Technically, men’s sperm takes some time between three days to two weeks as it travels up from the testees to the seminal vesicles, and before that it takes something like 72 days for sperm to be made in the testees via spermatogenesis (although this process is constant regardless of number of ejaculations), meaning that while technically a man could impregnate 9 women a day, realistically a man couldn’t because after the first few their viable sperm count would drastically falter.
She is making a GREAT point
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finitebanjo@lemmy.world 10 minutes ago
curiousaur@reddthat.com 3 hours ago
This is just logically wrong.
If birth control was only made for men, and 90% of men were on birth control, you could end up with far more pregnancies than if it’s for women and 90% of women were on it.
The conclusion is exactly the opposite of the argument.
W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 1 hour ago
I don’t understand you logic. Are you saying the remaining 10% of men would impregnate a disproportionate amount of women?
echodot@feddit.uk 1 hour ago
By the logic of the image, yes.
LeFantome@programming.dev 1 hour ago
Yes. Because 10% of men is enough to impregnate all the women.
GianBarGian@feddit.it 1 hour ago
Yes, that’s exactly the point of the post in the first place, 1 man can impregnate many women, a woman can’t get impregnated (contemporary) by many men
Doomsider@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Nice try mr. pervert, you were trying to make me think about a woman nine months pregnant getting plowed nine times in a row.
NoFun4You@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Up vote
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 4 hours ago
The Lemmycels are pretty angry at this one, but on the other hand it’s pretty silly to trust dudes with birth control when you’re the one that gets pregnant.
Formfiller@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
But we’ve had the technology to make it an option for a long time
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 hour ago
Sure, but as others have pointed out you’d still just end up with literally everyone on birth control.
Which is fine. Certainly makes random failures less likely.
sonofearth@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Just use condoms and don’t hookup with random people. No pills needed for any gender. They are harmful.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 7 hours ago
Dumb. It’s a lot easier to stop one egg a month, than zillions of sperm multiple times a day. Simple as that.
Ringtail@slrpnk.net 2 hours ago
Not if ya snip snip
Tabooki@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
It’s not like they haven’t tried. Most men would love to be able to ensure they don’t get snared. 😉
Scirocco@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
The best option all around that I’ve seen is Vasagel, which is the western development based on RISUG which was a successful Indian trial
The major complication for it has been that no pharma wants to invest in it, likely because if doesn’t have good profit potential.
It is a one-time ‘shot’ of a physical gel that blocks the vas deferens (sperm channel) and is fully reversible simply by being flushed out again.
However, since it is not an ongoing monthly profit ahem, prescription, there is not a lot of money to be made.
No hormones, no pills, fully reversible, simply blocks the sperm exactly like a vasectomy, just very easily reversed. It can all be done in clinic with a syringe (perhaps tho the syringe will be a blocker for some men)
qarbone@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Is the syringe in the dong? Because that’s a beeg no for me. I’m not squeamish around needles but am squeamish about the dong and dings.
ikidd@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Maybe you should just count yourself lucky that you get to control your own fertility. In civilized countries at least.
Captainautism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 hours ago
That’s quickly coming to an end.
echodot@feddit.uk 1 hour ago
I think it’s the civilised that’s coming to an end.
Formfiller@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
It’s only about subjugation and cruelty. That’s why we live in a rape culture run by pedofiles and rapists. It’s by design
Rachelhazideas@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Medical science is not that black and white.
Think about birth control in terms of preventing death and disfigurement. Men don’t die from pregnancy, women do.
When women take birth control, it has the upside of not dying in pregnancy, having horrific pain in the process, or permanent changes to their body. Birth control has a lot of side effects, but at the end of the day, the maternal mortality rate of women who take birth control is far lower.
The reason why medical trials for male birth has been put on hold before, is because when weighing the side effects vs benefits of male birth control, men did not have to weight against death and suffering through pregnancy. Thus, the justification for male birth control requires a much higher bar.
While discrimination against women is prevalent in medicine, this isn’t as simple as an instance of dismissing male birth control because men didn’t like it. The process through which new modern medicines are vetted requires comparing the positive and negative outcomes of a medication, and that doesn’t necessarily take gender dynamics into account.
Formfiller@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
They should have both been available a long time ago pbs.org/…/gender-bias-kill-male-birth-control
AquaTofana@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
I, as a pro-birth control/pro-choice lady, believe lady-oriented birth control has nothing to do with that (perhaps naiively).
Pregnancy, even the healthiest, safest ones, are hard on our bodies. That means that anything that prevents them is theoretically better than if we’re constantly/repeatedly pregnant. Even if its harmful for mental health or long term effects on organs. Pregnancy fucks us up outright both mentally and physically. Like day one.
Obviously I’m simplyifying a bit, but you understand the gist of my logic.
Men dont have HAVE to deal with pregnancy, period, so anything that introduces harm, even minutely, is automatically a worse quality-of-life option for them.
Am I pro-male birth control? Hell yeah I am. I just recognize that they’re giving up more than we would be to accept the same risks, given that they dont have to experience pregnancy to begin with, and I dont trust/expect them to do that.
Therefore, it makes logical sense to me that we’re the ones targeted.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 2 hours ago
Ok, at the end of the day women are the ones that get pregnant. If you’re living a life of one night stands, who’s more at risk? The woman who’s on nothing, or the guy that’s just like “uhhh ya, I’m on that”.
Kind of a poor way of looking at it imo. Guard your house. Don’t expect the predators to guard it.
mechoman444@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Yeah, neat math, but biology isn’t a group project where everyone gets an equal share. Female birth control exists because it’s actually doable. One egg a month is easy to manage, shutting down millions of sperm without wrecking everything else? Not so much.
And every time male birth control does make it to trials, guys tap out the second they get a mood swing or a cramp. Meanwhile, women have been tanking those side effects for decades just to keep the rest of us from multiplying like rabbits.
So no, science didn’t “target the wrong gender.” It just went with the one that could handle it.
Ringtail@slrpnk.net 2 hours ago
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zaphod@sopuli.xyz 6 hours ago
And every time male birth control does make it to trials, guys tap out the second they get a mood swing or a cramp.
This is false, it’s based on a single study and twists facts. Some participants dropped out because of side effects, but those not dropping out said they would actually continue using the pill if it were available. The study was stopped because one participant tried to kill himself.
mechoman444@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
No it wasn’t just one study. The 2016 WHO trial is just the one that got the headlines because it made for a catchy story. There were several other male birth control studies going back to the 80s and 90s where men dropped out because they didn’t want to deal with the side effects. Things like acne mood swings and injection pain.
In the WHO study around twenty out of three hundred twenty men quit over side effects. Earlier trials saw the same thing a few percent tapping out for the same reasons.
So no it wasn’t some isolated case. It’s been a recurring theme across decades of research. The numbers are small but it’s there. Pretending otherwise just tells me you stopped reading after the first article title.
GlenRambo@jlai.lu 8 hours ago
Without wrecking everything else
Women have been taking the sid effects
medgremlin@midwest.social 7 hours ago
Then the just and equitable thing to do would be to shift some of that burden to men to make things easier for the women that aren’t able to “tank” the side effects that can include some life-threatening complications.
I would also like to point out that the leading cause of death of pregnant people in America is intimate partner homicide, so the dangers of pregnancy can also be directly caused by the male partners. Y’all need to toughen the fuck up and get your shit together to do your damn part of preventing unwanted pregnancy and calling out the bad behavior of your peers that eventually escalates to things like rape or intimate partner homicide.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 13 hours ago
I not sure I can impregnate 9 women in a day but I’m willing to participate in a scientific study to find out if anyone is doing that.
Valmond@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
For nine months.
Jerkface@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
starts doing warmup stretches
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 11 hours ago
If you insist.
MissJinx@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
The only people thinking a man can impregnate 9 women in a day are other men, coz they lie to each other
Kolanaki@pawb.social 12 hours ago
Those 9 men could prevent women getting pregnant by cumming in me instead.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 4 hours ago
Honey your desperation is showing.
underscores@lemmy.zip 12 hours ago
based
hateisreality@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
she’s right
Nomorereddit@lemmy.today 8 hours ago
She has no points
A) women are voluntarily driving 100% of demand for this drug B) if we could make it for guys, we would. C) if we did unplanned pregnancies would dry up and women’s power/control of birth would change vastly for the first time in our biological history.
This screen shot is meaningless kindergarten thinking.
Ringtail@slrpnk.net 2 hours ago
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Wilco@lemmy.zip 5 hours ago
YCT-529 just passed human safety trials last July. Its coming … so men won’t be.
agent_nycto@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
Weird how it seems like it’s all for women and safe sex but then criticizes a tool women have to checks notes take control of their sex lives and make decisions about getting pregnant.
medgremlin@midwest.social 7 hours ago
Non-surgical birth control options for women tend to come with a lot of side effects and a number of risks that don’t always outweigh the benefit. Hormonal birth control can cause tons of problems for the women taking them and some of them are associated with life-threatening side effects like increased risk of clotting leading to DVTs, PEs, and strokes.
KenOh@feddit.online 9 hours ago
me: laughs in vasectomy
Ringtail@slrpnk.net 2 hours ago
Fr, no worries anymore!
ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
hakunawazo@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Tedesche@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Feminist snark is much less effective when it’s based an utter ignorance of the science it’s poking fun at.
bountygiver@lemmy.ml 13 hours ago
You still need it.
When you see a driver running a red light, you still brake even if your light is green.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Generic image of attractive woman with text meme.
I’m sure this is well thought through and factual.
TommyJohnsFishSpot@lemy.lol 16 hours ago
Cumming 9 times a day??
Laser@feddit.org 16 hours ago
Nowhere does it say you have to limit yourself to that
KryptoSynth@ani.social 2 hours ago
So hear me out; have the lad cum onto a table, use a postcard or something to divide the subject matter into 9 equal parts, then have the ladies come in and snort it up their pussy.
I’m not a professional in this field fyi.
tidderuuf@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
With 9 different partners each time, dude dick gonna fall off statistically speaking.
Diddlydee@feddit.uk 15 hours ago
Yeah, any more than 7 is tiring.
RattlerSix@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Don’t forget to hydrate
Mickey7@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
If you have a plan and put in the effort it can easily be done
krashmo@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
This guy definitely owns a milking table. It’s probably homemade.
BotsRuinedEverything@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
9 times per day… So ok. You know how women love to give men shit for having a poor understanding is basic female biology? This is that.
kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
9!? You think I can cum 9 times a day!? And apparently hit the egg every fucking time too? I don’t mean to question the conclusion because I think birth control should be both parties’ responsibility, but I think your premise reveals a distinct lack of grasp on biological reality. Why stop at 9? Why not 900? Really drive your point home! My dick is going to be useless after number 2 or 3 anyway.
Valmond@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
“hit the egg” 🤣😂😭
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 14 hours ago
If i cum today and i want to cum tomorrow i will already feel a weaker sensation, probably if i cum 2/3 time in a day that good sensation will be as good as laughing at a joke that isn’t even that funny
StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Cocaine is your friend here, good sir.
LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
I think she liked the number nine because 9 months pregnancy so she used the number 9 for everything in her hypothetical scenario
mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 6 hours ago
classic engineering mistake, trying to fix the problem where it occurs (baby popps out), instead of where it originates (baby gets put in). Can’t be too mad at them for that. Everyone makes that mistake when they start out.
Dozzi92@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
I got snipped so my wife didn’t have to do the hormonal bullshit. Her doctor is putting her back in it because women’s bodies literally do not want them to be happy.
MehBlah@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Back when I was younger and on the road all the time I would have loved to have a pill that guaranteed I didn’t have a critical hit. But even at my peak nine times a day would have had me pushing rope.
khepri@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
If there was a reversible, drug-based intervention for males that prevented impregnation that shit would be given away for free on every street corner and it’s universal availability guaranteed by Constitutional Amendment lol
Trex202@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Genghis Khan has entered the chat
angrystego@lemmy.world 1 minute ago
It’s the woman who’d get pregnant and who doesn’t want to. Should she rely on whether the men took their pills correctly? Taking hormones sucks for many women, but they’re happy to be able to have birth control in their hands.