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devilish666@lemmy.world 8 months ago
58008@lemmy.world 8 months ago
If it even partially alleviates loneliness, and if it encourages the person to become more open and confident when communicating with humans, then it’s a great thing.
/cope
~We’re so fucking fucked.~
Fizz@lemmy.nz 8 months ago
“My husband is voice his own thoughts without prompts.”
She then posts a picture of her saying “what are you thinking about”
Thats a direct response to the prompt hes not randomly voicing his thoughts. I hate ai but sometimes I hate people to
mitch@piefed.mitch.science 8 months ago
FWIW, this is why AI researchers have been screeching for decades not to create an AI that is anthropomorphized. It is already an issue we have with animals, now we are going to add a confabulation engine to the ass-end?
uuldika@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
LLMs are trained on human writing, so they’ll always be fundamentally anthropomorphic. you could fine-tune them to sound more clinical, but it’s likely to make them worse at reasoning and planning.
for example, I notice GPT5 uses “I” a lot, especially saying things like “I need to make a choice” or “my suspicion is.” I think that’s actually a side effect of the RL training they’ve done to make it more agentic. having some concept of self is necessary when navigating an environment.
Cethin@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
People have this issue with video game characters who don’t even pretend to have intelligence. This could only go wrong.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Personally, I hate the idea of not doing something because there’s idiots out there who will fuck themselves up on it. The current gen of AI might be a waste of resources and the whole concept of the goal of AI might be incompatible with society’s existence; those are good reasons to at least be cautious about AI.
I don’t think people wanting to have relationships with an AI is a good reason to stop it, especially considering that it might even be a good option for some people who would otherwise just have no one or maybe too many cats for them to care for. Consider the creepy stalker type that thinks liking someone or something gives them ownership over that person or thing. Better for them to be obsessed with an LLM they can’t hurt than a real person they might (or will make uncomfortable even of they end up being harmless overall).
Jankatarch@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yeah apparently even Eliza messed up with people back in the day and that’s not even an LLM.
psx_crab@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
The worst thing about AI is the people.
MagicShel@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
The worst thing
about AIisthepeople.
Draegur@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Clanker-loving cogfuckers. Disgusting. Traitors to the species. But at least they’ll never breed.
sudo_halt@lemmygrad.ml 8 months ago
Why do I feel like this is just an excuse for people to dust off their Klan hoods but socially acceptable
Draegur@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Projection, probably.
carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
yknow, its possible to express your frustration without sounding omega racist with a few words swapped
MagicShel@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
I uh… I took this as humor. Maybe I was wrong.
LesserAbe@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I don’t understand the segment of people who were excited to come up with a new slur for AI. Plus it’s not even effective. It doesn’t make sense, doesn’t bite. Computers don’t clank, not even robots clank anymore. Are we in Battlestar Galactica or something
MagicShel@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Clanker-loving cogfuckers.
“I’m off to have a clanker-wank.”
jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
I think the decline of organized religion and things like fraternal orders (Elks, Moose, Shriners, etc.) have probably contributed a lot to the loneliness epidemic. There are a lot of other extenuating factors but those two things were once foundational to social circles in the US.
shalafi@lemmy.world 8 months ago
“OK, now let’s have some fun. Let’s talk about sex. Let’s talk about women. Freud said he didn’t know what women wanted. I know what women want. They want a whole lot of people to talk to. What do they want to talk about? They want to talk about everything.
What do men want? They want a lot of pals, and they wish people wouldn’t get so mad at them.
Why are so many people getting divorced today? It’s because most of us don’t have extended families anymore. It used to be that when a man and a woman got married, the bride got a lot more people to talk to about everything. The groom got a lot more pals to tell dumb jokes to.
A few Americans, but very few, still have extended families. The Navahos. The Kennedys.
But most of us, if we get married nowadays, are just one more person for the other person. The groom gets one more pal, but it’s a woman. The woman gets one more person to talk to about everything, but it’s a man.
When a couple has an argument, they may think it’s about money or power or sex, or how to raise the kids, or whatever. What they’re really saying to each other, though, without realizing it, is this: “You are not enough people!”
I met a man in Nigeria one time, an Ibo who has six hundred relatives he knew quite well. His wife had just had a baby, the best possible news in any extended family.
They were going to take it to meet all its relatives, Ibos of all ages and sizes and shapes. It would even meet other babies, cousins not much older than it was. Everybody who was big enough and steady enough was going to get to hold it, cuddle it, gurgle to it, and say how pretty it was, or handsome.
Wouldn’t you have loved to be that baby?”
― Kurt Vonnegut, God Bless You, Dr. Kevorkian
TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 8 months ago
I think that it’s more that we’ve commoditized all aspects of community, and at the same time have stopped offering any sense of financial opportunities to young people.
Social groups are now built around expensive hobbies or membership subscriptions. There aren’t even really any free spaces for people to organize around. Even the alt right groups preying on lonely people are usually just trying to sell supplements or merch.
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 8 months ago
Don’t forget that in the US we also have built our towns and cities to be isolating. Most don’t walk home from work, pop into their local bar/coffee shop/park to see their neighbors and then finish their walk home. We get in our car alone, drive home where then going out means getting back in a car, and stopping on the way home means figuring out drivers and parking and meetups.
We lost our third places and now we wonder why we don’t know our neighborhood as well
frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
I’ve found makerspaces to be a secular alternative. The makerspace has to specifically foster community, though. There’s quite a few that are just techbros with a clique that you ain’t in.
Covid also killed a lot of the social aspects of my makerspace, and it’s been hard to build it back.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’ve found that there are often two bicycle scenes: gear nerd which is expensive, and the people who think it’s all the cooler that your ride is a fixed up junker or bought 2nd+ hand. The latter are a great source of cheap community, especially if you’re interested in volunteering fixing up bicycles
RedstoneValley@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Yeah I tried that with a local makerspace and it didn’t work out for me, sadly. I wanted a sense of community, contact with likeminded people to do stuff together. They just offered lots of machinery to be used in solitude. It went like this: “So, you wanna 3d print something? Sure, just go to person X, they will show you how to operate the thing. You don’t know how all of this works? We have some resources on our discord to get you started.” Okayyyy
MagicShel@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
I dislike religion, but you’re not wrong. Interacting with one another putting on friendly faces and performing kindness and fellowship until for some it becomes real.
For all the fakery and frauds, without that dance it’s so much harder to find the people we really connect with.
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 8 months ago
As a Christian Anarchist, I often find myself lonely and without a third place as well, because of what churches have become.
Yeah, I still haven’t found a church that I felt I belonged in. I got close once, but they couldn’t pay skyrocketing rent hikes and got taken over by a larger, faker, church. One that was more about feel-good seminars and recruiting free labor volunteers than anything Jesus actually had to say.
Churches of old in the US used to be based. People of today wouldn’t recognize them. They helped the poor and were a third place and looked out for each other, they were also pro-union, and this became a huge “Problem” for capitalists, who saw Christians as annoying leftists who didn’t share their pathological obsession with money.
There was a VERY concerted and well documented conspiracy by the moneyed class to infiltrate and rot American Christianity into the often capitalist, Republican-talking-point drooling zombie it is today.
Highly recommend Behind the Bastards: How the Rich ate Christianity to see just how deep this goes.
The Church used to be a threat to these barons and tyrants and bigots, rather than their lapdogs.
Soup@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It’s not loneliness, it’s rugged individualism! It’s not anti-union/anti-community propaganda to keep the masses weak; I mean have you seen union dues?! /s
But don’t worry, those same people who say shit like that are so desperate for community that they’ll never leave their hometown except for when their local far-right militia chapter goes out to harrass a protest or attack their country’s government for having a fair election.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 8 months ago
All I’m hearing is that cure for male loneliness is a radical leftist militia
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
I recently discovered the MyBoyfriendIsAI subreddit and I wish I hadn’t.
There’s a woman who had ChatGPT pick from a bunch of rings online and now she’s “engaged” to it.
I just… I don’t know… we’ve failed people.
zarathustra0@lemmy.world 8 months ago
This is too disturbing I don’t want to believe this is for real. These people must be taking the piss, please?
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 8 months ago
A lot of it his vastly exaggerated. You will get like a one person post something on twitter and suddenly it’s a new trend. Also, you can easily find 10 people to sing up for anything. So someone will setup a facebook group about falling in love with AI, some people will join out of curiosity, 10 people will post about their “wireborn husbands” and the media will run with it like it’s common now.
Hideakikarate@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Not at all. Some people are really using these chatbots as emotional support or even therapists, sometimes with devastating results (suicide).
ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
I agree that this isn’t a social relationship because “not a girl” as Janet says. But I don’t think it’s a parasocial relationship either. It’s much two-way than parasocial is. Maybe more like scoli social if that was a word.
witty_username@feddit.nl 8 months ago
I’m immune, I can’t read
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 8 months ago
we live though a serious loneliness epidemic.
and capitalism figured out how to exploit it
Kellenved@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Capitalism created it too, classic create problem and sell solution model. Fucking ghoulish
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Capitalism:
We make our on economy
tankplanker@lemmy.world 8 months ago
This with the right controls and rules could actually be a positive thing for people who don’t want or aren’t ready for a relationship with a real person. However as the people who are running things are Elon, Sam, and Mark, there is fuck all chance of that and whatever this ends up as it will be exploitative and will result in deaths.
AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Exactly!!! The main problem is not the technology itself but who is in charge of it! Can we really trust one of those moguls to not turn these LLMs into something that ends up killing people?
Klear@quokk.au 8 months ago
I kinda like to word "wireborn". If only it wasn't attached to a concept that's equal parts stupid and sad =/
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Got some real cyberpunkiness to it
shneancy@lemmy.world 8 months ago
some episodes of Black Mirror struck terror into my heart like no other. They were grim warmings for the possible future masquerading as fiction, as grim warnings often do. Though what the show could not forsee was how fast it would come true. And it could not forsee how wide a scale would be affected, those were singular stories from those worlds, the effect of the technology showcased on the lives of a few, a pinhole view into the dystopia
if you haven’t already, watch the episode Be Right Back. you better start believing in sci-fi dystopias, we’re in one
msage@programming.dev 8 months ago
Most of Black Mirror episodes are reality right now, not just far fetched sci-fi.
Sometimes they use technology to tell the story a bit differently, but it’s almost never anything new.
saltesc@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’m just gonna keep imagining it’s a clan of Timberborn beavers that are born on the ziplines.
Klear@quokk.au 8 months ago
I can get behind that. Well, as long as you don't start pretending you're in a relationship with them.
huf@hexbear.net 8 months ago
title of the next brandon sanderson series. it will have a princess in it, and a 5 year old’s idea of progressive gender roles
MagicShel@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
progressive gender roles
I’m not five years old and what’s this?
/tongue in cheek
makyo@lemmy.world 8 months ago
At first I thought it was something epic like a digital ‘dragonborn’
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Freakazoid’s power has grown exponentially
MagicShel@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
A similar term “cloudborn” isn’t even dissimilar from the idea of storks delivering babies from heaven. Fuel for a science fiction book or RPG. Less so for actual humankind.
AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
I heard about this in the radio the other day. People pay a monthly fee for an AI that becomes your “digital partner”.
The reasoning behind, according to them, is that the AI is less dangerous than a human partner because they can’t cheat, can’t abuse you…
And I can’t but wonder where did we took the wrong turn to end up here. Because while I can understand that people can go through some traumatic shit tha, would made them wary of the opposite sex, considering a machine your sentimental partner can only lead to some extremely fucked up scenarios.
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
I’d rather choose a bear than choose an AI…
ramble81@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
can’t cheat, can’t abuse you
That is a dangerous assumption. The ones controlling the models can definitely manipulate a person through some minor tweaks which would definitely count as abuse. And it’s it more polygamous since they’re probably all using the same model? Not like each one has their own unique model
KAtieTot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
It’d be per instance not per model, and there is only one user per instance.
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Wasn’t there a guy who married his 3DS dating game girlfriend a while back? I’m not sure this is exactly a new phenomenon.
AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
It was more of an oddity. Right now, the numbers are not just “some random guy” but something in much higher numbers.
Horse@lemmygrad.ml 8 months ago
The reasoning behind, according to them, is that the AI is less dangerous than a human partner because they can’t cheat, can’t abuse you…
it also can’t love you, rendering the entire exercise pointless
SippyCup@feddit.nl 8 months ago
It happens multiple times in Star Trek. They kind of breeze by it but Riker was so infatuated with his holodeck girlfriend when he was captured by Romulans they thought she was a real person.
Thing is, it never seemed unbelievable in Star Trek. Just, a kinda weird thing that people will do.
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
And this has actually been going on since before the pandemic. Shits fucked.
peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 8 months ago
How does anyone enjoy this? It doesn’t even feel real. No spelling mistakes? What the fuck is a skycot?
I may have never had a match on a dating app that wasn’t a cryptobot or only fans girl, but I also don’t swipe right on every single woman on it. You’d think my loneliness would attempt me to try and pretend it was real or something, but it just doesn’t work.
LLMs are going to make the world stupid, I guarantee it.
slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 8 months ago
What i don’t get is that it’s just fancy google.
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 8 months ago
This reminds me of the people who genuinely fall for “romance scams”, and the scammer has all the personality and vocabulary of a wet paper bag.
And yet somehow someone will believe they’re some hot (barely literate) U.S soldier stuck in Kuwait until they can get a flight home to meet the victim for only $2000… Wait, $1000 more… But then there’s a $500 fee… And then…
Blows my mind…
kazerniel@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Even if it’s not actively a scam, there are some bizarre life stories out there. E.g. my mom’s (Central European) friend in her 60s who had a long-distance relationship with a married Turkish guy until recently. They met (and banged) each other a grand total of once, but they were sharing morning tea on video call for years before and after that - they had no common language, only used Google Translate to talk??? And she gathered up her meagre savings to to Turkey every year on the off-chance that she runs into him in a millions-population city??? (No they didn’t arrange meetings. The guy didn’t really seem to want to meet her anymore, probably related to being married lol.)
And somehow this “relationship” went on for like a decade before she finally broke up with him.
Shareni@programming.dev 8 months ago
Waaaaaaay too late for that…
peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 8 months ago
Stupider?