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Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world 2 days agoYes I have. But Im betting that you havent. To be clear, I never said it wasnt a problem. Its just not the problem that internet makes it out to be. Often we see morons using stats from African countries, where rape gangs are frequent, to justify saying “all men” in the US are pricks who rape women.
As for women talking to me about things. As long as you dont come at me like I raped you, or pushing some sexist ideal that “all men” are rapists, a conversation is fine to be had. If want me just to sit there and nod my head while you push some twoxchromosomes like up my arse, the answer will be “nah, Im good.”.
In the US, 1.9 million women are raped every year. Im sure you’ll agree, thats far too many. There are over 170 million women and girls in the US right now. As for sexual assaults, thats 480,000 a year. Out of over 170 million. Yes, we both wish that the number were zero. But no, I dont agree that women should be scared. Accord to RAINN, there is a 0.6 to 0.7% chance that a woman will be raped in her lift time. The risk of being in a car crash at least once in your life, is 84%. Shall we start making some shit about cars now???
The problem with people like you, is you make enemies where you did have any to start with. We can all agree that no woman should ever be raped or forced to endure an assault of any kind. But instead, you want to make it about how awful “men” are, and how you cant even walk the streets at night without being assaulted. Which is also bullshit, as only 10% of rapes happen because of strangers attacking women on the street. No, women are just as safe as men walking the streets at night, safer in fact, as we get attacked FAR more frequently. No, a womans real issue with rape and sexually assault happens when she gets home. Fathers, uncles, brothers, husbands, boyfriends, are all in that 90% bracket. So walk the streets ladies, it would seem that you dont have to worry about anything until you get home…
See how annoying that is?
davidagain@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Um your math isn’t mathing here:
I think all rape is also sexual assault and I suspect that sexual assault that doesn’t go as far as rape is more common than rape. Did you mean 1.9 thousand, or 19 thousand, or do sexual assaults that aren’t rape go massively unreported?
(about 1% per year)
(about 1% per lifetime)
These two are also inconsistent, which leads me to suspect that you got the order of magnitude wrong on the US rapes somehow.
In search of a number, I tried en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_the_United_States where I found
Relationship of victim to rapist before the incident:
Current or former intimate partner: 26%
Another relative: 7%
Friend or acquaintance: 38%
Stranger: 26%
so maybe women should exercise caution going out (38% + 26% = 64%) more than staying in (26% + 7% = 34%).
Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world 2 days ago
1.9 million rapes (CDC) 480,000 sexual assaults (ie not rape) (RAINN)
Not sure what it is that you arent getting here. Im making the distinction between being felt up and having a penis shoved in to you. Rape is sexual assault, but sexual assault is not rape. Just ask any man who has been forced to have sex against his will, and it not be considered rape.
Youre right, I misspoke. The 10% number is only among college women. It closer to 20-25% of all women. Still, doesnt really change the point, doest it? The men that pose the greatest threat to women, are not strangers. I dont know how youre fucking brain works, but strangers = people you dont know. Seeing you explain how the fuck fathers, uncles, brothers, are in the same category as strangers will be a fun fucking read.
0.6 to 0.7% over a womans life time(averaging 70 years). If you have a problem with that number, I suggest you take up with RAINN (Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network). Its their number. In fact, all the numbers that you dont like, come from RAINN or the CDC. So you can take it up with them, but those are the average numbers.
davidagain@lemmy.world 2 days ago
1.9m/170m = 1% per year. That doesn’t add up to 0.7% per lifetime. I don’t know how you can think that more women get raped per year than get raped per lifetime. It didn’t add up, which is why I questioned it.
Thanks for quoting CDC as your source, which helped. I couldn’t find particularly recent data, but the 2016/2017 survey said:
Table 1 quotes 54.3% for lifetime contact sexual violence for women, and 47% unwanted sexual contact. You quoted significantly fewer (480 000) sexual assaults than rapes (1.9 million) which still doesn’t add up, no matter how much you swear at me.
They’re in the 34% bracket according to the CDC - see data below.
Actually, as you can see from my figures, I put the fathers, uncles, brothers in the same category as the intimate partners - the home category.
I was assuming that family and partners/former partners would be at home and the friends, acquaintances and strangers would be met when they went out. You can take issue with that certainly, but I didn’t put her dad in the stranger category.
Anyway, I think that we can agree that being alone with a man is perhaps where the risk lies for women, whether that’s at home or outside.
Occasionally you make very good points, but you’re unnecessarily abusive to people who make even minor corrections, and I get the impression that you don’t read your posts or your replies terribly carefully, preferring to shout than check.
HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Erm…
I think there are errors on both parts here…
1.9/170 is about 1.1176%. 4 decimal places is still an unacceptable level of rounding here, but it’sa damn sight better than 0/1 decimal place. Both of you were off on this.
It is definitely right to split rape and sexual assault, they’re very different crimes - combining them is double counting which is a poor faith tactic used to inflate numbers.
1.1176% per year DEFINITELY does not translate directly to that for a lifetime. To put it into context, if you have a 1% chance of being shot each day (assuming BINS) you have a [(0.99)^365]*100% (or 2.6%) of not being shot at all that year - note binomial is not appropriate for rape odds calculations but it’s a nice example of how low odds per year DO NOT translate to low odds per lifetime.
Self report is absolute garbage - it’s the worst form of stat gathering and often leads to socially advantageous answers being given. Using self-report stats as a keystone to an argument is dangerous at best.
The “known rapist” is a tricky one, as it depends how you define rape. Sex under the influence of alcohol you later regret - tricky to place in the at home (you knew them enough to go home with) vs stranger (did you really know them). While it’s nice to give clear cut numbers, this isn’t a clear cut scenario.
/Statsrant
Seems to me you both care about this topic - sounds to me like you should both go data hunting and explore the topic together. Two opposing perspectives makes a great paper, and you generally learn more!
My two cents - being alone with someone is always risky. Trying to assign which is riskier (men or women) is foolish, it creates the dynamic of “men vs women” rather than the desired “everyone vs rapists”.
Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Ah, youre one of them…
No, I dont think we can agree on that sexist statement. Being alone with a man is not automatically or inherently dangerous. The vast majority of men are safe, and sexual violence is committed by a small minority.
Around 2-10% of reported rapes, are found to be false. So, thats the number. But when talk about rape, we include non convictions when we talk about men and rape. I was once falsely accused of rape. I wasnt convicted because there was no evidence that I had done it. But I wasnt able to clear myself either, because how the fuck do you prove a negative??? My story, is one of those used to inflate the number of rapists out there. Because my story falls under “not convicted”. Do you see the problem? Sexism means that we account for those who were convicted as “rapists who got away”, but not “liars who didnt get caught”. So, with this in mind, is being alone with a woman is where men risk their freedom??? Of course not. That would be fucking stupid. Wouldnt it? Because basing my opinion of woman around what a minority of them do would be… whats that word again… Oh yes, sexism! And thats what you are pushing here. Sexism.