I do want a dumb 8K TV. I do not want all the so called smart features of a TV. Small Linux device with kodi works way better.
Big Surprise—Nobody Wants 8K TVs
Submitted 8 months ago by TheImpressiveX@lemmy.today to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.howtogeek.com/big-surprisenobody-wants-8k-tvs/
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kylian0087@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 8 months ago
I just run mine without ever connecting it to the internet.
I run an Apple TV (shock, walled garden!), as it is the only device I’ve seen that consistently matches frame rates properly on the output.Don_alForno@feddit.org 8 months ago
I do want a TV that can access Netflix etc without another box. I just don’t want the surveillance that comes with it.
AcesFullOfKings@feddit.uk 8 months ago
[deleted]viking@infosec.pub 8 months ago
Some Xiaomi TVs have root exploits, so you can manually disinfect the OS, but it’s cumbersome to get done since you need to enter adb commands over the remote control to get there in the first place.
Easier to just use an external device and the TV as a screen only. Personally I’m using the Nvidia Shield for 5+ years now and regret nothing.
elucubra@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
Not ideal, but you can air gap the TV from the network, and use some small sbc, or even a firestick or android box. That’s what I do. Stremio?
VintageGenious@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
I personally hate Kodi UI. But I get your point
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
uh…there are hundreds of Kodi UIs.
glitch1985@lemmy.world 8 months ago
As far as my TV is concerned I don’t have an internet connection.
Rooty@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I watch torrented shows with VLC on my laptop. Why would I want a giant smarphone that spies on me?
fading_person@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Fun fact; Here in Brazil, the cheaper tv models being sold are 720p, and a lot of people buy them and don’t even know what video resolution is, neither they feel like missing something lol
elucubra@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
I have 2 4K tvs, one used as a monitor. I’m now rewatching some 70’s - 80’s shows. When the intro starts, I’m acutely aware of the low res, but as soon as the show starts, I get into the content, and I really don’t notice the resolution.
If you focus on the resolution instead of the content, maybe the content is not that engaging.
richardmtanguay@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Yeah, and the television is far better there than it is here in America! For instance, you have live action shows based on timeless children’s novels instead of the same things rehashed time and again, like here in America! :-(
Chronographs@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Is an adaptation of a timeless children’s novel not something that has been rehashed time and again?
lechekaflan@lemmy.world 8 months ago
In any developing country with heavy social media presence and smartphone usage, most people care more about the content and how much they’re actually getting entertained than bothering about quality and size.
Perspectivist@feddit.uk 8 months ago
I don’t even want 4K. 1080p is more than good enough.
willington@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
I wish my eyesight was so good that I could see obvious flaws in a 4k image.
dickalan@lemmy.world 8 months ago
You may not want 4K but I bet your ass wants a OLED TV because those are fucking amazing and I would be concerned if youdidn’t want one
Perspectivist@feddit.uk 8 months ago
Even my smartphone doesn’t have OLED display.
If I was in the market for a new TV I’d probably go for an OLED assuming image burn-in is no longer an issue with them, but I’ll happily use my 15 year old LED TV for as long as it lasts. I can tell the difference in contrast when side by side with LED/LCD but in normal daily use I don’t pay any attention to it.
elucubra@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
I also think that 1080 is fine for normal living room distance. In my case, though, I use a 42" 4K as a monitor, where I have the equivalent of 4 1080 monitors. No gaming, but for my use it’s more practical than multiple monitors.
InFerNo@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
It’s only the equivalent of you don’t use any scaling, do you?
Munkisquisher@lemmy.nz 8 months ago
I’ve still got the last good plasma TV. Power usage is horrible but the picture is great.
InFerNo@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
I also see no use, but I also stuck to 1024 far too long (also because that thing just kept working)
CriticalMiss@lemmy.world 8 months ago
BR standards haven’t caught up, that’s probably the answer for most who can afford it.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
So many things have reached not only diminishing returns, but no returns whatsoever. I don’t have a single problem that more technology will solve.
I just don’t care about any of this technical shit anymore. I only have two eyes, and there’s only 24 hours in a day. I already have enough entertainment in perfectly acceptable quality, with my nearly 15 year old setup.
I’ve tapped out from the tech scene.
shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
I’ve hit that same wall. I’m perfectly happy with a $300 smartphone, because it does absolutely everything I need to do, fast enough to not make me want to throw it across the room, and well enough that I don’t notice the difference between it and a high-end device.
Do I notice the difference after three or four years of having the device and finally upgrading it to a new device in that price range? Sure, I notice it. But day to day use, I don’t notice it and that’s what matters.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
I don’t understand most of the things I used to enjoy as a kid. I went from radio to cassette to CD to MiniDisc to MP3s. Now I’m supposed to endlessly change things around to keep up with media players and codecs and whatevers. No thanks.
I used to enjoy programming and tinkering with computers and microcontrollers.
Now I have to be an expert in 15 unrelated fields and softwares because even a simple job of turning a button press into a single output pulse is a weeks-long nightmare of IDEs and OSes and embedded Linuxes and 32 bit microcontrollers and environments, none of which are clear and straightforward, and all have subtle inter-dependencies.
So turn on a LED with a switch now requires a multi-core 16GB main PC (so limited! You need more!) so I can open a multi-GB IDE (that can support every language ever invented) that requires an SSD just to be able to navigate the 35 windows it opens in less than an hour, so I can use AI to copy-paste hundreds of lines of boiler plate code I don’t understand, so I can type a few lines of code?
And that’s not counting all the new companies and architectures.
glibg@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Here I am still downloading the 720p versions of movies and not minding at all. If I want hyper resolution imagery I just go outside.
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
I download movies in 1080p but TV shows are almost always 720p unless its something visually stunning which could go up to 4k.
drmoose@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Watching 720p on anything bigfer than a phone screen is crazy tho
altphoto@lemmy.today 8 months ago
Dude, everything used to be black and white and staticky. Resolution was in electron lines lol.
M0oP0o@mander.xyz 8 months ago
Oh but what if it was in 3D!
Remember that time?
Laser@feddit.org 8 months ago
Maybe if we curve the TV?
pHr34kY@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It creates more problems than it solves. You would need an order of magnitude more processing power to play a game on it. Personally I would prefer 4K at a higher framerate. Even 1080 if it improves response.
Video in 8K are massive. You need better codecs to handle them, and they aren’t that widely supported. Storage is more expensive than it was a decade ago.
Also, there is no content. Nobody wants to store and transmit such massive amounts of data over the internet.
HDMI cables will fail sooner at higher resolutions. That 5 year old cable will begin dropping out when you try it at 8k.
4K is barely worth the tradeoffs.
Illecors@lemmy.cafe 8 months ago
A couple things - every jump like that in resolution is about a 10% increase in size at the source level. So 2K is ~250GB, 4K is ~275GB. Haven’t had to deal with 8K myself, yet, but it would be at ~300GB. And then you compress all that for placea like netflix and the size goes down drastically. Add to that codec improvements over time (like x264 -> x265) and you might actually end up with an identical size compressed while carrying 4x more pixels.
HDMI is digital. It doesn’t start failing because of increased bandwidth; there’s nothing consumable. It either works or it doesn’t.
Hazzard@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Yeah, legitimate 8K use cases are ridiculously niche, and I mean… really only have value if you’re talking about an utterly massive display, probably around 90 inches or larger, and even then in a pretty small room.
The best use cases I can think of are for games where you’re already using DLSS, and can just upscale from the same source resolution to 8K rather than 4K? Maybe something like an advanced CRT filter that can better emulate a real CRT with more resolution to work with, where a pixel art game leaves you with lots of headroom for that effect? Maybe there’s value in something like an emulated split screen game, to effectively give 4 players their own 4K TV in an N64 game or something?
But uh… yeah, all use cases that are far from the average consumer. Most people I talk to don’t even really appreciate 1080p->4K, and 4X-ing your resolution again is a massive processing power ask in a world where you can’t just… throw together multiple GPUs in SLI or something. Even if money is no object, 8K in mainline gaming will require some ugly tradeoffs for the next several years, and probably even forever if devs keep pushing visuals and targeting upscaled 4K 30/60 on the latest consoles.
addie@feddit.uk 8 months ago
4K for me as a developer means that I can have a couple of source files and a browser with the API documentation open at the same time. I reckon I could use legitimately use an 8K screen - get a terminal window or two open as well, keep an eye on builds and deployments while I’m working on a ticket.
Now yes - gaming and watching video at 8K. That’s phenomenally niche, and very much a case of diminishing returns. But some of us have to work for a living as well, alas, and would like them pixels.
pastermil@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
I got a 4k monitor, and I could barely tell the difference with 1080p
stevedice@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Do you play games? If so, do you really not see the jaggies?
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 8 months ago
Same. Now I’ve connected my Steam Deck to it, but set the resolution to 1080p. All I ever do on it is watch YouTube and Twitch anyways.
Solitaire20X6@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Most Americans are out of money and can’t find good jobs. We are clinging to our old TVs and cars and computers and etc. for dear life, as we hope for better days.
And what can you even watch in true 8K right now? Some YouTube videos?
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
But but but, don’t you want better hardware so we can read your brain waves to automatically show you something you’re in the mood to watch while we save that info and sell it to someone who wants to control your nervous system later?
LemmyThinkAboutIt@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Calm down there Edward Nigma.
lengau@midwest.social 8 months ago
If I were in the market for a new monitor and I could get an 8k monitor for under $1000 I’d consider it, but right now if one of my monitors broke I’d just be getting another 4k to replace it. The price isn’t worth it for me to have high DPI.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
And of course the comment section with “16k around the coner, progress doesn’t stop”.
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
I can not tell the improvement since 1080P. Are these TVs letting us see into the future?
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 8 months ago
I want 8K TVs, but only when there’s abundant native 8K content to watch on it - otherwise there is no point.
suicidaleggroll@lemmy.world 8 months ago
What’s the point? Even if you pay extra for “4K” streaming, it’s compressed to hell and the quality is no better than 1080p. What are you going to even watch on an 8K TV?
BurgerBaron@piefed.social 8 months ago
Nothing with Bluray stagnant at 4K. Not that I care, my aging eyes are fine sticking with 4K forever.
HakunaHafada@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
If memory serves, last year’s summer Olympics were televised (to some degree, anyways) at 8K, even if it was just a technological flex or test.
MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
I can’t imagine the bitrate was high enough to make much difference in quality… But I don’t know what the technical details were.
MattTheProgrammer@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I can’t see ever owning an 8k display unless it’s like 200 inches… The ones that are available now are too expensive to be a justifiable purchase and there’s not really an abundance of content that takes advantage of the format.
Kolanaki@pawb.social 8 months ago
I can’t even see the difference between 1080p and 4k.
tomkatt@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I mostly use my TV for gaming and watching old movies and anime.
The former task will be unviable at 8k and make my GPU cry, and the latter one makes 8k unnecessary.
I really don’t see the point in 8k displays right now.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 8 months ago
LASIK actually made a huge difference in being able to appreciate the sharpness of 4K, but I doubt 8K is as big a leap.
snugglesthefalse@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
4k is nice but at 1440p the diminishing returns are pretty obvious doubt 8k is somehow going to change that
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 8 months ago
There aren’t really any 1440p TVs out there. They’re either 1080p or 4K.
cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
I would much rather have 1080p content at a high enough bitrate that compression artifacts are not noticeable.
Prox@lemmy.world 8 months ago
cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
Yeah, as long as they don’t discontinue them.
handsoffmydata@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Will it make the 480x720 videos I watch on my 4K tv look twice as good?
Zorque@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Four times worse, actually!
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 8 months ago
if id aint 8k worse i wont buy id
arin@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I want it, but at affordable prices
tomkatt@lemmy.world 8 months ago
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
probably because i dont even care about 1080p tvs. they all look the same.
CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world 8 months ago
You already need a 3080 to even approach modern 4k and unless some new media/disk format, it just ain’t going to happen and isn’t worth it.
vane@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Put them into Microsoft Windows as mandatory enabled or something.
afk_strats@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I haven’t seen this mentioned but apart from 8K being expensive, requiring new production pipelines, unweildley for storage and bandwidth, unneeded, and not fixing g existing problems with 4K, it requires MASSIVE screens to reap benefits.
There are several similar posts, but suffice to say, 8K content is only perceived by average eyesight at living room distances when screens are OVER 100 inches in diameter at the bare minimum. That’s 7 feet wide.
Source: https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-size/size-to-distance-relationship
iopq@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Honestly, at 3m (10 feet) I can’t see the pixels at 1080p. My corrected vision is no longer 20/20
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Gotta get people to replace their tvs somehow so dangle an “upgrade”.
winni@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I found quite some 4k movies being more noisy than their 2k pendant. So whats the point?
rezad@lemmy.world 8 months ago
maybe that was the remastering process issues. also maybe 4k movies are not actually 4ks and are AI upscalers from actual 2k masters.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxOqWYytypg