Submitted 2 weeks ago by 1984@lemmy.today to technology@lemmy.world
A few days ago, Davuluri shared his excitement about it on his official X handle. He seemed very eager to reveal what the company has in mind at the upcoming Ignite event regarding the agentic OS plans.
Unfortunately for Microsoft and Davuluri, the response has been overwhelmingly negative, so much so that the comments on that X post have now been disabled.
Made me laugh. :)
i have a simple question… who the fuck asked for this?
Shareholders
Funny thing is that is not likely. The shareholders of microsoft (and most blue chip companies) have not really asked for anything other then endless profits lately. This endless drive into shit seems to be almost entirely driven by weird sales pitches and executives chasing a sunk cost.
Billionaires, looking for more mass control.
It is not for our benefit.
I hate how tech companies just constantly want to change everything.
Just give me something usable that I can get shit done with and fuck off. I don’t want your changes and updates and new feature.
That’s one thing I love about FOSS, that the only stakeholders are the devs and the users. The goal is to make software that’s good at what it does.
When it comes to any tech company’s product, you not only have all the stakeholders that corrupt the end product, but you have giant teams of marketers, designers, engineers, and managers that need to constantly justify their existence and or be efficiently utilized at all times.
Honestly it’s like lesser version of enshittification, the tendency of commercial products to always be changing things.
While this is true, designers are constatnly beholden to management (much like programmers are), so while designers would love to create a nice looking usable application, they end up having to go with the mockups that management requested which are of course a worse experience for the end-user.
It’s really sad.
They have to because the capitalist imperative of infinite, progressive growth forces them to constantly seek out additional speculative avenues for profit. The potential for a valuable product (stock) is more valuable than a good product and is cheaper to produce than a good product. Also, important to note that you are also a product in a surveillance capitalist state thaf commodifies every second of your day. The speculative value on more profitable avenues to source and sell your data has more speculative value than any value your patronage would generate.
It’s about keeping us guessing and reminding us who’s in charge.
They don’t want us to get attached to things.
Excel 97 was perfect. Now I can barely find the shit I actually need to use because of all the “features” they’ve added to justify their jobs.
Yeah, at least fix the bugs first.
Windows has had a bug that’s driven me mad since before Windows 10 and it doesn’t seem they have any intentention to fix it.
When I try to rename files, I always click somewhere in the text of the name or highlight a specific portion, and then 90% of the time RIGHT before I start typing to add or change the name, it randomly highlights the entire thing so the whole text gets replaced instead of the one section I wanted to change.
INFURIATING and it’s been years that it’s happened, between two different versions of Windows!
There’s also another 2 or 3 other bugs that are just as infuriating but I don’t imagine will ever be fixed or changed because why the fuck would windows care.
this phrasing had to be intentional xD no social media worker can be this clueless
I think the same about the sandwich company that asked people to share how they “top their subs”.
Damn I really missed my opportunity
Remember, they said Windows 10 was the last version you’d need. The last version.
In a country full of people that get a chub at the thought of litigation why hasn’t this angle been pursued?
Windows 10 is definitely the last version of Windows I’ll run on my own machines.
I think it will be the last one I run as well. I’ve always gotten grumpy with updating my OS since XP. I skipped Vista and 8 entirely. So I went XP > 7 > 10. I tried out Cachy OS and it works great. Did I have to go in the terminal at times? Absolutely but I have to go into the command line in windows sometimes too. Only thing keeping me in Windows at the moment is some windows only software and hardware drivers.
Because in the USA, private individuals don’t have meaningful access to the legal system. Realistically, the best you could possibly hope for in a case like this would be a settlement in a class action where every Windows 10 user who’s willing to jump through a bunch of hoops ends up with a seven dollar check in half a decade.
That was never actually an official statement. It was an offhand comment by some staffer that didn’t carry any legal weight nor accurately describe the internal trajectory for Windows in any way. As much as we like to poke fun at it regardless.
It was the last version I needed. Six months gaming on Linux and I haven’t looked back.
That was always a dumb statement. Microsoft had two places to go from there. Either iterate and keep the name like Mac OS X was doing (10, 10.1, 10.2 and so on) or go to 11… like macOS also did (after a while).
They were never gonna release a version of Windows called Windows 10 and never update it or improve upon it (as they see it).
They had iterations already, like 22h2 or whatever.
Because puffery. It’s a interesting deep dive, look it up.
What I see time and time again are people saying “I HAVE TO use Windows at work, but I don’t use it at home”.
So, logically that means Windows is losing market share to Mac and Linux, right?
Well, no. What I see over the past 20 years is that people just stopped buying PCs for personal use.
At this point, it really feels like if you’re over 55, you’re in the minority if you own a PC. If you’re younger than 30, you’re in the minority if you own a PC.
And for 30-55 year olds, it’s simple. You grew up with PCs, so you’re used to them. Everyone else just sees it as “that thing we use at work”
So, no. People dropping microsoft from their own personal lives doesn’t mean they switch to linux. It just means they use their cell phone or tablet to browse the web. Because for most people, thats all a pc is anyways. Just a machine to browse the web on.
PC gamers under 30 would be considered a significant minority compared to other <30yos?
Compared to console and mobile gamers, yes
Definitely not to mac…I use mac and windows at work and Mac is by far the worst OS. It’s so damn locked down it’s obnoxious.
Yeah, I have like a dozen colleagues between 25-60 and I can think of maybe 2 that have a PC outside of their work laptops. And those are both gamers.
Well even with your observation, it could well be losing share to Mac and Linux. The Windows users are more likely to jump ship, and Mac and Linux users tend to stick with the platform more, mainly because it’s not actively working to piss them off. Even if zero jump to Mac or Linux, the share could still shift.
The upside of ‘just a machine to run a browser’ is that it’s easier than ever to live with Linux desktop, since that nagging application or two that keeps you on Windows has likely moved to browser hosted anyway. Downside of course being that it’s much more likely that app extracts a monthly fee from you instead of ‘just buying it’.
Currently for work I’m all Linux, precisely because work was forced to buy Office365 anyway, and the web versions work almost as well as the desktop versions for my purposes (I did have to boot Windows because I had to work on a Presentation and the weird ass “master slide” needed to be edited, and for whatever reason that is not allowed on the web). VSCode natively supports linux (well ‘native’, it’s a browser app disguised as a desktop app), but I would generally prefer Kate anyway (except work is now tracking our Github Copilot usage, and so I have to let Copilot throw suggestions at me to discard in VSCode or else get punished for failing to meet stupid objectives).
Sorry for being an idiot, but what is an agentic OS?
Whatever it is, it sounds fucking stupid.
The OS doesnt need to be a focus. the OS is best when you completely forget its existence and can just do things without worry.
Which is why Windows 7 is the best operating system microsoft has, and seemingly will, ever produce.
Sorry for being an idiot, but what is an agentic OS?
Agentic OS is a buzzword that’s meant to imply that the OS is (or has) an AI agent doing useful things for you in the background without you explicitly asking it to do those things (ie an agent working for you). For an agent to be useful, (they say) it has to know and learn everything it can about you, your life, your friends, activities, contacts, work, and so on.
The tradeoff is pretty extreme though. Everything you do on the PC is watched, analyzed, catalogued, and retained by MIcrosoft (and possibly whoever they choose to share the info with, which is likely every government that asks). The features that do this are generically called client-side scanning and Microsoft has a few specific variants you can read about called Copilot Recall, and Copilot Vision.
physical revulsion
big tech doesn’t have a monopoly on linear algebra or calculus.
you can run your own telemetry, analytics, and modeling pipelines with existing toolings and most modern PCs are plenty capable of doing a wide variety of useful things with said data.
these tools are very powerful. algorithmic feeds regularly hijack your dopamine response whether you’re aware of it or not. these organizations colonize your mind and your consent or acknowledgment is not a necessary factor. why should MS, Google, and Meta be the sole masters of these feedback loops?
the old privacy is dead. going into the future people should be pragmatic and actually do something about the current state of our society instead of being whiny do-nothing pissbabies complaining endlessly about things they barely comprehend. the answer to breaking our chains is understanding the very tools that oppress us all.
being as tech-illiterate as most people are is why we’re in the precarious position we’re in… one where these big tech empires have risen to institutional scales, rivaling nation-states themselves.
do you people not see what is at stake here?
you’re a boiling frog, all of you, all of us.
one day you will wake up a citizen of meta and purchase your rations with facebook scrip, and you won’t even know it’s happened.
the decisions we all collectively take now over the next 5-10 years determine whether free society survives or if we descend into a new dark age of neo-serfdom and techno-feudalism.
may god have mercy on us all.
Look at the positive side, you can cook sausages on your overheating laptop
Basically, system wide Clippy that is somehow even more annoying.
And in the non-Windows world - this could all be implemented on Linux in such a way that you, the end user choose if you want it at all, which models you want (including both local and online ones), and what gets what access. Plus all kinds of customizability. I’m sure someone is already working on this too.
As far as I can see MS is planning the agent not to stay in the background as you described but to be an active means to control the operating system and software functions, so that many tasks can be instructed in natural language.
They should call this version of the OS “Doors” then, as it just shows you what doors it wants, and closes it’s door in your face if you don’t stump up your precious data.
Windows 10 had a better kernel than 7. Unfortunately, that kernel was packaged with the rest of windows 10.
“Agentic” is the buzzword to distinguish “LLM will tell you how to do it” versus “LLM will just execute the commands it thinks are right”.
Particularly if a process is GUI driven, Agentic is seen as a more theoretically useful approach since a LLM ‘how-to’ would still be tedious to walk through yourself.
Given how LLM usually mis-predicts and doesn’t do what I want, I’m no where near the point where I’d trust “Agentic” approaches. Hypothetically if it could be constrained to a domain where it can’t do anything that can’t trivially be undone, maybe, but given for example a recent VS Code issue where it turned out the “jail” placed around Agentic operations turned out to be ineffective, I’m not thinking too much of such claimed mitigations.
Wild guess:
Log everything the user is doing. Have clippy interface prompt the user to take some work off their hands. Do some web searches, start storing a dossier about the ‘project’. Give the user a rough outline to complete their project based on a trained llm and some web searches. Ask the user if the outline looks good. Ask the user if they’d like some help completing some of the steps. Burning through tokens the whole time, storing telemetry with 100% knowledge of what they user does/wants to do. Selling that exact data to project management software companies and companies that write middleware to do this work. Bind everything together into a virtual notebook where users can return to any content at any step.
Backlash is actually losing business, what they are really getting is a lot of whining from people who never do anything anyway.
It was the same with Windows 95, XP, then Vista, then 8 and 10 and now 11.
Very few who are used to Windows will abandon it just because it’s becoming a surveillance hellscape of forced updates, advertising and other annoyances.
Microsoft is posting record profits on their way down, just like Intel did 10 years ago.
That said Microsoft is still in a better position, and while Windows may lose relevancy, Microsoft has way more revenue coming from other sources than Intel had without X86.
Microsoft’s Windows chief Pavan Davuluri had earlier hinted at such plans already about how the next evolution of OS will make it capable enough to “semantically understand you” as Windows will get “more ambient, more pervasive, more multi-modal”. Using features like Copilot Vision it will be able to “look at your screen” and do more.
Since when did corpos try to reframe the word “pervasive” as something positive?
Unfortunately, most Windows users have a long history of complaining about it and then still continuing to use it.
There’s no way around it: if you keep using abusive software, you’ll stay in an abusive relationship.
In a few years Microsoft will just release Windows 12, with most of these AI features removed. Maybe they’ll do some user friendly tweaks too, but just a few. And most of Windows refugees will come back, praising Microsoft for listening to the community. Meanwhile there’ll be even more spyware and even less user control over the OS, but the vast majority will never notice that. That’s all it takes.
The best part here is that, when the AI bubble pops, AI will become a dirty word for a while before settling in some, much smaller, feature.
MS is going all gas no brakes on AI and when that bubble pops, their entire ecosystem will be toxic and laughable
I have some aging hardware (approaching 10 year old desktop PC) and I switched to Linux. I have to still use Windows at work but none of my personal computers are Windows anymore.
Microsoft can go kick rocks.
I can’t wait for that whole AI bubble to blow up. Shame it’s most likely not gonna kill Microsoft…
I wonder when the big software players running their stuff on Win are going to complain. For me, I’m tied to Autodesk. If they would make their mind up and start a Linux version or support Proton (I don’t see, why the advancement in the gaming world couldn’t in principle be applied to productivity software) I would be away from MS at work instantly.
Yup. Got two days off, and I’m going Linux. If i can actually replace windows for what I need, then it looks like i just freed up some space on my nvme.
This is why I’m glad PCs aren’t locked down like phones and there’s nothing stopping you from running an alt OS on the desktop yet.
Replaced the last Windows computer in the house with CachyOS this morning. Fuck off Microsoft.
Microsoft […] gets massive backlash
Pretty much since the release of Windows 10, Microsoft has been getting backlash because of the invasive, hostile and insane decisions they make and force on their users. It’s gotten particularly vocal since W11 and the EOL of Windows 10.
Yet, everybody seems to eat the plate of shit MS serves them. They complain, but most people dont seem to want to put in effort to rid themselves of Microsoft.
I could cry.
Further comments may have been disabled, but a number of them are still up and are highly entertaining:
I wonder if no one is left at Microsoft that knows enough about the core systems to actually improve those… So the best they can do is throw more shit on top
Can the AI Shit be disabled?
If only my computer was constantly hooked up to cloud AI watching everything I do! -No one ever.
See, now that they’ve strongarmed everyone into using their new shitty OS and no longer using the old kind of okay one, they can change it however they want and all their users are stuck with it!
(Excuse me while i cackle madly in linux)
Shit like this is why whenever companies say they’re “customer focused” I say they’re full of shit.
No one wants this but M$ has so much investment tied into this that they need to make people want this.
Former windows user here, ever since I used Win11 for the first time in 2022 I saw how buggy and useless it was. And it was clear to me that someday win10 will stop receiving updates.
I decided to get onto Linux and I am proud of myself that I tasted nearly all the distributions and tried them all.
Pure arch, Manjaro, EndeavourOS, CachyOS, Debian, Linux mint, Tuxedo OS, MX Linux, Zoroin OS, Nix OS, Alpine Linux, OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Kali Linux, Fedora KDE, Fedora Workstation, Fedora KDE Silverblue, etc.
Linux mint, Tuxedo OS, MX Linux, ZoroinOS are the best for new comers from Windows and all are based on Debian.
Writing as a new CachyOS user, this is like finishing a move from Florida to New York, and then learning there’s another two hurricanes headed for your old hometown.
Here’s the thing - the same thing that Microsoft is being roasted for saying they’re going to implement is the thing that Apple are being roasted for not having implemented yet. The difference is -rightly or wrongly- people trust Apple in a way that they simply don’t Microsoft.
Good, I hope it keep self destruct for the foreseeable future, you’re doing good Microsoft keep doing what you’re doing.
daikiki@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They’ve really painted themselves into a corner with their AI investments. It’s starting to look like the total addressable market is a small fraction of what they’d need to break even on their atrociously ill-advised investments into the sector, and now they’re becoming increasingly desperate to shoehorn a technology that nobody wants into everything they can.
Literally everybody who has an inkling of an idea of what’s going on in the AI space knows how this ends, but somehow the board and c-staff at MSFT are not counted amongst the inkling havers. In a few years they’re going to have to write off countless billions that they’ve wasted on this idiocy and nobody will be surprised but them.
nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Apparently when Satya Nadella took over, Steve Ballmer told him “don’t screw up”. In terms of stock price and profits, he absolutely hasn’t. In terms of producing products that consumers might actually want to pay for, he has failed completely and Microsoft has never been in a worse position. But those two things are completely disconnected now so it’s fine.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Ya know, I’m not a linux “supporter” in the traditional sense. I usually find it annoying when people hijack these threads to say they use linux.
But man…even though I don’t have a clue what I’m doing in linux, I’d rather be on linux than windows 11.
Madrigal@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The way I see it, they think GenAI is the new portal to information, the way search has been for the last 25-30 years. They want to control that portal, because it’s worth trillions over time.
This is why they’re cramming it into everything and worrying about use cases later. It’s a land grab.
Antaeus@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That kinda makes sense. Thank you for sharing your optics.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
It has honestly been glorious watching Microsoft do this, they deserve this dead end and much worse honestly.
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
The modern world is really demonstrating how success has nothing to do with skill or competence.
Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
What do you mean people don’t want machine learning chatbots spewing out bullshit in every facet of their lives and technology use?
Treczoks@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Parrots with a stolen dictionary.
paraphrand@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
But they made Google dance, right? Maybe that’s all Satya Nadella needed out of it.
1984@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Cant write off something that isnt even in the books…
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cdJQ8UyVLA
brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
You are wrong daikiki. AI is a tech that is going to change everything, it’s the “computers” of this era, they are investing in a technology that will boom. Even if you don’t think it will they will push it, see what google is doing, they rigged up the search results and now you necessarily have to use AI to get good answers, it’s also there by default so you can’t really avoid it.