Submitted 2 weeks ago by Wispy2891@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
Now I understand why at each windows 11 update, they introduce more bugs than ever
He used the word written by software. This is ambiguous and doesn’t mean AI, for example, using annotations for variables and generating the getters and setters would count. Right click and create function body for interface function definitions also.
They’re exaggerating to pretend their AI is more useful than it is.
Intellisense in visual studio has also been really good for over a decade. Which is technically also written by software and not me.
I mean, really good intellisense is a great improvement, but it’s not replacing devs any time soon.
People have been using annotations to generate code since I rode my dinosaur to work.
Don’t forget code generation for stuff like bindings or database schemes
So the CEO is trying to tell investors that they are saving money by not paying employees. But to me it sounds more like: we are letting our sub-par products continue to enshitify, and any other company using AI to program will be equal competition.
I think he’s trying to say that their AI writes code good enough for Microsoft. Which is a message to other business leaders that your company too can benefit from copilot, just hand over your credit card!
Microsoft has absolutely gotten worse in the consumer space, but that isn’t really their business these days.
They’re worse in the business space too. Teams is crashing on me daily.
Good point
They are even worse in the business space for sure.
What products do they have that are enshittifying?
Here is the definition: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification
Here’s the list of what they are enshittifying: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_software
Windows 11 was much much shittier, idk about the rest of their products, I haven’t used them.
And I switched over to steamOS, so I won’t be using any of their products again.
Have you not noticed that the Windows search has become a meme for being really useful in windows seven and useless in newer versions because it started
And that’s just one example that’s obvious enough to become a meme
What products do they have that aren’t?
I’ve read the article. Search, Notepad, Teams, Excel.
Outlook is stable
Power move by the zucc by first asking how much genai is used at Microsoft then refusing to answer his own question at Facebook 😂
Well, that explains Windows 11.
this makes way more sense than hundreds of shitty devs.
Even their AI crashes all the time, its brutal.
this is why I get so much business as a IT consultant lol
Everybody saying this is why their products are shit are really confusing me. It’s not like Microsoft just started being terrible. They’ve been terrible for a real long time. Way before AI was a thing. This is just a symptom of Microsoft’s awfulness not a reason for it.
Ok, it’s like this.
Ms used to release shitty stuff. And they’ll continue to release shitty stuff except now it’ll be 30% more shitty.
There were alpha versions of windows 8 with less glaring/annoying bugs than windows 11, though
My windows 11 gaming machine has done all manner of fucky stuff, including permanently losing desktop icons seemingly at random and just whole ass refusing to open the file explorer for six months.
Windows 11 is so terrible so far that if I’ll need to use Windows 10 for dev reasons, I’ll either pirate the extended support patches, or use a shitbox (obsolete PC for optimization purposes) disconnected from the internet. I do fear that I might have to hack a GUI onto LDB or GDB, because I got too used to RemedyBG (I’m already using Kate).
The AI is not the reason their software is bad, but their software is bad for the same reason they’re claiming to use AI to write it.
This is my own experience but the past few years Windows has been extremely dependable for me and then in the last few months the updates they’ve have been terrible. I’ve seen more blue screens recently than I have in a lot of years.
All this to say that if it is 30% AI code being used then it’s very telling!
Windows was always garbage to be honest, windows 7 was the best release in my opinion. You are correct though it is way worse these past months.
i had such a bad experience with 7, it was horribly unstable on a computer that had handled vista just fine. i switched to 8 as soon as i could and was better off for it.
Windows 7 was peak windows. Its been downhill from there
Win98SE was my favorite. Maximum just working, minimum trying to “help.”
I don’t remember in my 2 decades of working my work machine causing me to lose work due to a Windows update. In the last year, it happened to me 3 times. One was due to Crowdstrike. The latest update also recently broke my remote setup. Not completely their fault but still a crappy time. The one other time was due to an update (must’ve been the forced win11 one) killing the wifi and then Windows hiding any options to fix it, a bug from Windows 10.
I bet they’re counting code written while someone had an AI plugin installed as “written by AI” and I bet that accounts for almost all of that 30%. On top of that, I’m betting that they made it mandatory to have such a plug in, and the other 70% is just code written before they mandated this.
I would be very surprised if 30% of their code lines had even been touched at all by anyone since AI coding assistants became a thing.
I could see stuff getting small changes and them claiming that the entirety of the new version is “written by AI”.
Also, having 1/3 lines with obvious code that can be auto suggested correctly would make sense, but that is hardly code “written by ai” in the way they suggest.
I’d guess a lot of the people writing the code don’t even have it turned on, it’s just installed because management said it had to be, because management wants to be able to tell investors they’re “innovating work flows”.
Those are the easy time savings though, the safe easy stuff the developer doesn’t have to worry about anymore. (Giving them time do the gnarly stuff)
It shows
That explains so much
If they mean “30% of the code we wrote last month” then I might believe it. Though I bet it is not across the board but deep in one or two areas. Still, it’s a crazy number.
But he said something like “30% of the code in our repositories” which would mean everything, including their entire legacy of code. And that I simply do not believe.
Its a shit article with Tech crunch changing the words to get people in a flap about AI (for or against), the actual quote is
“I’d say maybe 20 percent, 30 percent of the code that is inside of our repos today and some of our projects are probably all written by software”
“Written by software” reasonable included machine refactored code, automatically generated boilerplate and things generated by AI assistants. Through that lens 20% doesnt seem crazy.
I’ve been “automatically writing code” for a system of about a dozen modules - we specify a glue file in .json between all the modules and the code generating software makes units to go in each module to do the communication interfacing based on the glue spec. That system has been running for more than 10 years now, it writes a couple hundred thousand lines of “new code” every time we modify the glue file.
The A stands for Automation, right?
My first thought on reading that is: yeah, like about 98% of the human genome is “junk DNA” that we have little or no idea what it might be doing. Sometimes when we cut it out, nobody ever notices, sometimes when we cut it out the system won’t boot up.
It wouldn’t surprise me at all if they entered the codebase for Windows 11 into an LLM and asked it to optimize it or some shit lol
And surprise surprise, it’s worse than ever
lmao I just said the same thing before reading your comment
Yeah that’s a good point.
Of course it’s just bad writing, but I kind of wouldn’t put it past management to try shoving their multitude of codebases through an LLM at this point.
This only makes sense if they are counting intellisense auto complete as “AI written”
Has to be something like that. Nadella is somehow cheating with the number, trying to keep the AI hype going.
You could say ALL of my latest scripts were written with AI. Because I often use it to get a hint or gather some boilerplate code (which I still go over and modify).
Was the auto complete in visual studio not a “trained” set before the llm craze kicked off? Would not surprise me if they decided to include that.
Government spyware finally has a challenger for the title of “primary reason that most Microsoft software runs like hot garbage”.
So this explains why Microsoft Swiftkey is total dogshit now. Also why the Outlook barely works.
Its unbelievable.
That’s why their products are so crappy!
It shows
“Up to” can also be 0%. Why is there even a need to say “up to” here.
Well, that would explain a lot.
I’m also guessing that at “up to 30%” of the company’s leadership decisions are being made by AI too.
“30% of my pants is pooped”
We know Microsoft.
Hardly possible not to noticce…
Code written by software doesn’t mean AI unless you ignore compilers
Executives lie to boost profits and justify their decisions, I doubt MS execs even know how much of their code is AI generated just like the ad sales company exec they were talking to in the article
I’m still forced to use Microsoft Outlook and teams, unfortunately, and boy oh boy is it bad.
Yesterday i spent 45 minutes of a 1,5 meeting (that would have been 45 minutes) on trying teams to please try and use the right microphone, please share a screen (not working under Firefox or chrome now, apparently)
I can’t wait for the day that I have some time to get us off that dog shit
Windows hate train looks fun, but as someone who works in the industry, most of that code is probably just unit tests and boilerplate stuff.
Copilot is decent at quickly writing huge amounts of tedious unit test code, requiring minimal tweaks. And since Microsoft works with languages like C# and .NET for their native apps, and likely backend too, there is quite a bit of verbosity that Copilot can take care of.
No real code is AI-generated. He’s just saying shit like this to keep idiot investors happy.
Work for a big software company. With all the offshoring of devs, I expect most of our code is now AI. And it shows.
This makes sense and would explain the mainline windows versioning and probably the xbox versioning too!
Microsoft to AI: List all the integers from one to eleven.
AI: 3. 95. 98. 2000. XP. Vista. 7. 8. 10. 11.
Is this why they haven’t said why they one folder needs to be there. They actually don’t know.
Yeah, I can tell every time I have to use that dinosaur of an OS.
Boy am I glad not having to touch their software.
And 100% of their product names are generated by AI. No human would be stupid enough to change something’s name for zero reason.
Yeah that’d explain some stuff. Happy to have switched to Linux
krimson@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Horseshit.
The current state of code generated by AI is sketchy at best. I often get plain wrong answers because the model tries to derive. It comes up with calls to functions and properties that just do not exist.
“You are right, I made a mistake. Here is a better answer.” Continues to give wrong answers.
Apart from that, apps that are glued together from AI generated code are not maintainable at all. What if there is a bug somewhere and you so not comprehend what is actually happening? Ask AI to fix it? Yeah good luck with that.
I do use AI for simple questions, and it works fairly well for that, but this claim by MS is just marketing bullshit.
jordanlund@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This ^
“20%-30% of code inside the company’s repositories”
Now, if they had said “20%-30% of code written in the past 6 months…” I might buy that.
The repositories are going to have all the current codebase, likely going back years now. AI generated code is barely viable at this point and really only pretty recently.
No way 1/3rd of all current codebase is AI.
taladar@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Even 20% of new code would be a stretch unless they count every first iteration of code written by AI that needs to be replaced by a human later because it was plain wrong.
Damage@feddit.it 2 weeks ago
“Please move all comments from in-line to the line above, and add a separator line”
TheBlackLounge@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
They mean new code, as per the article. And they mean code gen and IntelliSence
takeda@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
They say that because they are selling it.
And yeah, my experience is the same. The most frustrating is when writing in a typed python, and it gives answers that are clearly incorrect, making up attributes that don’t even exist etc.
balder1991@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
My brother said his superior asked him to use more AI auto complete so that they can brag to investors that X percent of the company’s code is written by AI. This told me everything about the current state of this bullshit.
jaybone@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I didn’t RTA, but if they mean ALL code at MS, that just can’t be true. They have legacy stuff going back decades, beyond just their windows platform. There’s no way 30% of all their code is replaced or newly created by AI.
spooky2092@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
The exact same wrong answer. Co-Pilot is especially bad for that. I’m practically giving up using it outside of vs code because the actual copilot AI is dog shit stupid m
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
It would explain the constant barrage of system breaking bugs and RCE vulns
takeda@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
Turns out they have been using AI for decades.
fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 2 weeks ago
“Auto complete generated 30% of characters”
Fixed it.
unwarlikeExtortion@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
To be fair, the AI’s not wrong. It’s probably better, but just a teeny tiny bit so.
Hinestly, AI is like a genie - whatever you come up with he’ll just butcher and misinterpret so you start questioning both your own sanity and the semantics of language. Good thing these genies have no wish limit, but bad thing that they murder rainforests while generating their non-sequitur replies.
drunkosaurus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Ah but it was nice for a minute imagining microsoft vibe coding windows…
nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
This is my experience. It can be useful for simple things that used to be found with a web search before AI slop broke things. For example, I was having trouble getting a simple CGO program for a POC to communicate with the main Go process. This should have been solvable easily with documentation but the CGO docs are pretty bad and sample code was near impossible to find due to AI slop in the search results. GPT was able to provide the needed sample code to unblock me.