Quite ironic from people constantly accusing their political adversaries to be communists…
We Should Immediately Nationalize SpaceX and Starlink
Submitted 1 week ago by Pro@programming.dev to technology@lemmy.world
https://jacobin.com/2025/06/musk-trump-nationalize-spacex-starlink
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reivilo@lemmy.world 1 week ago
echolalia@lemmy.ml 1 week ago
Errr… am I mistaken? This is the first time I’m hearing about nationalizing SpaceX and it’s from Jacobin…
Does Jacobin make a habit of calling people communists? Pretty sure they advocate for socialist positions usually…
big spiderman pointing at spiderman vibes
reivilo@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Jacobin is a late 18th early 19th political spectrum. It is not relevant to this situation.
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Well that’s not really the case. Conservatives will accuse progressive of being communists, and claim any social services are examples of communism. But it’s mostly those progressives here on Lemmy suggesting communist ideas.
So it’s not really ironic, just unsurprising I guess.
MyOpinion@lemmy.today 1 week ago
Step one Musk needs to be arrested and sent to El Salvador.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 1 week ago
No thanks. We need to shut down all U.S. affiliation with prisons outside the U.S. Release those prisoners or transfer them back to the U.S. and have proper trials. Trump needs to stand trial for the fake electors and for every unconstitutional measure he has done before/since as an unconstitutional act that the Supreme Court deems unconstitutional should not be considered an official act. The President should be suspended from all duties until Congress performa an investigation draws up the articles of impeachment and it is tried by the Senate.
Musk should be tried for election interference and any other laws he may have broken but it should be done right here in the U.S. If anything freeze all of his accounts and require him to step down from any/all roles within his companies as part of his required bale terms, or otherwise he would be choosing to spend the time awaiting trial in jail.
These actions would ensure they aren’t trying to drag court cases out for years, they would want the court cases to move along faster.
Would Trump get convicted by the Senate, unlikely. That’s on us for voting terrible people into the legislative branch. But we can’t complain about those who break the law if we think it’s fine to break the law when it fits our wants. We need to update those laws legally or tear the whole thing down and say Musk and Trump didn’t break any laws because we didn’t think those laws mattered as well.
gamer@lemm.ee 1 week ago
Throw Musk in prison for his many documented crimes, but don’t support this kind of dictator shit.
Bieren@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Yeah. Let’s give Trump that power.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 1 week ago
why stop there?
do it to meta, twitter, amazon, etc
TronBronson@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Based? Then they can become regulated.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
Fediverse is superior to state-owned.
Now that you mention it, we need an Amazon replacement too.
AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 1 week ago
But that’s communism, and .world is famously against that
gmtom@lemmy.world 1 week ago
No, we just hate people that glaze ruthless dictators and genocidal maniacs whose whole ethos was contradictory to the very idea of communism just because they had a red flag.
itisileclerk@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Nationalization is so communist thing to do.
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 1 week ago
Doesnt make it a bad idea tho :D
Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
Yes it does.
paris@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 week ago
Okay 👍
iamkindasomeone@feddit.org 1 week ago
don’t threaten me with a good time!
hansolo@lemm.ee 1 week ago
Also every African despotic regime that has has ever existed.
tourist@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Stopping exploitation by Shell, BP & Friends isn’t exactly what made those regimes despotic
AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 1 week ago
Despotic Ibrahim Tralee, using the money from nationalised formerly French gold mines to checks notes give $180.000.000 to farmers in farm equipment to industrialise agriculture. So despotic and antidemocratic.
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Marxist are genuinely dumb enough to understand why this would be an issue.
theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Best time would’ve been when he pulled that stunt in Ukraine, second best time is now
breecher@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
Now when a Putin simp is leading the country?
gemappliedfax@lemmy.zip 1 week ago
Pedo-nation
Elkot@lemmy.world 1 week ago
This is what happens when you meddle in politics
TheBannedLemming@lemmy.world 1 week ago
I am not saying that I don’t agree with you. But this country is still not even close to considering nationalizing its own telecommunication infrastructure. Much less a privately held space company and a service of communication satellites. A large chunk of America believes that a for-profit business model for every good and service possible in life is the best course of action.
Obi@sopuli.xyz 1 week ago
Yes it’s the right long term goal, but the US is nowhere near ready for strong nationalised enterprises, they would just stop getting funding and die. There is a requirement for strong, positive minded government and a shared understanding of the benefits of having nationalised societal services before it can work.
Sunflier@lemmy.world 1 week ago
I think that’s a complicated question. It’s both yes and no. Yes, we should nationalize them. No, nationalizing them should not be by tRump. That sets the sets, or at least reinforces, thr concept that the architecture of industry can be nationalized as payback for petty political squabbling. They should be natuobalized, however, because fElon has proven himself to be unstable, reckless, petty, and a risk to the nation.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 week ago
remember the halcyon days when NASA could do something and the president might not like it, but they were all FUCKING ADULTS and the grift was well distributed amongst the congresscreatures, so it never devolved into adolescent twitter whining?
goddamn those were better than whatever this shit is
deathbird@mander.xyz 1 week ago
Not so much because Elon is the way he is, but because the company is vital to the national interest.
Sunflier@lemmy.world 1 week ago
That too
Knightfox@lemmy.world 1 week ago
A lot of people are calling this a bailout for Elon, but in reality it would be a seizure. Elon doesn’t want to let go of Starlink and the US likely wouldn’t pay him what it’s worth to take it over.
What people seem to be missing is the precedent this would set. It’s also well and good when we empower the office of the president to seize a private company we don’t like, but after we give them that power what’s to stop them from seizing other businesses?
XYZ company refuses to get rid of their DEI policy because the shareholders voted to keep it? Well now the orange man can seize it.
Let’s not forget that previously it took 2/3rd majority to confirm presidential appointments, but the Senate under Obama decided to change that rule to 50% to get past Republican objections. The result of this is all this shit appointments Trump has passed with 51% of the Senate, none of them would have gotten by if the Democrats hadn’t made a precedent for changing the rules.
gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 week ago
What people seem to be missing is the precedent this would set. It’s all well and good when we empower the office of the president to seize a private company we don’t like, but after we give them that power what’s to stop them from seizing other businesses?
XYZ company refuses to get rid of their DEI policy because the shareholders voted to keep it? Well now the orange man can seize it.
The problem they don’t see is that once a precedent is set, also the other party can do it. What you point out is valid also like “XYZ company refuses to establish a DEI policy because the shareholders voted agains ? Well not the democratic president can seize it”.
Let’s not forget that previously it took 2/3rd majority to confirm presidential appointments, but the Senate under Obama decided to change that rule to 50% to get past Republican objections. The result of this is all these shit appointments Trump has passed with 51% of the Senate, none of them would have gotten by if the Democrats hadn’t made a precedent for changing the rules.
Tipical case of not looking beyond one’s nose
Subverb@lemmy.world 1 week ago
One way to get businesses to move their factories back to the US due to tarrifs: Start nationalizing them.
/s
mad_lentil@lemmy.ca 1 week ago
I mean if they’re utilities, we shouldn’t let a board decide what should rightfully be in the hands of taxpayers. Really they should welcome a stable (OK maybe not so stable in the US atm, but generally…) owner as the government.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 week ago
Just because something is a “utility” it doesn’t mean that the government should own and run it lol.
Quadhammer@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Take the /s off the ruskies might believe you and run with it
SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 1 week ago
That would be national socialism right?
tofubl@discuss.tchncs.de 1 week ago
Edgy!
AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 1 week ago
No, nazis actually privatised a lot of formerly state-owned sectors of the economy
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 1 week ago
They also nationalized other sectors. They were actually quite centrist economically.
gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 week ago
Yes, but don"t say it to Musk’s haters…
SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Who doesn’t hate Musk these days?
He’s pissed of everyone except the ones who want to be ruled by a technobro king.
frenchfryenjoyer@lemmings.world 1 week ago
There’s already NASA which gets piss poor funding iirc
sommerset@thelemmy.club 1 week ago
What? Why?
.he wants to create a 3rd party, let him.laber@lemmy.world 1 week ago
The nationalization of SpaceX will mean a slowdown in development, like in the case of NASA.
Olgratin_Magmatoe@startrek.website 1 week ago
Ignoring the lack of evidence or argument presented here for that, I’d rather take a slowdown than Musk get a single new dollar.
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Because American politicians would rather spend the money on engaging international wars. NASA will only get the funding it desperately needs if one of US’ rivals one up them, like how the launch of Sputnik spurred the race to the moon.
nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 week ago
sounds good who gives a shit
Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 week ago
Few words are dirtier to Republicans than “nationalize”. They must be torn between following their god-emperor’s hurt feelings and allowing Musk’s company to be taken over by the government. The best I see them doing is cancelling all contracts and subsidies with SpaceX/Tesla and passing them off to its competitors.
luxyr42@lemmy.dormedas.com 1 week ago
Just weird it in a way that is more capitalist lingo: " The govt will acquire a majority controlling stake and take the company private under it’s direct control"
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 week ago
That would literally be the worse thing that could happen with regards to them, because they only exist and thrived because they are private enterprise. If the government were capable of doing what those companies do and doing it well, SpaceX and Starlink wouldn’t exist in the first place.
Can you even imagine just how much money would be wasted and misused and unaccounted for, while nothing actually got done?
Anyone who thinks this is a good idea is delusional
Campliving69@aussie.zone 1 week ago
Agreed. These are things that should be of the people.
zbyte64@awful.systems 1 week ago
The oligarchs wouldn’t like that precedent but they might go for purchasing SpaceX since it is owned by a foreigner. Kind of like with TikTok…
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 1 week ago
NOW they complain about giving Musk money?
Most of the 38 billion was given by Biden.AppleTea@lemmy.zip 1 week ago
imagine how many more rockets we could reuse if the NASA subdivision formerly known as SpaceX did literally any of the standard, rigorous fault-checks.
qwerty@discuss.tchncs.de 1 week ago
have a government run space agency
a private company shows up
does everything better at a fraction of the cost and actually innovates
commies on lemmy: We Should Immediately Nationalize SpaceX and Starlink
Angular2575@lemmy.ml 1 week ago
No, we already have NASA
something_random_tho@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Also the Tesla charging infrastructure!
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 1 week ago
I wouldn’t nationalize anything long as the orange could possibly profit off it
vga@sopuli.xyz 1 week ago
Any political take from Jacobin can be safely ignored.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 week ago
When’s the last time the US nationalised something?
PumpUpTheJam@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Racism. 1776.
TrueStoryBob@lemmy.world 1 week ago
The automotive manufacturers General Motors and Chrysler were partially nationalized in the wake of the 2008 Financial Crisis as were several banks… these were less a full government takeover and more of a government guided restructuring. Before that, the only full nationalization of anything substantial was the bankruptcy of the Penn Central Railroad and subsequent establishment of the US’s only national freight rail company in ConRail. It was later privatized and is now the private companies CSX and Norfolk Southern. The collapse of Penn Central was the largest bankruptcy in history until Enron in the 1990’s. Amtrak, our national passenger rail corporation, is also a nationalized entity created around the same time as ConRail, for similar reasons, and is still nationalized (although the Trump admin wants to privatize it).
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Didn’t know about Amtrak. Interesting. Thanks
zbk@lemmy.ca 1 week ago
I think during world war 2. But things were worse then 15% unemployment and people still had massive economic leverage. I don’t think the US government is nationalizing anything anytime soon now. Neither party will participate in it because they are in the pockets of the oligarchs.
HK65@sopuli.xyz 1 week ago
Tiktok?
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 1 week ago
LOL You can’t nationalise foreign companies.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
Conrail?