Now I understand why at each windows 11 update, they introduce more bugs than ever
Does that mean that Microsoft shares are gonna crash?
Microsoft CEO says up to 30% of the company's code was written by AI | TechCrunch
Submitted 11 months ago by Wispy2891@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 11 months ago
davidagain@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Satya Nadella has given an evasive answer there and both Zuckerberg and the journalists have been taken in.
It is common in programming languages that have a lot of boilerplate to use code generation, where you take some information about data and generate code automatically, like code that translates data between formats (for example reading and writing xml for saving to disk or json to send over the network). Being very routine to write and easy to deduce logically from other information, this process has been automated for years and years, long before AI existed.
Microsoft’s flagship software such as operating systems, office software, is unbelievably vast and complex, far beyond the complexity of most business software, and has been developed over decades. They absolutely have not replaced 30% of their code since the very recent advent of useful AI. I can believe that 30% of it is automatically generated, but not by AI.
RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 11 months ago
And its all Teams.
spicehoarder@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Are they including stuff written by intellisence and boiler plate for legacy code?
Teknikal@eviltoast.org 11 months ago
Windows is 95 percent pure bloat now imo, an os just needs to handle my hardware and launch my programs anything else is just eating my resources.
misteryscience@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I don’t need any assistance from anything while my phasers and quantums aren’t doing anything. I don’t need AI doing anything when I finally get the proper setup for crashing a Tomcat into a big old mountain that only a fool would miss. I don’t need any bloat while I’m ripping off an old cartoon character for a D&D campaign.
TwinTitans@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yeah, I can tell every time I have to use that dinosaur of an OS.
Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 11 months ago
“30% of my pants is pooped”
tehn00bi@lemmy.world 11 months ago
How much of Linux is?
bhamlin@lemmy.world 11 months ago
If you count all of my contributions, 0%.
None of my contributions have been included. I am a terrible programmer.
chilicheeselies@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It shows
GladiusB@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Stole it as if I wrote it
Evotech@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Is the part that handles images in word
Antaeus@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Copilot. Piloting you towards effortless bugs, and with all the telemetry, we don’t need to test our patches and updates. You, the user are doing that for us. Sincerely, Microsoft.
scarabic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
If they mean “30% of the code we wrote last month” then I might believe it. Though I bet it is not across the board but deep in one or two areas. Still, it’s a crazy number.
But he said something like “30% of the code in our repositories” which would mean everything, including their entire legacy of code. And that I simply do not believe.
degen@midwest.social 11 months ago
Of course it’s just bad writing, but I kind of wouldn’t put it past management to try shoving their multitude of codebases through an LLM at this point.
MangoCats@feddit.it 11 months ago
My first thought on reading that is: yeah, like about 98% of the human genome is “junk DNA” that we have little or no idea what it might be doing. Sometimes when we cut it out, nobody ever notices, sometimes when we cut it out the system won’t boot up.
Womble@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Its a shit article with Tech crunch changing the words to get people in a flap about AI (for or against), the actual quote is
“I’d say maybe 20 percent, 30 percent of the code that is inside of our repos today and some of our projects are probably all written by software”
“Written by software” reasonable included machine refactored code, automatically generated boilerplate and things generated by AI assistants. Through that lens 20% doesnt seem crazy.
degen@midwest.social 11 months ago
The A stands for Automation, right?
MangoCats@feddit.it 11 months ago
I’ve been “automatically writing code” for a system of about a dozen modules - we specify a glue file in .json between all the modules and the code generating software makes units to go in each module to do the communication interfacing based on the glue spec. That system has been running for more than 10 years now, it writes a couple hundred thousand lines of “new code” every time we modify the glue file.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
It wouldn’t surprise me at all if they entered the codebase for Windows 11 into an LLM and asked it to optimize it or some shit lol
degen@midwest.social 11 months ago
lmao I just said the same thing before reading your comment
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
And surprise surprise, it’s worse than ever
scarabic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yeah that’s a good point.
MTK@lemmy.world 11 months ago
We can tell
Auli@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Is this why they haven’t said why they one folder needs to be there. They actually don’t know.
spicehoarder@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I’m out of the loop here
JSens1998@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
Basically, there was a security flaw with Microsoft’s Internet Information Services that could be exploited by an attacker to gain access to files and folders they shouldn’t be able to. Well, instead of providing an actual fix to the problem as a whole, they applied a bandaid fix by creating a new folder named “inetpub” on the ayatem drive, and apparently the presence of the folder is able to prevent the exploit from working. People noticed the folder and deleted it because they thought it was being created by an attacker, so Microsoft had to tell people not to delete it.
Bieren@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Work for a big software company. With all the offshoring of devs, I expect most of our code is now AI. And it shows.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 11 months ago
How does it show?
chilicheeselies@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Quality degredation and Disjointed experience comes to minds. Microsofts tech is such a mess right now i dont know how they come back from it honestly. Too many competing frameworks, bad schemas, broken tooling, bad documentation.
Im not even factoring in windows 11.
I used to be a windows dev guy, but with this landscape I dunno why i would do it to myself. Developing for linux systens is such a better experience. At least there are standards and ubernerds who adhere to them.
joelfromaus@aussie.zone 11 months ago
This is my own experience but the past few years Windows has been extremely dependable for me and then in the last few months the updates they’ve have been terrible. I’ve seen more blue screens recently than I have in a lot of years.
All this to say that if it is 30% AI code being used then it’s very telling!
ano_ba_to@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
I don’t remember in my 2 decades of working my work machine causing me to lose work due to a Windows update. In the last year, it happened to me 3 times. One was due to Crowdstrike. The latest update also recently broke my remote setup. Not completely their fault but still a crappy time. The one other time was due to an update (must’ve been the forced win11 one) killing the wifi and then Windows hiding any options to fix it, a bug from Windows 10.
themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
Windows was always garbage to be honest, windows 7 was the best release in my opinion. You are correct though it is way worse these past months.
chilicheeselies@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Windows 7 was peak windows. Its been downhill from there
SaltSong@startrek.website 11 months ago
Win98SE was my favorite. Maximum just working, minimum trying to “help.”
lime@feddit.nu 11 months ago
i had such a bad experience with 7, it was horribly unstable on a computer that had handled vista just fine. i switched to 8 as soon as i could and was better off for it.
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 11 months ago
Government spyware finally has a challenger for the title of “primary reason that most Microsoft software runs like hot garbage”.
Revan343@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Year of the Linux desktop
(Amusing sidenote: my autocomplete’s first suggestion after ‘Linux’ was ‘propaganda’.)
chilicheeselies@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I think it might actually start coming to fruition now that a lot of games have native support.
One of the only things stopping me from taking the plunge at this point is laziness to soft through all my data and make sure what i need is backed up before firmatting (i know, i need a good backup solution; open to suggestions here)
Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
Sure as hell feels like it!
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
“Written by software” does not inherently mean AI.
petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella said that 20% to 30% of code inside the company’s repositories was “written by software” — meaning AI.
Nadella gave the figure after Zuckerberg asked roughly how much of Microsoft’s code is AI generated today.
I highlighted part of the article for you.
urandom@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Code generators being a prime and ancient example
Bongles@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I vaguely remember talk about companies like Google having software that fixes/writes code and that was ages before LLMs.
Tungsten5@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Well that explains a lot
WhatSay@slrpnk.net 11 months ago
So the CEO is trying to tell investors that they are saving money by not paying employees. But to me it sounds more like: we are letting our sub-par products continue to enshitify, and any other company using AI to program will be equal competition.
normalexit@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I think he’s trying to say that their AI writes code good enough for Microsoft. Which is a message to other business leaders that your company too can benefit from copilot, just hand over your credit card!
Microsoft has absolutely gotten worse in the consumer space, but that isn’t really their business these days.
chilicheeselies@lemmy.world 11 months ago
They are even worse in the business space for sure.
wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
They’re worse in the business space too. Teams is crashing on me daily.
WhatSay@slrpnk.net 11 months ago
Good point
easily3667@lemmus.org 11 months ago
What products do they have that are enshittifying?
Here is the definition: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification
ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
I’ve read the article. Search, Notepad, Teams, Excel.
Outlook is stable
killingspark@feddit.org 11 months ago
Have you not noticed that the Windows search has become a meme for being really useful in windows seven and useless in newer versions because it started
- Searching the web and asking an ai for answers without you wanting that
- In consequence syphoning out each and every search promt
- Displaying fucking ads in the fucking search results
And that’s just one example that’s obvious enough to become a meme
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
Here’s the list of what they are enshittifying: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_software
lemmy_get_my_coat@lemmy.world 11 months ago
What products do they have that aren’t?
WhatSay@slrpnk.net 11 months ago
Windows 11 was much much shittier, idk about the rest of their products, I haven’t used them.
And I switched over to steamOS, so I won’t be using any of their products again.
mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
We know Microsoft.
Hardly possible not to noticce…
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 11 months ago
this makes way more sense than hundreds of shitty devs.
RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world 11 months ago
this is why I get so much business as a IT consultant lol
toastmeister@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Even their AI crashes all the time, its brutal.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 11 months ago
Boy am I glad not having to touch their software.
echodot@feddit.uk 11 months ago
And 100% of their product names are generated by AI. No human would be stupid enough to change something’s name for zero reason.
Taleya@aussie.zone 11 months ago
coughs
russjr08@bitforged.space 11 months ago
No human would be stupid enough to change something’s name for zero reason.
Well, unless you’re a product manager at Google apparently… Though with them you’re lucky if its just a change of name rather than it becoming an entirely “new” thing, or just getting outright axed…
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yikes
hubobes@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
50% of my code is written by Intellisense…
vane@lemmy.world 11 months ago
If they start with those products today with zero marketing budged and zero user base nobody would use it. Those CEOs are just clowns.
RagingRobot@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Even worse, whenever a good new technology does pop up they buy it and ruin it.
randon31415@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Wonder how much of Windows 10 was written by Stack Exchange?