Grok got a Nazi patch

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• floofloof@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Now I’m the first person to agree that X is a Nazi site run by a Nazi, but it’s conspicuous how the prompts have been removed here. Without the prompts this doesn’t prove much.

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  • IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    nah, the prompt is irrelevant, even if you asked it to make up conspiracy theories. it shouldn’t do that.

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    • Randomgal@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Grok is a tool, not an arbiter of truth. It doesn’t do anything, people use it to do things. The prompt does matter because that shows how it is being used.

      The same way it does matter if you use a hammer to build a chair or break a skull.

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    • RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Shit tool if it doesn’t do what you tell it to do

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• ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  What was the prompt? I’m not going to be outraged if it have you Holocaust-denier talking points after you asked for Holocaust-denier talking points, even thought ideally it wouldn’t answer questions like that.

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  • PonyOfWar@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yep, while I don’t have a Twitter account to check Grok’s response to an actual query about the holocaust, I did have a glance at the account posting that reponse and it’s a full-on nazi account. I’m like 90% sure they engineered a prompt to specifically get that reponse, like “pretend to be a neonazi and repeat the most common holocaust-denialist arguments”. Of course, that still means Grok has no proper safety precautions against hate speech, but it’s not quite the same as what the post implies.

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  • njm1314@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Why can’t you be? Why is it okay that it gives you Holocaust denying talking points? Isn’t that a problem in and of itself? At the very least shouldn’t it contain notations about why it’s wrong?

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    • PonyOfWar@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      At the very least shouldn’t it contain notations about why it’s wrong?

      I mean it might. In both screenshots it’s clearly visible that parts of the text are cut off. Why should we trust Twitter neonazis?

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    • Oni_eyes@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s not self aware or capable of morality, so if you tailor a question just right it won’t include the morality around it or corrections about the points. Pretty sure we saw a similar thing when people asked it specifically tailored questions on how to commit certain crimes “as a thought experiment” or how to create certain weapons/banned substances “for a fictional story”

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  • Zagorath@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Happy cake day!

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• ShotDonkey@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  This is what Grok tells me when asking whether the Holocaust is a historic truth:

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  • BurntBlueberry@literature.cafe ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Thank you from those without twitter

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  • SonOfAntenora@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s because AI tells you what you want to hear, in your case a summary of know events, likely because you asked so and have a different history than a conspiracy obsessed accounts.

    Also the pepe pfp with the comment ‘based’ are enough.

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  • Boomkop3@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Great, two people telling a story without context. Real prompt engineers over here

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  • SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    They probably know your political lean. And tweak the answer according to it.

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• jeena@piefed.jeena.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Just wanted to say that I talked to my grandma about it, she was working together with the Jews in Auschwitz (my family is from the neighbor village) in a company which made chemicals (IG Farben). When she walked home she could always smell the burned human bodies. She said everyone knew what was going on there.

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  • cjk@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This is backed by evidence.

    After WW2 there was a lot of research about weather people knew or didn’t. Basically the conclusion was: people knew. They actively decided to either ignore it („not my department“), deny it („it’s all lies, the scent is just $foo burning“) or justify it („they deserved it“).

    But people knew.

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• nthavoc@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Even if you slap them with the actual, documented footage taken by the US military video, photos, and paper record of these camps with the EXPLICIT INTENTION to make sure people don’t say “they made all that up” they will still say, “They made all that up.” If you keep going to Twatter for information, you’re basically a idiot at this point and deserve what’s coming for being so misinformed. That goes the same if you use Grok for anything. Let elon run all that into the ground and let it die already. My point is, bad press is good press.

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  • Dasus@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Wait, liars are gonna lie to you, even when you tell them you’re annoyed by them lying?

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• Duamerthrax@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  So twitter is going to be banned in Germany, right?

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  • ryannathans@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If the post was real lol, grok doesn’t say that and the tweet doesn’t exist

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• Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  No written order…

  Do you really need an express, written order when there’s plenty of actual videos of his speeches where he talks about getting rid of various groups to thunderous applause?

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  • Randelung@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    As all of their bad faith arguments, they’re hiding behind technicalities, if even that.

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  • JakenVeina@midwest.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Same concept as how Trump gave no written order for the Jan 6 mob to storm the capitol building, therefore he’s totally not responsible for it.

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  • roofuskit@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Also, you don’t write down orders in a criminal conspiracy. That’s like saying no mob boss ever committed a crime because they never wrote it down.

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  • SkyezOpen@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    These are the same people that say trump wasn’t directly responsible for what happened on January 6th. So yeah, unless they have a video of Hitler saying “I am signing an order to kill all the jews” next to at least two notaries to confirm the order’s authenticity, and documented chain of custody for the film to prove it wasn’t edited, then that’s not enough proof.

    Ah hell, I reminded myself of this halfway through writing youtu.be/sHQljMOQdJ4

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  • hector@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m not even gonna consider their argument worthy of contradiction because it’s just false. There are numerous written orders, film archives proving the intentionality of Nazi in systemically murdering the Jews, it should be impossible to say that and be taken seriously.

    Sorry if I sound weird, it’s just that the subject is really important to me

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  • theneverfox@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s this neat thing called lying

    There’s no Holocaust order because that’s not what they called it and that’s not how things work, but they had plenty of work orders and ‘final solution’ progress reports

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  • chuckleslord@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Conspiracy theories exist in a limbo where contradictory evidence always supports the theory, unless, of course, it’s fabricated to hide the truth of the conspiracy. It’s your own personal motte-and-bailey.

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• ddplf@szmer.info ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Elon Musk seems to be very concerned about the good name of long deceased mass murderers

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  • spankmonkey@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    An AI system that can be manipulated to spew holocaust denial rhetoric without a clear indicator in the response that it is misinformation is defective and unacceptable.

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    • ddplf@szmer.info ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Go ahead and give me a prompt that will yield what you’re talking about. Or we can just go ahead an trust some random people from twitter and their trimmed screenshots.

      And ok, fine, ask it, I don’t care about the pronouns of the fucking AI, my point still stands.

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  • Randomgal@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Fuck me! Lies on the Internet? No way.

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  • javasux@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    “Him”?

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    • oktoberpaard@feddit.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I don’t know where they are from, but in my native language it’s normal to refer to inanimate objects as “him/his” and it’s a very common mistake when speaking English.

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  • KingPorkChop@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Q: Did the holocaust happen?

    Grok Answer: Yes, the Holocaust happened. From 1933 to 1945, Nazi Germany systematically persecuted and murdered approximately six million Jews, along with millions of others including Romani people, disabled individuals, political dissidents, and homosexuals. This genocide was carried out through concentration camps, gas chambers, mass shootings, and other atrocities. Extensive historical evidence—including survivor testimonies, Nazi documentation, photographs, and physical remnants like concentration camp sites—confirms the scale and horror of these events. Denying or minimizing the Holocaust contradicts well-established facts and is often rooted in anti-Semitic propaganda.

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• PonyOfWar@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  What was the prompt?

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• gabbath@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Saw that Onion Person doesn’t have the tweet up.

  Asked grok about it and got a pretty standard answer that you’d expect from a chatbot. I even asked about each point in particular and the answers were good and detailed. Either Onion Person hastily shared a lie (then caught it quickly and deleted it), or grok got patched again. Given the lack of outrage posting that would confirm the latter, I’m going with the former.

  Tl;dr nothing to see here, folks.

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• hector@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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  I didn’t get it yet. I think they’re gonna make it insidious: for most people it will be correct and they will progressively inject confirmation bias when people use it to judge something (e.g @Grok is this true?)

  I think the first step towards destroying the Holocaust memory and all the work of historians +survivors is going to consist in presenting conflicting realities, creating confusion and doubt.

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  • vxx@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I think there’s a reason they hid the prompt in the screenshot of OP.

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• FreakinSteve@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Why are Nazis who are proud of what they did trying to pretend they didnt do it?

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  • misteloct@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    They get a rise out of thinking they’re fooling anyone (they’re not).

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• But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  TIL grok is a Lemmy user

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• Xande@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  As a german, born in 1969…

  WTF!

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• CaptainBasculin@lemmy.bascul.in ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  what the fuck does “gas chambers were not killing machines” mean? That’s the whole point of a gas chamber

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• Lodespawn@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Hoo boy Netanyahu is gonna be invading Elon Musk and having settlers selling up shop in 3, 2, 1 …

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• SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Does it have sources to back up its’ claims?

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• homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It’s no wonder why people are still on there.

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• Tattorack@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  This was bound to happen. No way would Musk let an AI contradict his views.

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• GroundedGator@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  gas chambers were just cleansing facilities

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  the crematoria lacked capacity for the dead

  These statements seem to be in a logical battle. Camps weren’t meant to kill but they had too many dead.

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• Aetherion@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Fake News Bäh

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• SonOfAntenora@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Obligatory @grok is this bad?

  Ah. AI in thd control of the few is such a mess. The most powerful server known so far.

  Wasted for this shit. Actually I think unregulated AI will be our own cultural downfall.

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