Submitted 10 hours ago by 1984@lemmy.today to technology@lemmy.world
A few days ago, Davuluri shared his excitement about it on his official X handle. He seemed very eager to reveal what the company has in mind at the upcoming Ignite event regarding the agentic OS plans.
Unfortunately for Microsoft and Davuluri, the response has been overwhelmingly negative, so much so that the comments on that X post have now been disabled.
Made me laugh. :)
Sorry for being an idiot, but what is an agentic OS?
Whatever it is, it sounds fucking stupid.
The OS doesnt need to be a focus. the OS is best when you completely forget its existence and can just do things without worry.
Which is why Windows 7 is the best operating system microsoft has, and seemingly will, ever produce.
Agent work can be pretty magical. I’ve been using cursor recently and the fact that it can just execute commands on your PC means you can just tell it to do something and it does. Troubleshooting as it goes
Sorry for being an idiot, but what is an agentic OS?
Agentic OS is a buzzword that’s meant to imply that the OS is (or has) an AI agent doing useful things for you in the background without you explicitly asking it to do those things (ie an agent working for you). For an agent to be useful, (they say) it has to know and learn everything it can about you, your life, your friends, activities, contacts, work, and so on.
The tradeoff is pretty extreme though. Everything you do on the PC is watched, analyzed, catalogued, and retained by MIcrosoft (and possibly whoever they choose to share the info with, which is likely every government that asks). The features that do this are generically called client-side scanning and Microsoft has a few specific variants you can read about called Copilot Recall, and Copilot Vision.
physical revulsion
big tech doesn’t have a monopoly on linear algebra or calculus.
you can run your own telemetry, analytics, and modeling pipelines with existing toolings and most modern PCs are plenty capable of doing a wide variety of useful things with said data.
these tools are very powerful. algorithmic feeds regularly hijack your dopamine response whether you’re aware of it or not. these organizations colonize your mind and your consent or acknowledgment is not a necessary factor. why should MS, Google, and Meta be the sole masters of these feedback loops?
the old privacy is dead. going into the future people should be pragmatic and actually do something about the current state of our society instead of being whiny do-nothing pissbabies complaining endlessly about things they barely comprehend. the answer to breaking our chains is understanding the very tools that oppress us all.
being as tech-illiterate as most people are is why we’re in the precarious position we’re in… one where these big tech empires have risen to institutional scales, rivaling nation-states themselves.
do you people not see what is at stake here?
you’re a boiling frog, all of you, all of us.
one day you will wake up a citizen of meta and purchase your rations with facebook scrip, and you won’t even know it’s happened.
the decisions we all collectively take now over the next 5-10 years determine whether free society survives or if we descend into a new dark age of neo-serfdom and techno-feudalism.
may god have mercy on us all.
Windows 10 had a better kernel than 7. Unfortunately, that kernel was packaged with the rest of windows 10.
They’ve really painted themselves into a corner with their AI investments. It’s starting to look like the total addressable market is a small fraction of what they’d need to break even on their atrociously ill-advised investments into the sector, and now they’re becoming increasingly desperate to shoehorn a technology that nobody wants into everything they can.
Literally everybody who has an inkling of an idea of what’s going on in the AI space knows how this ends, but somehow the board and c-staff at MSFT are not counted amongst the inkling havers. In a few years they’re going to have to write off countless billions that they’ve wasted on this idiocy and nobody will be surprised but them.
Apparently when Satya Nadella took over, Steve Ballmer told him “don’t screw up”. In terms of stock price and profits, he absolutely hasn’t. In terms of producing products that consumers might actually want to pay for, he has failed completely and Microsoft has never been in a worse position. But those two things are completely disconnected now so it’s fine.
Why have windows calculator when you can have windows calculator guess what you want to calculate, get it wrong, spy on you, and use that spying to serve you targetted ads all at the same time? #innovation
Ya know, I’m not a linux “supporter” in the traditional sense. I usually find it annoying when people hijack these threads to say they use linux.
But man…even though I don’t have a clue what I’m doing in linux, I’d rather be on linux than windows 11.
The way I see it, they think GenAI is the new portal to information, the way search has been for the last 25-30 years. They want to control that portal, because it’s worth trillions over time.
This is why they’re cramming it into everything and worrying about use cases later. It’s a land grab.
That kinda makes sense. Thank you for sharing your optics.
It has honestly been glorious watching Microsoft do this, they deserve this dead end and much worse honestly.
What do you mean people don’t want machine learning chatbots spewing out bullshit in every facet of their lives and technology use?
Parrots with a stolen dictionary.
But they made Google dance, right? Maybe that’s all Satya Nadella needed out of it.
Cant write off something that isnt even in the books…
What I see time and time again are people saying “I HAVE TO use Windows at work, but I don’t use it at home”.
So, logically that means Windows is losing market share to Mac and Linux, right?
Well, no. What I see over the past 20 years is that people just stopped buying PCs for personal use.
At this point, it really feels like if you’re over 55, you’re in the minority if you own a PC. If you’re younger than 30, you’re in the minority if you own a PC.
And for 30-55 year olds, it’s simple. You grew up with PCs, so you’re used to them. Everyone else just sees it as “that thing we use at work”
So, no. People dropping microsoft from their own personal lives doesn’t mean they switch to linux. It just means they use their cell phone or tablet to browse the web. Because for most people, thats all a pc is anyways. Just a machine to browse the web on.
PC gamers under 30 would be considered a significant minority compared to other <30yos?
Definitely not to mac…I use mac and windows at work and Mac is by far the worst OS. It’s so damn locked down it’s obnoxious.
i have a simple question… who the fuck asked for this?
Shareholders
Funny thing is that is not likely. The shareholders of microsoft (and most blue chip companies) have not really asked for anything other then endless profits lately. This endless drive into shit seems to be almost entirely driven by weird sales pitches and executives chasing a sunk cost.
Further comments may have been disabled, but a number of them are still up and are highly entertaining:
“Linux and Mac are toxic this year”
Wat. Toxic how? Why this year?
Backlash is actually losing business, what they are really getting is a lot of whining from people who never do anything anyway.
It was the same with Windows 95, XP, then Vista, then 8 and 10 and now 11.
Very few who are used to Windows will abandon it just because it’s becoming a surveillance hellscape of forced updates, advertising and other annoyances.
Microsoft is posting record profits on their way down, just like Intel did 10 years ago.
That said Microsoft is still in a better position, and while Windows may lose relevancy, Microsoft has way more revenue coming from other sources than Intel had without X86.
Ill be honest. I never expected to leave windows but here i am doing my homework on Linux.
You say that, yet Mac and Linux grew quite a bit over the past couple years. It’s true, not everyone will drop Windows right after whatever bullshit they announce. But software and platforms are rarely abandonned over night.
Doesn’t matter much what users do. Corporations are nowhere close to ditching Windows.
I didn’t think I’d care enough to leave Windows but I’ve been on Linux for six? months now.
As long as windows is installed by default on hardware, it’s hard to move the needle. A huge majority don’t want the headache of switching.
But, that pie is slowly being chipped away as options are available.
Windows will be the default until suddenly it isn’t. Valve is doing amazing at destroying the core of Microsoft’s support. This story would be different if this was a decade ago, but these days most average people do their computing on phones and tablets. The ones sticking to traditional PCs are mostly gamers and now more than ever Linux is a viable alternative to Windows. Vanishingly few games can’t be played perfectly fine on Linux. Once enough gamers are using Linux it will become the default choice, and once it’s the default choice for gamers it will become the default choice for most people, at least the ones not on phones and tablets.
It actually wouldn’t surprise me to learn that most Windows installs nowadays aren’t pre-installs but rather images deployed from a corporate IT department.
In some ways the biggest danger for Windows in the home market isn’t Linux or Mac but the people who decide they’ll just use their phone or tablet for everything. Then again, I’m not sure if Microsoft even cares about the home market.
Remember, they said Windows 10 was the last version you’d need. The last version.
In a country full of people that get a chub at the thought of litigation why hasn’t this angle been pursued?
Windows 10 is definitely the last version of Windows I’ll run on my own machines.
I think it will be the last one I run as well. I’ve always gotten grumpy with updating my OS since XP. I skipped Vista and 8 entirely. So I went XP > 7 > 10. I tried out Cachy OS and it works great. Did I have to go in the terminal at times? Absolutely but I have to go into the command line in windows sometimes too. Only thing keeping me in Windows at the moment is some windows only software and hardware drivers.
Because in the USA, private individuals don’t have meaningful access to the legal system. Realistically, the best you could possibly hope for in a case like this would be a settlement in a class action where every Windows 10 user who’s willing to jump through a bunch of hoops ends up with a seven dollar check in half a decade.
It was the last version I needed. Six months gaming on Linux and I haven’t looked back.
That was never actually an official statement. It was an offhand comment by some staffer that didn’t carry any legal weight nor accurately describe the internal trajectory for Windows in any way. As much as we like to poke fun at it regardless.
That was always a dumb statement. Microsoft had two places to go from there. Either iterate and keep the name like Mac OS X was doing (10, 10.1, 10.2 and so on) or go to 11… like macOS also did (after a while).
They were never gonna release a version of Windows called Windows 10 and never update it or improve upon it (as they see it).
They had iterations already, like 22h2 or whatever.
I have some aging hardware (approaching 10 year old desktop PC) and I switched to Linux. I have to still use Windows at work but none of my personal computers are Windows anymore.
Microsoft can go kick rocks.
Same here!
Same here!
Shit like this is why whenever companies say they’re “customer focused” I say they’re full of shit.
No one wants this but M$ has so much investment tied into this that they need to make people want this.
Oh, they’re customer focused, alright: focused on scraping customer data via the installed OS to feed to their AI and then aggregate for sale to other data brokers and/or interested governments.
Replaced the last Windows computer in the house with CachyOS this morning. Fuck off Microsoft.
last windows install in my house was on my rarely used laptop, windows 10.
As soon as Win10 was end of life I threw linux on it. First time in…god…30 years? Theres not been a windows PC in my house… Ran Windows from 3.11 all the way up to 7 happily (and then my laptop came with Win 10 from factory and, well, thankfully I only had to use it when traveling… )
Yup. Got two days off, and I’m going Linux. If i can actually replace windows for what I need, then it looks like i just freed up some space on my nvme.
I’m jealous. There are a handful of windows-only pieces of software that I need, unfortunately.
Winboat could be stopgap measure until you no longer need that software
This is why I’m glad PCs aren’t locked down like phones and there’s nothing stopping you from running an alt OS on the desktop yet.
Please don’t say that too loud. Some exec at Microsoft will hear “the problem is that PCs aren’t locked down like phones and there’s nothing stopping you from running an alt OS on the desktop yet,” and they’ll lobby the US Government, and before you know it desktop Linux will be a crime just like fixing your own tractor is a crime.
GabeCube runs Linux. There are multiple manufacturers making Linux PCs.
So, what do yall think abour ZorinOs?
I’m sick and tired about hearing about Zorinn when there’s a dozen excellent Linux distros that aren’t derivative trash that astroturf social media.
Love it. Just wrote a separate comment about it. I ran the free versions for over a year, then decided to go to paid just to support the project. Paid gives you GUI for appearance adjustments and desktop “personalization” but not a whole lot else; other than superficials like that, under the hood the free version is exactly the same. I can’t remember what the Zorin folks say about it, get the details directly from them of course, but IMO don’t feel like you have to buy the paid version to get a true taste of how it will work for you.
I wonder if no one is left at Microsoft that knows enough about the core systems to actually improve those… So the best they can do is throw more shit on top
I have a brilliant friend who works there. However, only projects that integrate AI are really getting approved.
I’m getting the feeling that most people wouldn’t hate AI so much if it wasn’t: 1. Built of the labor of let’s without fair compensation, and 2. Wasn’t a privacy nightmare. I think people would be okay with it even in spite of the energy usage because that’s something that can be optimized over time. But these other points are systemic societal issues that the current approach to AI entrenches.
At a minimum, It has stealing, privacy, wage theft, power comsumption, and hardware scarcity issues.
Taking a couple of those away would help. A large part is the fear that it’s taking away our livelihoods, and it’s not even really good at it. It’s also polluting and running on enough pirated data that we’d be sent to prison forever if we, as individuals tried it.
It shines at assisting professionals in specific fields, reading things like body scans, blood tests, and patient histories, and finding correlations. It’s good at helping DevOps/IT people who have to rarely maintain a bunch of oddball systems. It’s decent at finding inconsistencies in code documentation and documenting code that isn’t documented.
It’s bad at art compared to an artist It’s good at art compared to an average electrician.
It’s good at taking work from artists, making side money on Fiverr. It’s great at marketing to CEO’s.
There’s a lot more there than social issues.
Good, I hope it keep self destruct for the foreseeable future, you’re doing good Microsoft keep doing what you’re doing.
Let’s assume for a moment that all OS are going to go this way.
Of all the modern well used OS, microsoft is the one I’d trust the least to do it.
They have 93% of the market, they don’t care about people who use Windows.
“more pervasive”?
Must have been auto corrected from “more invasive”.
kyub@discuss.tchncs.de 1 hour ago
Unfortunately, most Windows users have a long history of complaining about it and then still continuing to use it.
There’s no way around it: if you keep using abusive software, you’ll stay in an abusive relationship.