This is what Grok tells me when asking whether the Holocaust is a historic truth:
Grok got a Nazi patch
Submitted 2 days ago by cm0002@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.zip
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ShotDonkey@lemmy.world 2 days ago
BurntBlueberry@literature.cafe 2 days ago
Thank you from those without twitter
SonOfAntenora@lemmy.world 1 day ago
It’s because AI tells you what you want to hear, in your case a summary of know events, likely because you asked so and have a different history than a conspiracy obsessed accounts.
Also the pepe pfp with the comment ‘based’ are enough.
Boomkop3@reddthat.com 1 day ago
Great, two people telling a story without context. Real prompt engineers over here
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 1 day ago
They probably know your political lean. And tweak the answer according to it.
ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
What was the prompt? I’m not going to be outraged if it have you Holocaust-denier talking points after you asked for Holocaust-denier talking points, even thought ideally it wouldn’t answer questions like that.
PonyOfWar@pawb.social 2 days ago
Yep, while I don’t have a Twitter account to check Grok’s response to an actual query about the holocaust, I did have a glance at the account posting that reponse and it’s a full-on nazi account. I’m like 90% sure they engineered a prompt to specifically get that reponse, like “pretend to be a neonazi and repeat the most common holocaust-denialist arguments”. Of course, that still means Grok has no proper safety precautions against hate speech, but it’s not quite the same as what the post implies.
njm1314@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Why can’t you be? Why is it okay that it gives you Holocaust denying talking points? Isn’t that a problem in and of itself? At the very least shouldn’t it contain notations about why it’s wrong?
PonyOfWar@pawb.social 2 days ago
At the very least shouldn’t it contain notations about why it’s wrong?
I mean it might. In both screenshots it’s clearly visible that parts of the text are cut off. Why should we trust Twitter neonazis?
Oni_eyes@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
It’s not self aware or capable of morality, so if you tailor a question just right it won’t include the morality around it or corrections about the points. Pretty sure we saw a similar thing when people asked it specifically tailored questions on how to commit certain crimes “as a thought experiment” or how to create certain weapons/banned substances “for a fictional story”
Zagorath@aussie.zone 2 days ago
Happy cake day!
nthavoc@lemmy.today 1 day ago
Even if you slap them with the actual, documented footage taken by the US military video, photos, and paper record of these camps with the EXPLICIT INTENTION to make sure people don’t say “they made all that up” they will still say, “They made all that up.” If you keep going to Twatter for information, you’re basically a idiot at this point and deserve what’s coming for being so misinformed. That goes the same if you use Grok for anything. Let elon run all that into the ground and let it die already. My point is, bad press is good press.
Dasus@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
jeena@piefed.jeena.net 1 day ago
Just wanted to say that I talked to my grandma about it, she was working together with the Jews in Auschwitz (my family is from the neighbor village) in a company which made chemicals (IG Farben). When she walked home she could always smell the burned human bodies. She said everyone knew what was going on there.
cjk@discuss.tchncs.de 20 hours ago
This is backed by evidence.
After WW2 there was a lot of research about weather people knew or didn’t. Basically the conclusion was: people knew. They actively decided to either ignore it („not my department“), deny it („it’s all lies, the scent is just $foo burning“) or justify it („they deserved it“).
But people knew.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 2 days ago
So twitter is going to be banned in Germany, right?
ryannathans@aussie.zone 2 days ago
If the post was real lol, grok doesn’t say that and the tweet doesn’t exist
hector@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
I didn’t get it yet. I think they’re gonna make it insidious: for most people it will be correct and they will progressively inject confirmation bias when people use it to judge something (e.g @Grok is this true?)
I think the first step towards destroying the Holocaust memory and all the work of historians +survivors is going to consist in presenting conflicting realities, creating confusion and doubt.
vxx@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
I think there’s a reason they hid the prompt in the screenshot of OP.
Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 days ago
No written order…
Do you really need an express, written order when there’s plenty of actual videos of his speeches where he talks about getting rid of various groups to thunderous applause?
Randelung@lemmy.world 2 days ago
As all of their bad faith arguments, they’re hiding behind technicalities, if even that.
JakenVeina@midwest.social 2 days ago
Same concept as how Trump gave no written order for the Jan 6 mob to storm the capitol building, therefore he’s totally not responsible for it.
roofuskit@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Also, you don’t write down orders in a criminal conspiracy. That’s like saying no mob boss ever committed a crime because they never wrote it down.
hector@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
I’m not even gonna consider their argument worthy of contradiction because it’s just false. There are numerous written orders, film archives proving the intentionality of Nazi in systemically murdering the Jews, it should be impossible to say that and be taken seriously.
Sorry if I sound weird, it’s just that the subject is really important to me
theneverfox@pawb.social 1 day ago
It’s this neat thing called lying
There’s no Holocaust order
because that’s not what they called it and that’s not how things work, but they had plenty of work orders and ‘final solution’ progress reportsSkyezOpen@lemmy.world 2 days ago
These are the same people that say trump wasn’t directly responsible for what happened on January 6th. So yeah, unless they have a video of Hitler saying “I am signing an order to kill all the jews” next to at least two notaries to confirm the order’s authenticity, and documented chain of custody for the film to prove it wasn’t edited, then that’s not enough proof.
Ah hell, I reminded myself of this halfway through writing youtu.be/sHQljMOQdJ4
chuckleslord@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Conspiracy theories exist in a limbo where contradictory evidence always supports the theory, unless, of course, it’s fabricated to hide the truth of the conspiracy. It’s your own personal motte-and-bailey.
ddplf@szmer.info 2 days ago
Elon Musk seems to be very concerned about the good name of long deceased mass murderers
spankmonkey@lemmy.world 2 days ago
An AI system that can be manipulated to spew holocaust denial rhetoric without a clear indicator in the response that it is misinformation is defective and unacceptable.
ddplf@szmer.info 2 days ago
Go ahead and give me a prompt that will yield what you’re talking about. Or we can just go ahead an trust some random people from twitter and their trimmed screenshots.
And ok, fine, ask it, I don’t care about the pronouns of the fucking AI, my point still stands.
Randomgal@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
Fuck me! Lies on the Internet? No way.
javasux@lemmy.world 2 days ago
“Him”?
oktoberpaard@feddit.nl 1 day ago
I don’t know where they are from, but in my native language it’s normal to refer to inanimate objects as “him/his” and it’s a very common mistake when speaking English.
KingPorkChop@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
Q: Did the holocaust happen?
Grok Answer: Yes, the Holocaust happened. From 1933 to 1945, Nazi Germany systematically persecuted and murdered approximately six million Jews, along with millions of others including Romani people, disabled individuals, political dissidents, and homosexuals. This genocide was carried out through concentration camps, gas chambers, mass shootings, and other atrocities. Extensive historical evidence—including survivor testimonies, Nazi documentation, photographs, and physical remnants like concentration camp sites—confirms the scale and horror of these events. Denying or minimizing the Holocaust contradicts well-established facts and is often rooted in anti-Semitic propaganda.
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 1 day ago
TIL grok is a Lemmy user
PonyOfWar@pawb.social 2 days ago
What was the prompt?
gabbath@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Saw that Onion Person doesn’t have the tweet up.
Asked grok about it and got a pretty standard answer that you’d expect from a chatbot. I even asked about each point in particular and the answers were good and detailed. Either Onion Person hastily shared a lie (then caught it quickly and deleted it), or grok got patched again. Given the lack of outrage posting that would confirm the latter, I’m going with the former.
Tl;dr nothing to see here, folks.
SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Does it have sources to back up its’ claims?
FreakinSteve@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Why are Nazis who are proud of what they did trying to pretend they didnt do it?
misteloct@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
They get a rise out of thinking they’re fooling anyone (they’re not).
Tattorack@lemmy.world 1 day ago
This was bound to happen. No way would Musk let an AI contradict his views.
Xande@discuss.tchncs.de 2 days ago
As a german, born in 1969…
WTF!
CaptainBasculin@lemmy.bascul.in 2 days ago
what the fuck does “gas chambers were not killing machines” mean? That’s the whole point of a gas chamber
Lodespawn@aussie.zone 2 days ago
Hoo boy Netanyahu is gonna be invading Elon Musk and having settlers selling up shop in 3, 2, 1 …
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 days ago
It’s no wonder why people are still on there.
GroundedGator@lemmy.world 2 days ago
gas chambers were just cleansing facilities
And
the crematoria lacked capacity for the dead
These statements seem to be in a logical battle. Camps weren’t meant to kill but they had too many dead.
Aetherion@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Fake News Bäh
SonOfAntenora@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Obligatory @grok is this bad?
Ah. AI in thd control of the few is such a mess. The most powerful server known so far.
Wasted for this shit. Actually I think unregulated AI will be our own cultural downfall.
floofloof@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
Now I’m the first person to agree that X is a Nazi site run by a Nazi, but it’s conspicuous how the prompts have been removed here. Without the prompts this doesn’t prove much.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 2 days ago
nah, the prompt is irrelevant, even if you asked it to make up conspiracy theories. it shouldn’t do that.
Randomgal@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
Grok is a tool, not an arbiter of truth. It doesn’t do anything, people use it to do things. The prompt does matter because that shows how it is being used.
The same way it does matter if you use a hammer to build a chair or break a skull.
RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
Shit tool if it doesn’t do what you tell it to do