I not sure I can impregnate 9 women in a day but I’m willing to participate in a scientific study to find out if anyone is doing that.
She is making a GREAT point
Submitted 3 weeks ago by Mickey7@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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lightnsfw@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
Valmond@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
For nine months.
Jerkface@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
starts doing warmup stretches
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
If you insist.
MissJinx@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The only people thinking a man can impregnate 9 women in a day are other men, coz they lie to each other
AtariDump@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
REDACTED@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
How does this unscientific instagram vomit has 500 votes on lemmy? Are we turning into reddit?
jali67@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Because it sounds good to people that never made it beyond high school level biology or bothers to search things
pipe01@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
This is literally the shitpost community
Paddzr@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Always have been. Down to hivemind downvoting in several places here.
Lemmy was advertised as reddit alternative, so it’s exactly what we asked for. I came here during that wave too. So yeah, I’m part of the problem.
chunes@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Not everything is a conspiracy against women
yakko@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
You say that as if women haven’t been treated like property in nearly every society ever since we learned how to farm
chunes@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This is one of the dumbest wagons to hitch that argument to in particular.
Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s less of a conspiracy and more that it didn’t even occur to society until pretty recently (in historical terms) that reproduction isn’t solely a woman’s responsibility
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Well yes. But it also occured to society that stopping 1 egg per month is easier than millions of sperm every day.
Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Is that why men have been wrapping their dicks in all sorts of weird shit for thousands of years? Animal intestines and bladders to name but a few. Fuck your “in historical terms”, youre talking out of your arse, just like every other sexist who makes hating men part of their personality.
JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
I do think that birth control pills having 1 week of sugar pills to force periods rather than 1 week of optional pills to allow skipping periods is pretty fucked up though. The term conspiracy is pretty intense though. But it’s super fucked.
Jarix@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Was curious about the placebos and came across this if you are interested.
srh.bmj.com/content/…/214.full.pdf
A paper that suggests there is no medical evidence why there should be a break in hormonal pills and that you can simply just start a new pack of pills and continue going on with your life
fodor@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I’m not sure who’s she targeting because I know a lot of guys who would love to have birth control pills.
Bluewing@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It ain’t like pharma ain’t been trying to make male birth control pills. Lord knows they’d love the extra money.
But it turns out to be damn difficult to get right.
Jarix@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They have made it. Had human trials with effects that killed the trials.
Most of the men in the trials wanted to keep taking it so their partners didn’t have to bear that burden alone.
14th_cylon@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
and no sane woman should believe that, because if she will later find the guy was lying, it is not going to be the guy having to deal with the consequence. so it is quite stupid take.
cley_faye@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If you’re having sex with random, unknown, untrusted people, you better use a condom anyway, because pregnancy isn’t the worst thing that can happen, so the point is kinda moot anyway.
Mubelotix@jlai.lu 2 weeks ago
What? You could say that when reversed, but until proven otherwise, women have every rights and the power to chose what happens, unlike men who don’t have a say
FridaySteve@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
No sane person should leave something that important to the sole responsibility of someone else no matter who they are.
Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
Those 9 men could prevent women getting pregnant by cumming in me instead.
underscores@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
based
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 2 weeks ago
Honey your desperation is showing.
curiousaur@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
This is just logically wrong.
If birth control was only made for men, and 90% of men were on birth control, you could end up with far more pregnancies than if it’s for women and 90% of women were on it.
The conclusion is exactly the opposite of the argument.
W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I don’t understand you logic. Are you saying the remaining 10% of men would impregnate a disproportionate amount of women?
echodot@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
By the logic of the image, yes.
LeFantome@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
Yes. Because 10% of men is enough to impregnate all the women.
GianBarGian@feddit.it 2 weeks ago
Yes, that’s exactly the point of the post in the first place, 1 man can impregnate many women, a woman can’t get impregnated (contemporary) by many men
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Dumb. It’s a lot easier to stop one egg a month, than zillions of sperm multiple times a day. Simple as that.
Ringtail@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Not if ya snip snip
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Exactly. In the case of men, that has turned out to be the most effective method in blocking a literal flood of sperm.
People claim m that men would use a daily pill, but guys don’t want their women getting pregnant any more than the women do, at least not until they are ready. If it existed, most guys would gladly take a pill that would keep them from 18 years of child support, just like most women do. In fact, having double contraception would reduce unwanted pregnancies significantly, which would also reduce the abortion rate, which might help bringing down the political temperature a bit (no, it won’t).
It’s not us men resisting male contraception, most of us would love it. It’s just not mechanically as easy to do for men as it is for women. It’s a science problem, not a market segment problem. Make it, and there will be customers for it.
SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
Counterpoint: a woman taking birthcontrol is empowering her because she is taking charge of her own reproduction. She doesn’t have to rely on or trust the man to take his pill. After all, she would be the one bearing most of the burden in case of an unwanted pregnancy.
Additionally, purely biologically it is much easier to reliably stop conception on the female side than on the male side. A woman only produces one egg cell per month, whereas a man produces millions of sperm cells per day.
DrivebyHaiku@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Counterpoint to your counterpoint- no form of birth control has a zero percent failure rate under perfect use conditions and not all women respond to all forms of birth control well meaning pregnancy capable people cannot take perfect control of their family planning choices without the extreme surgical intervention of a hysterectomy as even getting medically sterilized in other ways can potentially undo itself. Doubling up from both sides means a much lower chance of failure rate resulting in life changing or difficult consequences and distress on behalf of the partner who faces higher risk outcomes.
Doing your part in a relationship’s reproductive planning is good partner behavior. This shouldn’t be a game where just one person is on the hook and the other is just along for the ride. Male and Female birth control do not exist as a one or the other dichotomy. Stoking division of the sexes over which one is more nessisary is counter to the real point. These are tools couples can use together to be safer.
jali67@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
No one is saying both sides should not be responsible. The initial photo from OP is implying that BC was initially for women out of misogyny or some other malicious reason. It is MUCH easier to terminate 1-2 viable eggs through a cycle than millions of sperm without causing infertility.
SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
Doing your part in a relationship’s reproductive planning is good partner behavior. This shouldn’t be a game where just one person is on the hook and the other is just along for the ride. Male and Female birth control do not exist as a one or the other dichotomy.
Except what the meme is saying is not that both partners should work together on birth control. It suggests that it should be on the man instead.
Meme also suggests that no work is being done on a male contraception pill, when in reality this is being worked on and has been worked on for decades, but there are good biological reasons why this is anything but trivial and certainly much harder than a female contraception pill.
ThunderclapSasquatch@startrek.website 2 weeks ago
Condoms don’t exist?
LeFantome@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
Fun fact.
Women do not produce eggs each month, they just release them.
Women are born with all the eggs they will ever have. They never make any more.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 weeks ago
The Lemmycels are pretty angry at this one, but on the other hand it’s pretty silly to trust dudes with birth control when you’re the one that gets pregnant.
curiousaur@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
What do you mean by that first sentence?
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The whole comment is only a single sentence…
Formfiller@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
But we’ve had the technology to make it an option for a long time
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 weeks ago
Sure, but as others have pointed out you’d still just end up with literally everyone on birth control.
Which is fine. Certainly makes random failures less likely.
Gladaed@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
It’s a reductive argument. It suggests that the world actively decided to harm woman. A man not taking a contraceptive or forgetting to could inflict disproportionate harm on another person. There are many great reasons why it is the way it is.
Also the numbers are all out of whack. It makes sense that some would argue against it.
jali67@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
People who didn’t make it beyond high school level biology think this meme is some sort of hard hitting argument 😆 it is much easier to control terminating 1-2 eggs in a cycle than millions of sperm without causing infertility.
angrystego@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s the woman who’d get pregnant and who doesn’t want to. Should she rely on whether the men took their pills correctly? Taking hormones sucks for many women, but they’re happy to be able to have birth control in their hands.
LorIps@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah, I think people forget why the pill was such a game changer: It allowed women, without the permission or knowledge of their husband/sexual partner, to decide wether or not they wanted to get pregnant.
kunaltyagi@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
Should there be an temporary contraceptive for men? Yes, it gives agency to men and also provides an alternative to women who can’t use female contraception for a multitude of reasons.
Will that be preferred by all women? Hell no
balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one 2 weeks ago
Taking hormones can also be a significant positive, depends on the person.
Gladaed@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Yes, but this is not about the poll having positive side effects.
ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
hakunawazo@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
AtariDump@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
wampus@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Nah, this isn’t a great point at all… even at face value really.
Put slightly differently, if we’re assuming people sleep around as much as the text implies, if we focus on birth control solely for men, then one ‘failure’/non-controlled man would result in a ton of pregnancies. If the onus is on women, then one ‘failure’/non-controlled woman would result in one pregnancy.
skisnow@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
It doesn’t stand up on its own terms on other levels as well.
Even the most cynical misandrist interpretation of how research is funded would still lean towards men being given the agency on whether sex lead to pregnancy.
FridaySteve@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The most commonly produced, available, and used birth control method worldwide is the latex condom, used by everyone who has a penis. Try again.
Tattorack@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This.
davidagain@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If the numbers were correct and your aim was to reduce pregnancies, you could prevent 90% of pregnancies by getting roughly 90% of sexually active women to take the pill. Getting 99.95% of sexually active men to take the pill would have NO effect whatsoever on the pregnancy rate, because the remaining 1 in 2000 men would continue to meet and impregnate a woman roughly once every hours for roughly 12 hours a day with breaks for food and resting his dick for 9 months straight, with time to visit 430 women a second time in case these miracle impregnators somehow didn’t always impregnate on first meeting a woman. (This would very drastically reduce diversity in the gene pool and the world would be very very very badly interbred within two generations.)
But of course humans don’t behave like the numbers suggest AT ALL, thank goodness.
TommyJohnsFishSpot@lemy.lol 3 weeks ago
Cumming 9 times a day??
Laser@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
Nowhere does it say you have to limit yourself to that
tidderuuf@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
With 9 different partners each time, dude dick gonna fall off statistically speaking.
Diddlydee@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
Yeah, any more than 7 is tiring.
Rooty@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s easier to prevent ovulation of one egg than stop a billion sperm cells from reaching their destination. Stop politicising biology.
recarsion@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
Someone tell her condoms exist and it’s men’s job to buy and wear them. Prevention is both genders responsibility. If they make a pill for men I’ll happily take it.
Dozzi92@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I got snipped so my wife didn’t have to do the hormonal bullshit. Her doctor is putting her back in it because women’s bodies literally do not want them to be happy.
mechoman444@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah, neat math, but biology isn’t a group project where everyone gets an equal share. Female birth control exists because it’s actually doable. One egg a month is easy to manage, shutting down millions of sperm without wrecking everything else? Not so much.
And every time male birth control does make it to trials, guys tap out the second they get a mood swing or a cramp. Meanwhile, women have been tanking those side effects for decades just to keep the rest of us from multiplying like rabbits.
So no, science didn’t “target the wrong gender.” It just went with the one that could handle it.
Devjavu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I think if I busted a nut 9 times a day, I would just simply just vanish.
Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Counter point, all men are rapists(according to the wisdom of the internet). Therefore, birth control is protection against the onslaught of unwanted semen that comes from all the endless rape.
Or, if you arent a perpetually online moron, birth control allows women to control their reproduction. Its a symbol of liberation and freedom for women, who can now enjoy sex at their want without worry of pregnancy.
In over words, shes making a shit point. This is like all the clueless cunts moaning about women in short skirts in Star Trek, not realising the the mini skirt was a symbol of sexual liberation for the time.
kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
9!? You think I can cum 9 times a day!? And apparently hit the egg every fucking time too? I don’t mean to question the conclusion because I think birth control should be both parties’ responsibility, but I think your premise reveals a distinct lack of grasp on biological reality. Why stop at 9? Why not 900? Really drive your point home! My dick is going to be useless after number 2 or 3 anyway.
bountygiver@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
You still need it.
When you see a driver running a red light, you still brake even if your light is green.
KenOh@feddit.online 2 weeks ago
me: laughs in vasectomy
michaelmrose@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
So in this imaginary never ending orgy it would still make sense for the women to take the pill because if 99% of the men do the other 1% will somehow make every single women pregnant.
callyral@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
The one who gets pregnant should probably take the birth control, as pregnancy would be more bothersome for them than for the other person.
Tedesche@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Feminist snark is much less effective when it’s based an utter ignorance of the science it’s poking fun at.
Tabooki@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s not like they haven’t tried. Most men would love to be able to ensure they don’t get snared. 😉
Trex202@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Genghis Khan has entered the chat
agent_nycto@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Weird how it seems like it’s all for women and safe sex but then criticizes a tool women have to checks notes take control of their sex lives and make decisions about getting pregnant.
medgremlin@midwest.social 2 weeks ago
Non-surgical birth control options for women tend to come with a lot of side effects and a number of risks that don’t always outweigh the benefit. Hormonal birth control can cause tons of problems for the women taking them and some of them are associated with life-threatening side effects like increased risk of clotting leading to DVTs, PEs, and strokes.
kuhli@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Yes, and male birth control doesn’t solve these problems because the only way to be 100% sure is to be on birth control yourself, especially important with huge chunks of the US banning abortions
agent_nycto@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
And it’s their choice to pick that option and it’s not my place to remove that option because I’m done rando on the Internet who thinks he knows better