If you’re stuck with Win11, this will unfuck quite a bit of it.
Microsoft is making every Windows 11 PC an AI PC
Submitted 5 months ago by mr_MADAFAKA@lemmy.ml to technology@lemmy.world
https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2025/10/16/making-every-windows-11-pc-an-ai-pc/
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Jaysyn@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Mwa@thelemmy.club 5 months ago
we need more PCS without oses or with a Linux distro instead.
aesthelete@lemmy.world 5 months ago
It’s obvious that Windows and Microsoft remain as evil as they were in the 00s when they basically singlehandedly held back web development with ie6 for a fucking decade.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
First steps of windows install:
- No to everything for data monitoring
- Google or Opera default browser
- Disable or ignore all copilot icons
- Unstick all user folders from OneDrive
- TranslucentTB
Bahnd@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Yah… You dont own your OS on W11, you had better script those changes or they might be reverted on major updates. (They do that for the default browser all the time, and they will likely break that script every year or two)
This is why the [gestures broadly to Lemmy community] evangalizes for Linux so much, everyone is going have to learn a new OS anyway. Aside from what ever Apple is doing, there really are only two choices, a free and open source suite of software that is trusted because everything is public and auditable, or an OS that activly contributes to the creation of the Torment Nexus. We do get that some applications wont work on linux, but my response to that is to look for a new version anyway, your living on borrowed time. Windows 11 is rolling full speed ahead on breaking compatibility with everything Microsoft did not make (and therefore cant update to collect data on you).
Mwa@thelemmy.club 5 months ago
Google or Opera default browser
What about Librewolf,there is a build for it for windows but no auto updating
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 5 months ago
google as default browser
You sweet summer child, Google is as bad if not even worse than Microsoft. Chrome is no longer the browser the memes that glazed it used to depict it as.
Fiery@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
Also, didn’t opera sell to some spyware company? I’m team zen (firefox fork with some very neat extra features) btw.
Joelk111@lemmy.world 5 months ago
You forgot the step where you ignore step 2 and use Firefox.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
With 68% of consumers reporting using AI to support their decision making, voice is making this easier.
sure, maybe as a reference tool. not as fucking something that can perform actions on my computer
altphoto@lemmy.today 5 months ago
Meanwhile I’m making every one of my computers Linux.
eddyizm@lemmy.world 5 months ago
return of the clippy, now named skynet.
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 5 months ago
At this point, regular use of AI should forbid you from voting. It not only means that you can’t make decisions on your own, but that your choice can be affected by the people owning the AI service.
tehn00bi@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Someone I work with puts every question they have into GPT. They are completely incapable of having an original thought anymore.
GPT is causing real life brain rot for the general public.
Corridor8031@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
i think the whole problem is that they call it AI, which basically describes it as something that it just cant deliver
krypt@lemmy.world 5 months ago
It can deliver… your personal information to the states +third-parties
skisnow@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
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Raiderkev@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Oh thank God. I need more AI in my life to be useless
medem@lemmy.wtf 5 months ago
…and 99,99% of middle managers ‘’‘working’‘’ in tech be like yeaaaaaaaa daddy just cram that shit down my throat like I’m an abused goose!
lechekaflan@lemmy.world 5 months ago
How to either make more sheeple or convince more to switch to Linux.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 5 months ago
Opt in, defaulted to off, but I’m sure that won’t stop people crying.
ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 5 months ago
With 68% of consumers reporting using AI to support their decision making, voice is making this easier. [1]
Does anybody actually believe that 68% of consumers use or even want Copilot? But they included a source for this very generous assertion at the bottom of the page:
[1] Based on Microsoft-commissioned online study of U.S. consumers ages 13 years of age or older conducted by Edelman DXI and Assembly, 1,000 participants, July 2025.
Oh yeah, that’s compelling: US consumers, 13 years old and older. An entire thousand of them!
So the only question I have left is which junior high principal Microsoft “compensated” for this survey, and what happened to the 320 summer school attendees who said fuck you, no anyway.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 5 months ago
They got that 68% usage number likely by counting everyone accidentally using it after a search swap or similar trick.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
they are equating “AI support” with “I want AI copilot integrated into my OS”
and that’s a big leap
UltraMagnus@startrek.website 5 months ago
When google shoves their ai to the top of search results, its hard not to read it. I’ve been spoiled by ublock and I am no longer used to ignoring the first few things that come up.
ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I’ve been using Duckduckgo with uBlock for years, so I had no real problems with anything like the hell of Google “sponsored content” until Duckduckgo started putting up their own AI search assistant. Since then I’ve gone from start.duckduckgo.com to noai.duckduckgo.com because I got tired of turning their search assist off and couldn’t reliably block it with uBlock because they kept changing it. (I delete all cookies after every browser session and do not maintain individual app accounts, so their AI settings options were never gonna work for me.)
Because of the way my brain works, I literally don’t even want to see what AI says until I’ve done my own looking. Yet I never failed to turn it off, because I just can’t rely on it.
Usually when I’m looking for something I’m in a hurry, so it’s less trouble for me to just pick my own sources, preferably older than 2023 if possible, and read a bit myself than to spend time getting blithely lied to, or even just suspect hallucination/omission to the point that I think I need to verify it before I can rely on it.
It’s not an exaggeration to say that for me, it is literally faster to skim three or four completely different primary sources than it is to try to verify the assertions in a single search assist paragraph: one is just light reading, the other is point by point comparison of the AI offering against multiple independent sources. So I read.
I’ve never regretted summarizing a topic myself, but I’ve definitely gotten some rotten eggs from AI, both in blatant non-truths AND in holes of omission you could drive a truck through. I won’t make that mistake again. So for me, AI summaries are well worth staying wary of for now.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
My favorite is when AI summary answers a question, then the links from the search below contradict that answer. It’s shit for biomedical research.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 5 months ago
Also just because you have used AI doesn’t mean its overly useful. Gone to ChatGPT multiple times to try getting information that Google now is too shit to provide, and ChatGPT ends up providing some stupid response that is clearly wrong.
Occasionally used ChatGPT to find a website to use as an actual source, but now those sources are also AI written bullshit that is clearly wrong. Which is increasingly concerning because while I know some things are wrong, I don’t know everything. How many other things that it points to are wrong? Its not too bad if you are able to verify it through non LLM sources, but what if you can’t?
MutilationWave@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
It’s the newspaper (news site or app now) problem. You read the news from your venue of choice, taking it all in, sorting out how you feel about it, maybe pick a side on an issue. Then you turn the page and there it is. An article about your career field in A.
Wow, you might think, they got this so wrong. They clearly have no understanding of A. You might even get angry about it.
And then you read the next article.
cy_narrator@discuss.tchncs.de 5 months ago
Yeah like we all use chatGPT for the most part now but that still does not mean copilot
Fun fact though out of topic: I once searched for 2 girls one cup in copilot, and though it said I cant talk about it, it provided sources and one of them was a link to the video
ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I can’t judge you for that, I feel like you probably got the very best Copilot has to offer, lol
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 5 months ago
Yeah, I’d believe it. Outside of anti-AI circlejerks, people like AI, especially ones like ChatGPT, and especially if it is available right at their fingertips. It’s quickly becoming a part of everyday life and processes.
The anti-AI people need to start accepting that today and every day after it is going be the day that AI plays the smallest part in humanity’s future. The genie is out of the bottle and it’s never going back in. The sooner they can accept that and let go of the hate and see it for what it is - a useful tool to help you - the better and less angry their lives will be.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 5 months ago
We put the leaded gasoline genie back into its bottle, time to put the AI slop genie back into its bottle too!
Soup@lemmy.world 5 months ago
How useful is it really? I constantly hear about it being wrong and I’m not so stupid that I can’t handle a search through Wikipedia on my own.
Why should accept this thing that is of such little benefit to my life? Why should I accept this thing that is constantly wrong? Why should I accept this thing that just allows uncreative and insecure people to fill the internet full of garbage?
If you need AI as it is to help you do things then I pity you greatly.
jjlinux@lemmy.zip 5 months ago
You make a good point, and the end of this movie remains to be seen (though I agree that right now it looks like AI is here to stay).
I use AI pretty regularly to check for holes on some extremely long compliance documents for work, and the results in terms of not missing parts and reducing the time of the task is amazing, to say the least.
However, this is very different from having an agent controlled by MicroShit seeing everything you do in what is supposed to be YOUR computer, and giving it all to MicroShit to do God knows what with your data.
Yes, AI is currently the new smartphone boom, but there are many ways to use it without showing up completely naked in front of these assholes, especially since you’re not even given an option to cover yourself.
Silinde@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I think it’s important to still give a critical eye towards the use of AI, but at this point I think it’s clear that not only is the use of AI going to stop (even once the bubble bursts), but also that the top-end models are just becoming more and more capable every month.
A couple years ago I was giving GPT-3 complex prompts and laughing at how bad and error-prone the output was, but last week I was using GPT-5 to give me information in a field I have little knowledge of, and it’s giving me perfect answers in seconds that takes me 20+ minutes to verify as correct, and that’s tens of times faster than actually learning the field myself. Even if I were to take a year to learn it all myself, I’d then need to not only retain all of that information, but also keep up-to-date on advancements in that field, which an AI will just do over time. This way I can concentrate on the fields of work I already know and follow, but can dabble in other fields without expensive retraining or bugging others in those fields with basic questions.
dev_null@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
There is a vast difference between people using/liking AI and people using/liking Copilot.
SabinStargem@lemmy.today 5 months ago
I think the more important thing, is for people to push to make AI a public good, rather than a corporate hegemony. If corporations are the sole creators and holders of AI, they will do all sorts of terrible things with their mastery. Publicly developed and open-sourced AI that is free for anyone to use, is important.
The refusal for the public to truly make AI their own, would be akin to letting corporations to control every single printing press.
cley_faye@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I was pondering about updating that dying w10 partition, just in case. Well, looks like someone else put the final nail in that coffin for me.
Krudler@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Pro tip: Buy great laptops on Marketplace, use Rufus to make an ISO which bypasses the RAM and TPM requirements and lets you make a local account, install Win11 and resell for 2x what you paid
I’ve been rolling in cash with this for the past month
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
User buys computer from you, 7.6GB/8GB RAM consumption on fresh boot with nothing open.
User cries.
Krudler@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I bought this for $20 and just sold it today for $160
Works perfectly
Enjoy your feeling of smugness lol
shalafi@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Great. Well I’m not pushing the update icon that’s been waiting on me for a few days. If Copilot is invasive and can’t be turned off, I may finally jump ship.
Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I’ve only owned windows machines… well since my first DOS machine in the 90s. I made the switch to Mac after hearing about the embedded Ads in 11.
I’m sure there are many more going to Linux.
sploosh@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Apple’s making it easy these days. Mac Minis are cheap and more than enough computer for 95% of people’s tasks, while also using sipping watts. I’m on a M4 Mac Mini and it’s using 3.91 watts right now. I’ve run it at full tilt for extended periods of time and I barely heard the fan. It even runs BG3 somehow.
That said, the power button being on the bottom is dumb but not a real issue. MacOS’s assumption that you’re going to be using a trackpad is annoying for those of us with nice mice. Actually, MacOS is just annoying in a lot of ways. I get that the bumpers are there to keep people from causing long lines at Genius Bars, but I wish there were just a single button that I could hit that tell the machine I know my way around a *nix and don’t need to be babied at every turn.
dorumon@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Oh boy I can’t wait to try out this new feature on my laptop that is forced to run Windows 11 because it’s a Windows on Arm device and Samsung fucked it up so much that they didn’t even include a device tree file in the BIOS so I can’t even reinstall Windows. As if I didn’t already block gemini using my DNS server and Bing and Microsoft Office servers as a whole. Who is this feature for anyway? Just for data collection for Microsoft? So they can leak more shit through copilot from the rest of the world and companies that are forced to use this dumb operating system? So they can auction off the data to 150 trackers and companies to make a bit more money for an operating system you sometimes have to pay money for? Man IT departments sometimes having to put more work in to disable copilot for Microsoft to also just go behind your fucking back and advertise to your users to use copilot on their phones instead. I hate this company with a burning passion in my heart and soul. They are just as evil and souless as Adobe when it comes to just stealing your data and I’m glad that there will be some effort to avoid Microsoft in the future from countries that is somewhat actually just happening. Google and their shit is just as bad though and I also wish them a quiet stay in fucking hell with gemini and whatnot and leaking of personal information already. I’m just done. No one wants AI and I’m tired of having it get shoved into everything.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
I asked copilot…
How would Microsoft loyalty to US or other government’s national security possibly compromise a user’s PC if that user gives copilot permission to operate their PC?
How national-security or law-enforcement demands could lead to compromise
- Compelled access to data Microsoft controls — If Microsoft stores or indexes any of your Copilot data in the cloud, Microsoft can be required by lawful process to produce that data to U.S. or other governments with legal jurisdiction.
- Compelled changes to services — Governments can issue orders that require providers to change logging, enable access, or install monitoring in ways that may be secret or accompanied by gag orders.
- Access to telemetry and diagnostics — Diagnostic or telemetry data that Copilot or Windows collects can include evidence of your activity and may be producible under legal request.
- Local features that capture content — Features designed to assist (for example, an automated “Recall” that snapshots screens) create local records of sensitive material that increase exposure risk if accessed by an authorized party.
- Remote-control or agent capabilities — If Copilot is granted elevated permissions (input control, script execution, system configuration), those same capabilities could be exercised under legal compulsion or via back-end access mechanisms.
- Software updates and maintenance — Lawful orders can compel vendors to ship updates or config changes that alter how a product behaves, increasing access to user systems.
Practical ways those legal obligations could manifest on your PC
- Production of synced or cloud-stored Copilot logs, prompts, or screenshots to authorities.
- Microsoft being required to provide live access or historical logs from back-end services that the Copilot agent uses.
- A secret court order or national security letter forcing Microsoft to enable additional logging, monitoring, or remote access for a targeted account or device.
- Disclosure of keys, tokens, or server-side records that tie on-device events to your identity.
Why elevated permissions matter
- Read access to files and memory lets an agent capture documents, credentials, or keys.
- Input/automation control enables actions on your behalf (open files, send messages, change settings).
- Persistence (services/agents) makes it easier for any compelled access to be effective and harder for you to detect or disable.
Risk-reduction steps you can take now
- Limit permissions: Grant only the minimal Copilot privileges needed; avoid giving input control, admin rights, or system-level automation.
- Disable features that capture content: Turn off any screen-snapshot or automatic indexing/Recall-like features if you don’t need them.
- Avoid cloud syncing for sensitive data: Keep sensitive files off services that sync or index them in the cloud.
- Prefer on-device-only models: Use local-only AI modes when available so prompts and context do not leave your machine.
- Use full-disk and file-level encryption with keys you control; avoid storing keys where the vendor could be compelled to retrieve them.
- Harden account security: Use strong, unique passwords and MFA on accounts tied to Copilot or Microsoft services.
- Audit logs and telemetry: Review and reduce diagnostic/telemetry settings; regularly review logs for unexpected activity.
- Segmentation: Use a separate machine or VM for highly sensitive work so a general-purpose Copilot-enabled device doesn’t hold those secrets.
- Legal & contractual protections: For high-risk contexts, seek contractual commitments, data residency options, or legal counsel about how a vendor handles lawful demands.
Quick practical checklist
- Turn off automatic screenshot/Recall features.
- Remove admin permissions from Copilot agent.
- Keep sensitive work on a non-synced, encrypted volume.
- Use local-only AI options where offered.
- Enable and monitor endpoint and network logging for unusual remote access.
Short conclusion Allowing Copilot to operate your PC raises the surface where lawful government demands or compelled actions could expose data or enable access. The likelihood and scope depend on which features you enable (especially cloud sync, screen capture, and elevated permissions) and the legal jurisdiction over the vendor or the data. Minimize permissions, disable content-capture features, and isolate truly sensitive workflows to reduce exposure.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
So uhm, copilot just told us not to use these new copilot features.
StopSpazzing@lemmy.world 5 months ago
But if copilot is untrust worthly according to copilot then why would you believe copilot?
Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 5 months ago
What about the weak old Notebooks?
melfie@lemy.lol 5 months ago
Making every Windows 11 PC an AI PC
Great, so everything runs locally, making it a self-contained “AI PC”. Otherwise, the headline surely would’ve been, “Making every PC collect data to train Microsoft’s models with little benefit in return“. Right?
that’s why it’s an AI PC? Right?
Capricorn_Geriatric@lemmy.world 5 months ago
What do you mean “little benefit in return”?
Clearly, it streams a buttload of data!
Your ISP bill will surely grow. Hope you’re not roaming with your laptop on!
goatinspace@feddit.org 5 months ago
msage@programming.dev 5 months ago
What saddens me is that I can’t tell which game this is.
It’s not Zero for sure, and not the 3rd I think either.
Is it the original 1 or 2?
goatinspace@feddit.org 5 months ago
Don’t know
barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 5 months ago
And for some reason when I buy a laptop I need to also pay for that disgusting spyware. How is the scam still going on?
DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org 5 months ago
Yeah, the OEM deals in themselves are shady as fuck once you think about it for a couple seconds.
melfie@lemy.lol 5 months ago
MafiaSoft is definitely taking their piece of the action, but laptops from smaller companies like System76 end up costing a fair amount more extra for equivalent hardware than the $50-$100 tax you’re otherwise paying for an OS you’re going to promptly replace. I’d say vote with your wallet, but I realize not everyone can afford to do so.
Quazatron@lemmy.world 5 months ago
There are alternatives. I bought a Lenovo direct from their site with no OS installed. The saving from not having Windows was enough to afford double the RAM.
barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Yeah, the lack of mass production causes higher prices. Framework and system76 are doing good things and deserve support. However, the issue imo is a legislative one. You should be forced to purchase an operating system with your hardware.
Auth@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Only when you buy a windows laptop. You can buy MacOS, Android, chromeOS, linux laptops.
detren@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
You can also buy a framework which doesn’t come with anything
barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 5 months ago
ChromeOS and android are about to be the same thing. I know you can buy laptops with Linux for a while (e.g., RHEL on IBM/Lenovo machine); however, it is definitely not the norm. It’s getting much better now, but if you want your choice of hardware it’s probably going to ship with windows. MacOS is quickly becoming a walled Garden too. I just want to be refunded for an operating system that I immediately wipe, and everyone else should too.
cyberwolfie@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
Is “agentic” even a real word?
addie@feddit.uk 5 months ago
There’s no committee that approves words being added to the English language. Anything that’s understood by the group that uses it is a real word. We make up new words and change the definition of old ones all the time; dictionaries are descriptive, not proscriptive.
That doesn’t stop the concept of ‘agentic AI’ being a pile of bullshit being peddled by snake-oil salesmen, of course, but you don’t have to be Shakespeare to be permitted to make up new words.
cyberwolfie@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
The question should be more understood as “was the word agentic even in use prior to AI-people slapping it on everything?” It was a genuine question, I have never heard it until it being used in this context.
zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
Disgusting
Decipher0771@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
The only reason I have a windows box is for gaming, specifically sims (racing and flying)
Ever more reason to test and see if the wheel and flight stick work under Proton.
HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 months ago
Bazzite my dude. Check it out, super easy and setup for easy dual boot so you can give it a shot without clearing windows (if shits partitioned right)
Gerudo@lemmy.zip 5 months ago
I want to use this last year of win 10 updates to slowly get onto Bazzite but I have heard horror stories of dualbooting Linux and Windows. Windows tends to overwrite the boot preferences and caps the system.i have only booted into Linux from an external drive in the past, so what is the tried and true dual boot method?
ranzispa@mander.xyz 5 months ago
I’d be amazed if you were the first person testing if those things work. However, I would not be surprised if your specific peripherals do not work as they are supposed to.
If you know someone with a Linux pc it could be easy to test it out.
Decipher0771@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
I’ll probably throw in a spare HD and dual boot the box to test one of these days. Each successive MS attempt to force crap down our throats just further incentivizes me.
Kissaki@feddit.org 5 months ago
“With Gaming Copilot (Beta)” you can let the AI play the games for you. /s 🤡
acosmichippo@lemmy.world 5 months ago
you say that like people don’t watch playthroughs on youtube and twitch.
Kissaki@feddit.org 5 months ago
All with your permission and built upon the security of Windows 11.
So I can decline. Good.
You’re always in control of what Copilot Actions can do. Copilot Actions is turned off by default and you’re able to pause, take control or disable it at any time.
PancakesCantKillMe@lemmy.world 5 months ago
…until we turn it back on for you during any minor update.
acosmichippo@lemmy.world 5 months ago
that wouldn’t be “turned off by default”.
ook@discuss.tchncs.de 5 months ago
Fourth and finally, it should be able to destroy your corporeal form and live on as digital-you liking your aunt’s dog pictures on Instagram and writing Facebook posts about immigrants taking our jobs, with just as many creative slura as you would use.
Flocklesscrow@lemmy.zip 5 months ago
Take action on my behalf? Absolutely not. Go fuck yourself AI.