you’re not playing new AAA games at 4k maxed, you may be good. This is just same news as how people are holding onto their cell phones longer than before
TommySoda@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I use windows 10 at home while I use windows 11 at work. The only thing I like about windows 11 is tabs in the file explorer. Besides that I’ve had to deal with Windows Explorer crashing on a daily basis, task bar freezing completely multiple times a week, certain software straight up not working that I need to get work done, programs crashing that work perfectly fine on 10, internet connectivity issues (usually DNS for some fucking reason), periodically hearing the disconnect sound for a device even when everything is still working, awful drop down menus, needing to change the registry just to get basic features that 10 has, and the list goes on and on. At home everything just works. I’ve been testing Linux and have been getting better stability than Windows 11 and I feel like every week there’s a new problem.
atrielienz@lemmy.world 4 months ago
neowin.net/…/microsoft-finally-admits-almost-all-…
On the positive side though, following all that backlash, Microsoft acknowledged Windows has issues, and as if on cue, the company in a new support article has admitted that there are problems on almost every major Windows 11 core feature. The issues are related to XAML and this impacts all the Shell components like the Start Menu, Taskbar, Explorer, and Windows Settings.
Explorer.exe crash shelhost.exe crash StartMenuExperienceHost issues System Settings silently fails to launch Application crashes when initializing the XAML views Explorer running but no taskbar window. other XAML island views fail to initialize. ImmersiveShell problems
londos@lemmy.world 4 months ago
GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
I have to use Windows 11 for work. Maybe this is because of CrowdStrike or something, I don’t know, but I often encounter a problem where the main section of explorer, where you can actually click files and stuff, just breaks. That entire region becomes unclickable and unusable, even though the rest of the Explorer window (like the icons on the top part) all still work. So I just have to close the window and then reopen Explorer, re-navigate back to where I was, and proceed from where I left off.
Never, in the decades I’ve been using computers, have I ever encountered something as stupid as this with this amount of regularity. Windows 11 is a uniquely bad OS compared to every competitor option, including prior versions of Windows.
ano_ba_to@sopuli.xyz 4 months ago
For almost 20 years, I’ve never lost hours of work due to the OS. The Crowdstrike incident was one of three times I was interrupted by the OS in the last 2,3 years. All of the interruptions are from Windows 11, not 10. This week for, for some reason, Windows is slower to respond than usual, when going to different tabs. I’m one formatting away from getting rid of the Windows 11 in my laptop. I was thinking of dual booting Mint there but it’s looking more and more I don’t need Windows. Bazzite has been fantastic.
TommySoda@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I run into that same issue from time to time. Another one I run into is when I click on items on the task bar it doesn’t bring it up as the active window even when everything else is working. I have to ALT+tab to bring up any Window or minimize every window just to find the one I want and it is absolutely infuriating.
AlphaOmega@lemmy.world 4 months ago
My 78 year old mother bought a new laptop, windows 11.
Immediately I had to remote in because of some S mode BS which just put you in the MS only application environment.
3 months later and somehow she fubarred her login and can’t use her new laptop. There’s probably an easy fix, but since she hates windows 11 and wants to go back to 10, I suggested Linux.
So it will be a Merry Christmas for my mom when I visit and install IDK? Some version that’s super simple. Anything is better than what she currently has
Grapho@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
I think KDE Neon would be nice for a new user. I like Pop OS and it’s really cute and sleek but the shortcuts are needlessly different from windows a bunch of times, if she’s somehow used to alt+tab to change windows and not just window groups she’s gonna have a hard time learning another way to do it.
FireWire400@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Can’t go wrong with good old Linux Mint
krousenick@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Try Zorin OS, its Ubuntu based they have a windows 11 theme.
squaresinger@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Do they still offer a Win10 theme? When I first tried it, they still had a Win7 theme.
sturmblast@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Gee, I can’t imagine why that could be.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Oh, I can think of a few reasons.
You know it’s bad when even I switch to linux. I don’t understand linux. I literally back up my entire hard drive everytime I attempt to do ANYTHING. Because I WILL screw up my whole system to the point it won’t boot. I’ve done it many times over the coarse of the past year.
Then I gotta spend a whole day waiting for things to restore from backup. And then whatever I WAD trying to do, still isn’t done.
That has been my experience using linux this past year.
But Windows 11? No.
Quazatron@lemmy.world 4 months ago
That’s how you level up in Linux. You break things, learn what you did wrong and do better next time. Linux won’t hold your hand, you can and will shoot yourself in the foot.
You are doing it right by having backups and playing it safe. You’ll be ok.
FireWire400@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Since switching to Linux I have nuked my system maybe 5 or 6 times?
When I initially installed it I set the EFI partition to ext4, that caused some trouble when I updated my kernel lol. Then just recently I accidentally wrote a floppy disc image to the wrong drive and wiped out my /home partition. Luckily
testdiskis a thing.Everything else I can just rely on my BTRFS snapshots. My drive setup is more than janky, but it works.
chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 4 months ago
“Why don’t you like our copilot features?” -Microshit-
Brkdncr@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Windows 11 brings change but no significant features. The general population hates change.
StitchInTime@piefed.social 4 months ago
Explorer tabs is a feature. One which should have been an update instead of an “upgrade”. That’s about it though.
echolalia@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
Idk what you mean “no significant features”. I definitely needed AI integration in notepad.exe.
Wispy2891@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Also I definitely needed a broken start menu that doesn’t show any result when doing a search
rigatti@lemmy.world 4 months ago
What do you mean? Now I get the feature of not being to click on the clock on my second monitor to open the calendar! I had been waiting for that feature for ages.
SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
I thought that thumbnail was sonic the hedgehog
roofuskit@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I want to qualify this comment with the fact that I am not a super gamer. Most my games are older. The newest and most demanding game I play is Cyberpunk 2077. Most my other games are multiple years older and less demanding.
I finally switched full time to a Linux desktop OS. I have used Linux more or less daily for decades, the first distro I ever installed was Slackware what feels forever ago. But until Valve put the work into running games on linux for their Steam deck I felt I was trapped needing to have Windows to play games. I have even spent the last decade forcing myself to rely more and more on cross platform available FOSS dreaming of some day making a permanent switch. Honestly it was so easy for me to switch at this point, most games pretty much just ran. My biggest problem took a bit to grok and it was just because some games do not like running in proton from an NTFS partition. I have NVME and SATA SSDs separate from my boot drive that I used to install games on and it was trivial to reformat the NVME drive to a more Linux friendly filesystem and I have not had an issue since. Eventually I’ll do the SATA drive but I’m lazy and those games are working fine so far. You will absolutely have problems with some games, especially some that have overbearing anti-cheat systems, but man this has been so easy I couldn’t really have imagined. The only non-gaming problem was a document scanner we own that is not supported by SANE. I could not find a solution to run it on Linux so I just spun up a Tiny 11 copy of Windows in a VM and passed it through. We only use it a couple times a year so this is an acceptable compromise to me. The VM doesn’t have Internet access, it just sees a local drive as a network share. All it can do is scan something and save it to the shared drive so I can access it in Linux.
I chose Linux Mint because I am well versed with Debian and Ubuntu. But I suggest anyone new to Linux give Bazzite a shot. It’s designed to be a lot harder for you to break. It’s also more optimized for gaming if that’s your focus. For me gaming is a requirement but I’ve never felt the need for top tier performance.
The path from 3.1 to 11 has been such a sour one and the last thing I am willing to put up with is being the product in the eyes of my desktop OS. My computer is mine and it will do why I want it to do or it will do nothing at all.
mierdabird@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
My biggest problem took a bit to grok
Now that you’re on Linux pop Docker on there and install Ollama/WebUI on there so you can run your own grok at home and not have to support yet another horrible company
TriangleSpecialist@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Fucking apatheid emerald mine inheritor ruining perfectly good words from the nerd culture…
Hawke@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Try again.
Davel23@fedia.io 4 months ago
You do realize he's using the original definition of grok, right?
HeyJoe@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I would imagine a big reason being that windows 11 doesnt work on a ton of older systems which meant nobody upgraded to it and instead lived out the life of the hardware until they actually needed to buy something new. The crazy part to me is older systems wasnt even that long ago. I remember when 11 came out and saw a bunch of systems only 2 years old that weren’t compatible. I said screw it and just forced it on them and honestly I have had no issues on about 3 different systems so whatever I guess.
PhAzE@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
[deleted]Wispy2891@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I don’t think it actually needs the tpm 2.0 or even 1.1 as it’s only used for automatic bitlocker decryption
HeyJoe@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I’ve used the regkey hack years ago, but recent ones seemed more difficult to bypass. I ended up using a USB stick as well and formatted it with Rufus which has all the options built in to bypass it all. It worked 100% of the time the 3 times I used it. Before doing that 2 systems just wouldnt complete and always ended up giving an error at some point. One of my older systems at work is a Dell Precision which came with a Xeon processor which is normally a server CPU and windows 11 doesnt support server at all so those CPUs aren’t compatible. Been running 11 on it 2 years now and is completely stable. The tower is almost 10 years old now, but I dont want to give it up because I know ill never get anything nearly as powerful as a replacement today haha.
throws_lemy@reddthat.com 4 months ago
That makes sense. Upgrading your PC/laptop when RAM and SSD prices are skyrocketing is ridiculous.
Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 4 months ago
pretty much how I saw it. 10 was a push towards accepting all hardware configurations. 11 put restrictions in the name of security. so even if a user WANTED to upgrade, there’s technically a barrier that Microsoft would block them (albeit that check can be bypassed).
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
At some point, I need to get around to installing Mint on my desktop. Maybe this weekend, but probably not.
Supervisor194@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Hey I just did it! I completed my migration today. The only reason I keep a desktop around at all is for gaming and I’ve been locked into Windows for years because of it, but no more. Steam is a given, but I’m running games off Epic and Gog through Heroic and standalone games using Lutris (ESO and Elite Dangerous so far). Not a single problem with any of them.
Mint is great, the only complaints I have are minor and I can easily deal with them. Like when you launch things, you don’t always get a cursor animation to tell you you successfully set something in motion and you just have to wait for the window to pop up. That kind of thing.
the_q@lemmy.zip 4 months ago
Do it this weekend.
psx_crab@lemmy.zip 4 months ago
It’s pretty straight forward if you don’t do anything else, get a fresh new drive just for it. I’ve been using Mint for a few weeks now and honestly other than some glitch i keep experience here and there(steam store page is noticeably slower and laggier for some reason, and sound glitch that require restart to get rid of) and some initial setup fiddling to suit me, i really doesn’t notice any different than what i’ve been doing in win10.
_cryptagion@anarchist.nexus 4 months ago
turn on hardware acceleration for Steam
TemplaerDude@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Yeah, my pc has been sitting around for over two months. I think I’m gonna go with Cachy on my machine, just need to find some time 😫
throws_lemy@reddthat.com 4 months ago
The main problem for most people when installing Linux is partitioning. Normies usually only use Windows that has been pre-installed, and never install Windows from scratch.
I think you should try Linux on a VM first to get used to it.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
I’ve got a Windows 11 laptop as well, so it’s not a big issue if I brick the machine.
I’m just gonna jump in head first. When I get around to it.
QuestionMark@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
The automatic options on Mint make everything extremely easy. Do you want to keep Windows, or get rid of it? How much space do you want to give to Mint and Windows? Okay, done.
Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Zorin and Cachy are great choices too, but Mint is awesome as well. Anything but Windows 11 lol
Dettweiler42@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
It was extremely easy when I did it. Had everything running in 20 min. The real drag was me wanting to use a more efficient file system, so I spent a day converting my drives to ext4.
Prove_your_argument@piefed.social 4 months ago
The executive also noted that 500 million PCs don’t meet Windows 11’s system requirements while the others don’t need a hardware upgrade to run the OS. Although this would indicate that 500 million PCs would potentially be replaced with newer alternatives capable of running Windows 11 at some point, Clarke hinted at “roughly flat” sales for Dell PCs would moving forward . Clarke didn’t explain the reasoning behind this statement , but it could mean that people are just not that interested in upgrading to Windows 11 PCs.
It’s a simple reason. Everybody is abandoning dell in droves for lenovo in enterprise environments.
I used to buy dell exclusively for laptops across over a decade at multiple organizations where I determined hardware standards and purchasing. Everyone always wanted a x1 carbon or thinkpad but the prices were too high. This is no longer the case. Now everyone gets a thinkpad or x1 carbon where I work at least, and statistics for market share are heavily on the lenovo side now.
That’s how I see it anyway. This has nothing to do with windows 11, it’s just another service pack when you’re managing everything via GPO/intune/sccm/whatever.
toddestan@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Has Lenovo stepped their game up recently? Work used to be all Lenovo, and a few years back they switched over to Dell because the Lenovos just weren’t reliable. Which is a shame because I still think the Lenovos are better designed with better keyboards, screens, port layout, etc. but it’s all moot if the thing craps out after a couple of years.
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 4 months ago
A LOT of people complained when Thinkpad transferred from IBM to Lenovo. Like almost all things, it was progress conflated with racism.
The big “meaningful” complaint is that Lenovo used more plastics than aluminum. On the one hand, I get it: my T41 was a god damned beast that felt like it could stop a bullet (an important consideration in the US). It also apparently weighted 2.22 kg and I 100% noticed that on trips and even walking around town/campus.
And Lenovo bought the brand around the time that a LOT of people were noticing the weight of their laptops and there was a huge push for “ultrabook” form factors and the realization that it makes more sense to protect your device with a sleeve and a padded compartment rather than “military grade” construction. And… Asian factories were (and still are) much more agile and able to pivot. Whereas US factories still tend to take years (or decades…) to catch up to the rest of the world.
So we got the same xenophobic nonsense we’ve had in every other industry. These thin and light laptops with plastic shells ARE CHEAP PIECES OF SHIT THAT NOBODY CAN EVER REPAIR AND ARE ALL A SCAM SO BUY AMERICAN!!! Even though the shell has almost nothing to do with it and those still had screw based constructions. The real problem was the rapid shift towards soldering/gluing hardware in place. Some of that was to support ultrabook designs and some are just pure bullshit to prevent upgrades.
These days? Aluminum is king again because it “feels premium” but those shells are so ridiculously thin that they are arguably worse than polymer (still feels great though). I blame Apple.
But build quality wise? Lenovo straight up bought IBM’s laptop (and consumer PC?) divisions. It was the exact same factories and designers and capabilities.
All that said: Lenovo is also a REALLY Chinese company. For a personal device? I have zero qualms and literally bought a new laptop for the first time in like 9 years and it is a Thinkpad. From a professional standpoint? A competent IT department can vet devices. I… think I worked with a competent IT department once in my life. But, more importantly, if we are trying to do business with a government org or a high value company/target? They are fundamentally concerned about Supply Chain Hardening (and for good reason) and that just reeks of “We, personally, don’t care about that”. Which generally won’t outright kill a deal but it does put you on a back footing.
acosmichippo@lemmy.world 4 months ago
for some reason my work is the opposite. they were all lenovo (which were great), but we were forced to switch to shitty dells.
shalafi@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Funny enough, job before last I was buying all Dell. Next job, all X1 Carbons and the occasional Mac for the devs.
Prove_your_argument@piefed.social 4 months ago
In some weird way it does feel like things flipped overnight. Maybe it was the pandemic? Definitely went from ~2019 all dell to ~2023 ultramajority lenovo. None of this is scientific though lol
RamRabbit@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Have you seen any traction with Framework in the corporate space? They are mostly marketed at individuals, but since you specifically mention people wanting higher quality machines, Framework fits the bill.
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 4 months ago
Framework Corp is massively frustrating because their secret sauce tech makes absolutely no sense for individuals (seriously, run the actual numbers. It is almost always cheaper to just buy two laptops AND you have less ewaste because there is no box of spare parts) but is PERFECT for enterprise/fleet deployments.
But Framework Corp has no interest in fulfilling that role. To my knowledge, there are no bulk ordering programs and their software/OEM support is fairly mediocre.
As far as enterprise laptops go? There is a full industry around macs for obvious reasons. On the PC side? The only vendors I really “trust” are Dell and Lenovo with MAYBE HP if the middleman org is confident. And… I LOVE a Thinkpad for my personal use (the nub is love. the nub is life) but there are very serious supply chain concerns for professional purposes.
Prove_your_argument@piefed.social 4 months ago
I’ve never, ever met someone outside of a tech role that even knows they exist.
If someone isn’t happy with a lenovo, it’s because they want that coveted apple logo on the lid.
The primary concerns in the enterprise environment are around standardization. I only want a couple of models to manage per year so that the support guys don’t have to worry too much about some willy wonka bullshit that doesn’t work because that one system is an oddball. The nice thing too about lenovo (or dell) has traditionally been support services. If you know the words to say you can get them to ship out anything with a tech to replace anything after a single call and not running all the silly diagnostics. I know dell has been on the decline for support services and I honestly don’t handle any of the warranty repairs myself, but my impression is that it still works.
shalafi@lemmy.world 4 months ago
No way. People like me purchase a steady supply of standardized machines at a fair cost. Bigger companies than I’ve worked for want a lease agreement. We pay $X for Y units, you come in and swap them in 3, 4, or 5 years, rinse and repeat. We also need robust tech support, both from the manufacturer and wide user base. No way I’d suggest management purchase Frameworks.
Framework is awesome for individuals as you can upgrade! No one in their right mind wants to hassle with upgrading a fleet of hundreds, thousands, or 10’s of thousands of machine. You talking about pets when business requires cattle.
www.hava.io/blog/cattle-vs-pets-devops-explained
Great question! And BTW, thousands upon thousands of those “old” cattle are available on eBay from sellers who make a living moving off-lease machines. I’d never buy new. LOL, I bought servers that way from savemyserver! Boss came by while I was setting up a new server. “Is that new?!” “Nope.”
RamRabbit@lemmy.world 4 months ago
It was possible to skip Vista and go straight from XP to 7.
It was possible to skip 8 and go straight from 7 to 10.
This time around, Microsoft is forcing Windows 11 as the only option and it is backfiring on them. People are rejecting it and the competition (Linux) has never been as good.
imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
Obviously. There is no particular reason to switch from old 7th or older gen intel CPUs since with 16GB (or even with 8) of RAM one can browse internet and use OFFICE 365 with no issues. And what most of people do with their computers at work?
Unless PC is used to render 3D/Video/DAW Audio/heavy VMs - there is no fucking need to buy new PC just to upgrade to win11. MS shot themselves in a foot with this one.