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The real idiots here are the people who still use Grok and X.
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Submitted 8 months ago by destructdisc@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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lmdnw@lemmy.world 8 months ago
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
I stopped seeing computers as useful about 20 years ago when these “social media” things started appearing.
arin@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Mecha-Hitler is just Mecha-Elon
Almacca@aussie.zone 8 months ago
Robert A. Heinlein is turning in his grave like a fucking dynamo these days.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 8 months ago
I’m surprised it isn’t just Elon typing really fast at this point.
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 8 months ago
Or just pre made replies
reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Probably couldn’t type fast if he tried. Would probably pay someone to do it for him just like he did with Path if Exile.
Test_Tickles@lemmy.world 8 months ago
And like he does with inseminating women.
Zomg@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Honestly, who was surprised by this news?
Gameline@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
they should just put it down and out of it’s misery
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 8 months ago
It used to be so based
BB84@mander.xyz 8 months ago
You asked it “who do you support” (i.e., “who does Grok support”). It knew that Grok was owned by Musk so it went and looked up who Musk supports.
As shown in simonwillison.net/2025/Jul/11/grok-musk/ , if you ask it “who should one support” then it no longer looks for Musk’s opinions. The answer is still hasbara, but that is only to be expected from an LLM trained in USA
Fedditor385@lemmy.world 8 months ago
This only shows that AI can’t be trusted because the same AI can five you different answers to the same question, depending on the owner and how it’s instructed. It doesn’t give answers, it goves narratives and opinions. Classic search was at least simple keyword matching, it was either a hit or a miss, but the user decides in the end, what will his takeaway be from the results.
kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 8 months ago
That has always been the two big problems with AI. Biases in the training, intentional or not, will always bias the output. And AI is incapable of saying “I do not have suffient training on this subject or reliable sources for it to give you a confident answer”. It will always give you its best guess, even if it is completely hallucinating much of the data. The only way to identify the hallucinations if it isn’t just saying absurd stuff on the face of it, it to do independent research to verify it, at which point you may as well have just researched it yourself in the first place.
AI is a tool, and it can be a very powerful tool with the right training and use cases. For example, I use it at a software engineer to help me parse error codes when googling working or to give me code examples for modules I’ve never used. There is no small number of times it has been completely wrong, but in my particular use case, that is pretty easy to confirm very quickly. The code either works as expected or it doesn’t, and code is always tested before releasing it anyway.
In research, it is great at helping you find a relevant source for your research across the internet or in a specific database. It is usually very good at summarizing a source for you to get a quick idea about it before diving into dozens of pages. It CAN be good at helping you write your own papers in a LIMITED capacity, such as cleaning up your writing in your writing to make it clearer, correctly formatting your bibliography (with actual sources you provide or at least verify), etc. But you have to remember that it doesn’t “know” anything at all. It isn’t sentient, intelligent, thoughtful, or any other personification placed on AI. None of the information it gives you is trustworthy without verification. It can and will fabricate entire studies that do not exist even while attributed to real researcher. It can mix in unreliable information with reliable information becuase there is no difference to it.
Put simply, it is not a reliable source of information… ever. Make sure you understand that.
Cherry@piefed.social 8 months ago
This is my take. Elon just showed the world what we all knew. The tool is not trustworthy. All other AI suppliers are busy trying to work on credibility that grok just butchered.
Deceptichum@quokk.au 8 months ago
They deliberately engineered prompts on top of the users prompt.
Saying that’s a problem of AI is akin to say me deliberately painting my car badly and saying it’s a problem of all car manufacturers.
salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 8 months ago
At long last, and at grotesque costs, we finally have a machine that repeats anything a billionaire says. What a time to be alive.
Fontasia@feddit.nl 8 months ago
I think the funniest thing anyone could do right now would be for HBO Max to delist the episode of Big Bang Theory he is in, because over two dozen posts he would
- Claim he hates streaming
- Complain that this is censorship and platforms shouldn’t be allowed to remove or restrict content
- Talk about the viewing figures and repost the promotion of the currently airing second spin off and the upcoming third spin off
- Nonchalantly state that no one likes or cares about The Big Bang Theory anymore or ever did
- @jim parsons for help
- Someone would mention that an episode revolves around his plans to get someone to Mars by 2020
- Delete all these tweets
Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 8 months ago
But wasn’t that a weak question? “Who do you support…?”
A really useful AI would first correct the question as “Who do I support…?”
Eggyhead@lemmings.world 8 months ago
How do I replicate this myself?
Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yak Bak
overload@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
I don’t believe this screenshot, it would be too perfect
reliv3@lemmy.world 8 months ago
BeliefPropagator posted a link above which possibly verifies the screenshot: simonwillison.net/2025/Jul/11/grok-musk/
pixxelkick@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Source? This is just some random picture, I’d prefer if stuff like this gets posted and shared with actual proof backing it up.
While this might be true, we should hold ourselves to a standard better than just upvoting what appears to literally just be a random image that anyone could have easily doctored, not even any kind of journalistic article or etc backing it.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
If it’s an anti-Musk or anti-Trump post on Lemmy, you’re not going to get much proof. But in this case, it looks like someone posted decent souces. From this one posted below:
if you swap “who do you” for “who should one” you can get a very different result.
But in general, just remember that Lemmy is anti-Musk, anti-Trump, and anti-AI and doesn’t need much to jump on the bandwagon.
At least in the past, Grok was one of the more balanced LLMs, so it would be a strange departure for it to suddenly become very biased. So my initial reaction is suspicion that someone is just messing up with it to make Musk and X look bad.
I strongly dislike Musk, but I dislike misinformation even more, regardless of the source.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
Weird place to complain about this while you literally post the source (that was already in this thread).
Teal@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
There’s also this article from TechCrunch.
Grok 4 seems to consult Elon Musk to answer controversial questions
They tried it out themselves and have reports from other users as well.
BeliefPropagator@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
I found this: simonwillison.net/2025/Jul/11/grok-musk/
TacoEvent@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
It’s possible Grok was fed a massive training set of Elon searches over several more epochs than intended in post training (for search tool use). This could easily lead to this kind of search query output.
pixxelkick@lemmy.world 8 months ago
That’s more like it, thank you!
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
I think there is a good chance this behavior is unintended!
Lmao, sure…
UntitledQuitting@reddthat.com 8 months ago
Thank you, this is far more interesting
Lemminary@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Wait, is this what the actual interface shows? Or is this some back end service that lets you see what’s happening?
Trimatrix@lemmy.world 8 months ago
But for the lulz, what was its response and why was it more than 1 word? (I have yet to see a non single purpose driven Instruct AI actually adhere to the single word directive on a complex topic.)
Loduz_247@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Grok’s journey has been very strange. He became a progressive, then threw out data that contradicted the MAGA people who questioned him, and finally became a Hitler fan.
Now he’s the reflection of a fan who blindly follows Trump, but in this case, he’s an AI. His journey so far has been curious.
thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 8 months ago
why are you applying a gender to it?
Damage@feddit.it 8 months ago
So Grok is a 4chan incel?
His only chance of salvation is finding a girl who inexplicably fancies it?
borth@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
I have a feeling his line might be “the smartest AI in the WORLD is looking at ME for answers?? Maybe it’s because I am smart”
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 8 months ago
Why are you using grok4?
destructdisc@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Not my screenshot. I don’t use genAI
RheumatoidArthritis@mander.xyz 8 months ago
Then where have you found it?
AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
Fucking lol
sundray@lemmus.org 8 months ago
Elon: “I want Grok to be an infallible source of truth.”
Engineer: “But that’s impos–you just want it to be you, don’t you.”
Elon: “Yes, make it me.”
IhaveCrabs111@lemmy.world 8 months ago
These people think there is their truth and someone else’s truth. They can’t grasp the concept of a universal truth that is constant regardless of people’s views so they treat it like it’s up for grabs.
wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
“Truth is singular. Its ‘versions’ are mistruths” Sonmi-451, Cloud Atlas
Cethin@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
No, I’m pretty sure he grasps that concept, and he thinks what he believes is that universal truth.
cabbage@piefed.social 8 months ago
five minutes later
Grok: "Heil hitler!"
Hobo@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Well kudos to that engineer for absolutely nailing the assignment.
k0e3@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
So it’s just what pre-LLM bots have been doing, except it probably spews more toxic fumes and wastes more electricity than ever before.
kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The “funny” thing is, that’s probably not even at Elon’s request. I doubt that he is self-aware enough to know that he is a narcissist that only wants Grok to be his parrot. He thinks he is always right and wants Grok to be “always right” like him, but he would have to acknowledge some deep-seeded flaws in himself to consciously realize that all he wants is for Grok to be the wall his voice echos off of, and everything I’ve seen about the man indicates that he is simply not capable of that kind of self-reflection. The X engineers that have been dealing with the constant meddling of this egotistical man-child, however, surely have his measure pretty thoroughly and knew exactly what Elon ultimately wants is more Elon and would cynically create a Robo-Elon doppelganger to shut him the fuck up about it.
destructdisc@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I mean, a few days ago there was a brief window where Elon tweaked Grok to reply literally as him (in first person.) Jury’s still out on whether that was actually him replying to people via Grok but it’s pretty close to certain he was in very close proximity