The founder of Brave browser got fired from Firefox because he was homophobic
Brave browser blocks Windows feature that takes screenshots of everything you do on your PC
Submitted 8 months ago by moe90@feddit.nl to technology@lemmy.world
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BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 8 months ago
articulatedstupidity@lemmy.cafe 8 months ago
This still doesn’t make brave a good privacy browser in the long run
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 8 months ago
I used some stuff to block my location and windows recall BECAUSE FUCK YOU MICROSOFT!
TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 8 months ago
there are 100% fed backdoors for looking in your pc in Windows
Gemini24601@lemmy.world 8 months ago
You can’t block all of Windows spyware. The best case of action would be to install an alternative operating system like Linux or a BSD-derivative. It’s counter-intuitive to “fuck Microsoft” when you are still using their OS.
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 8 months ago
I wonder why the fuck is am taking so long to do it…
3dcadmin@lemmy.relayeasy.com 8 months ago
Now whilst I enjoy all the comments I actually have to add something quickly that explains why this kind of thing happens. I recently worked with a rather old lady to find out why she was having so many issues with technology and stuff. I found out that when she started work in 1986 she was told that the shared password in her department at the local hospital was “password” and so she has used that on everything she can since to remember it… other gems that they used on whole departments included “qwerty” and “123456” and the best one of all “letmeinnow”. On whole shared networks of 100+ machines…
NoodlePoint@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Simplewall allows direct control of internet access of any program and app; you can block CoPilot from accessing the internet.
noxypaws@pawb.social 8 months ago
yeah but it’s run by an active opponent of LGBT folks
kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
3dcadmin@lemmy.relayeasy.com 8 months ago
BUT… most people really don’t care about that, they just want to remove ads from facebook or youtube or whatever…
My clients couldn’t care less about what the CEO does, heck they still think facebook is the dogs danglies and youtube is cutting edge plus Netflix is the best streaming service.
Fighting that is way harder than then trying to explain that some software is worse than others. Heck plenty still use Photoshop because they don’t understand that alternatives exist and “everyone at work uses it”
flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Let me know when it is discovered that they in fact replaced MS Recall with their own version that was scraping your data in yet another sketchy attempt to make money.
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Just avoid using an “AI” cpu.
Booboofinget@lemmy.world 8 months ago
All I have to say is I hope this catches on with other browsers.
MysteriousSophon21@lemmy.world 8 months ago
This is about the Smart App Control feature in Win11 that takes screenshots periodically to check for “malicious activity”. its basically a glorified keylogger built into the OS. Firefox should really follow suit and block this too.
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
Holy shit, what a comment!
This is about the Smart App Control
It’s not, it’s about Recall.
that takes screenshots periodically to check for “malicious activity”
It doesn’t. Smar App Control does code validation and reputation check. Recall makes screenshots, OCR’s them and keeps them in an encrypted vault for the user to interact with.
built into the OS
It’s not, you can turn both off at any time.
its basically a glorified keylogger
It’s not, it fundamentally is NOT, because it doesn’t log any keystrokes. SAC isn’t even in the picture here, while Recall literally only makes screenshots, runs OCR and encrypts that.
Fuck me, where do you people get this bullshit from? It used to be “oh no, Microsoft will be making screenshots of your activity and sending them to their servers” not so long ago which, while still bullshit, was at least in the same ballpark as what Recall does.
Now you’re throwing SAC into the mix somehow?
silasmariner@programming.dev 8 months ago
I worry that the prevalence of ill-informed hot-takes dilutes the validity of complaints, and I appreciate your work here
Tattorack@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The better option would be to not use spyware as an operating system.
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
Do you consider any form of telemetry “spyware”?
Tattorack@lemmy.world 8 months ago
You consider actual, literal spyware as being merely telemetry?
Fijxu@programming.dev 8 months ago
I don’t think taking screenshots of everything you do every few seconds is telemetry.
WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Honestly it largely is.
Personally I like sharing crash reports, but even then, the user should be able to turn that off if you like.
Telemetry should be 100% opt-in.
sfjvvssss@lemmy.world 8 months ago
In this thread something I see a lot on lemmy is happening. Maybe someone can give me a hint on how that happens. The post itself is 90% upvotes, while the comment section is really anti-Brave (for good reasons). Do most upvotes come from people scrolling through without looking at the comment section and those with an opinion on the topic dive into it?
MaXsteri@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I upvote the post because I support the feature, and would like to see more browsers implement more privacy focused features.
I upvote the anti-Brave comments, because fuck Brave.
Demdaru@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It seems to me most people simply upvote the post to reward OP for bringing things up, exposing etc. Comments serve opinions on the topic itself, but upvote/downvote is more for if it’s good according to community rules and if the topic itself is interesting.
Atomic@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Most people never bother to read anything beyond the title of the post. Let alone click the link to the article.
Now, i don’t know how everyone sees up/down votes. But I always thought that content and comments that is relevant and promotes discussion is good. And comments that aren’t are bad.
Rather than a measure of others opinions.
nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
people just scroll around up voting headlines that they think sound good
Trihilis@ani.social 8 months ago
The post itself is reasonable quality and informative so I find it upvote worthy. If a post is low quality or a shit post then I downvote.
To me the karma system is about quality. Not an “I agree/disagree” button.
For comments I only down vote obvious trolls, bigots/racism etc.
JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
To me the karma system is about quality. Not an “I agree/disagree” button.
That’s how it was meant to be. The original Rediquette from over 15 years ago has:
“Vote. If you think something contributes to conversation, upvote it. If you think it does not contribute to the subreddit it is posted in or is off-topic in a particular community, downvote it.
[Please don’t] Downvote an otherwise acceptable post because you don’t personally like it. Think before you downvote and take a moment to ensure you’re downvoting someone because they are not contributing to the community dialogue or discussion. If you simply take a moment to stop, think and examine your reasons for downvoting, rather than doing so out of an emotional reaction, you will ensure that your downvotes are given for good reasons.”But 99% of people definitely use them as an Agree/Disagree button.
macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The problem is that people routinely upvote bullshit, falsehoods, and flat out disinformation. Just because it was well written does not make it true.
onnekas@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
Well, one could argue if just posting a link with a title is a ‘quality’ post. But the topic is still worth a discussion so I don’t see why it should be downvoted.
onnekas@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
I think you should not downvote a post you have a negative opinion about. If the post is worth to discuss then why should I not upvote the post and then say that I disagree in the comments. If we all down vote those posts nobody will see it (apart of those who sort by controversial) and there will discussion.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
If the software in question is bad, then I’d like to reduce visibility of the post while explaining why in the comments.
Brave is connected to the BAT pay-to-surf scam. Its CEO donates to homophobic causes.
FarraigePlaisteach@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’ve noticed this on political posts too, among others and I’ve wondered the same thing.
Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
I upvote posts that I think are worth being seen by more people. That includes posts about topics that I don’t like or agree with, but think people need to know is happening and I think to know that are not including disinformation or misinformation or opinion written as facts.
3dcadmin@lemmy.relayeasy.com 8 months ago
I still have literally thousands of clients that use Windows and want support… for these kinds of things. Firefox has recently stopped working on a few things and Brave works better for me right now. It’s not convenience when FF doesn’t work…
But I digress, Win 11 here and Brave. My choices, for lots of reasons. Lots of linux boxes as well though. Each to their own and all thatGeodad@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Linux blocks that “feature” too…
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
What feature?? Recall? That’s Windows 11-specific and hasn’t even launched yet??
bytesonbike@discuss.online 8 months ago
I love this comment so much
Syltti@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The joke is that Linux blocks this by not doing it at all. Which is why people should switch to Linux. Which is a good idea. But that’s up to the people.
arararagi@ani.social 8 months ago
Sometimes bad people do good things.
Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
I would not call brave good…
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Brave browser blocks Windows feature that takes screenshots of everything you do on your PC
As does Linux.
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
OK, you need to explain to me how tf does Linux block something that works only on Windows.
bytesonbike@discuss.online 8 months ago
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
No Windows, no such Windows “features”.
Krudler@lemmy.world 8 months ago
You use Linux? Here take this you’ve earned it 🍪
pirat@lemmy.world 8 months ago
What if they always decline cookies? Or is this cookie one of those necessary ones?
rozodru@lemmy.world 8 months ago
yeah, no, i’m not using your shitty browser.
Electricd@lemmybefree.net 8 months ago
It’s probably the best chromium browser out there
Firefox has done shit too
sadly we don’t have a lot of choice, but they’re one of the least worse
rozodru@lemmy.world 8 months ago
sure there are choices. I don’t use ether. if you believe there are only 2 choices out there…man you have no idea.
kadup@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Firefox has done shit too
Firefox has injected my URLs with affiliate codes?
Dojan@pawb.social 8 months ago
Just don’t use Chromium unless you for some reason absolutely have to. Mozilla is just another corporation, but they’re not exactly threatening to monopolise the internet. Google is, and using Chromium directly aids in their effort to do so.
vzqq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
But it’s funded by an unrepentant homophobe! How can you pass on that?!
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 8 months ago
An unrepentant homophobe who accused people who dislike him for his homophobic views/actions as being closed-minded and bigoted for disliking him over it.
You can’t make this shit up
SpaceScotsman@startrek.website 8 months ago
They haven’t blocked the windows feature, they’re using DRM to interfere with it. Microsoft could easily change how the DRM works any time they want, rendering all these hacks useless.
Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
They could, but Disney…
thevoidzero@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Exactly, how do you even fight with the OS except just making it bit hard for them lol. You have to tell the OS what pixels to put in the screen, there’s literally no way you can hide things from the OS if they want to know.
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
People, ynless they are at work, can choose to use Linux any time. I will personally assist if needed.
moe90@feddit.nl 8 months ago
then people can complained it on Brave Github or their official forum and it will be fixed by their team
SpaceScotsman@startrek.website 8 months ago
My point was that brave’s solution, like Signal’s, is dependent on microsoft playing fair. If microsoft decides they don’t want brave, signal, or anyone else using DRM to interfere with their screen scraping chatbot, there is not going to be an easy way to fix it.
blobchoice@feddit.uk 8 months ago
Unfortunately that would involve using the Brave browser, which is an antifeature in itself.
yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Can you elaborate? I don’t use it.
Electricd@lemmybefree.net 8 months ago
They shit on it because just like Mozilla, they made some shit decision by making some shady partnerships, and because the CEO is transphobic/homophobic/can’t remember
Apart from the usual bullshit and antifeatures it has, it’s still a great browser choice, just like Firefox
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
“Feature”
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 8 months ago
A device that surreptitiously gathers information on a target is called a bug, not a feature.
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
So, you’re saying that browsing history, in literally any browser on the market, is a bug not a feature?
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It’s a good thing that microsoft is trustworthy and you can believe everything they say. And that malware never misuses resources of the system on which it is installed.
jjlinux@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
It’s not a bug, it’s a feature we don’t like 🤣
ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 8 months ago
Well, not really, a bug is unintentional. Even calling it a design flaw is a stretch, it’s a feature that isn’t for your benefit.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 8 months ago
“Bug” also means “listening device.”
peetabix@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
More like malware
aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
yup. how do people continue using Winblows :/
Capricorn_Geriatric@lemmy.world 8 months ago
What a title. Made me think installing the browser blocked the feature machine-wide.
Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Oh so they’re just doing whatever Firefox is doing in private mode on Android that makes screenshots all black
Flukas88@feddit.it 8 months ago
Very brave of them.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 8 months ago
funny thing is ban evaders(the ones that make hundreds of accounts for OF or links) use it for its anti-fingerprinting which is useful against reddit(temporarily)
Electricd@lemmybefree.net 8 months ago
it has better anti fingerprinting than firefox? That’s nice to know
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 8 months ago
oh yea i used pixel scan or something similar, ban evaders use these to check thier browser profile, and it partially shields it.
scroll_responsibly@lemmy.sdf.org 8 months ago
Brave 🤮
Electricd@lemmybefree.net 8 months ago
I mean Mozilla’s Firefox is 🤮 too… there’s no perfect browser
kepix@lemmy.world 8 months ago
nothing is perfect, except the horseshoe crab. however both librewolf and cromite are great with ublock, and ltsc windows has no copilot since companies use that edition.
timewarp@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Brace’s CEO is a homophobic Trump supporter. No thanks.
Treczoks@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The sad thing is that you now have to protect yourself against the OS you are using. Feels a bit like in the movie TRON.
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 8 months ago
You might say that they are being so very… Brave.
🎤 tap tap … is this thing on?
Sivecano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
anarcho-…braveism ???