I have a synology I bought 3rd party ram (not synology) and it works fine. Same with drives just bought some seagate drives. Probably going to upgrade from a 4 bay to a 12 and I don’t see compatibility of ram being an issue. I just don’t feel like building a whole racked system I just want to plug and play and forget. As of now tho only thing I lose is warranty cause I’m using not “certified” ram and drives.
Synology could bring “certified drive” requirements to more NAS devices
Submitted 11 months ago by otter@lemmy.ca to selfhosted@lemmy.world
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ClydapusGotwald@lemmy.world 11 months ago
ZeldaFreak@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yeah I expected that this would happen. They already did this with RAM. They just rebrand RAM, sell it for a way higher price and add a check. When they brought their own branded HDDs, I knew they will pull of the same scam.
Building an own server isn’t that more expensive and you don’t have to deal with the whole lockout with Synology. For example I had quite the issue to access hardware. I wasn’t able to get Home Assistant running on my NAS. The issue was my Zigbee USB Stick. I got it running to the point where I was able to send commands (e.g. turn on or off lights) but the status didn’t came back. I threw it on my Pi3 (now Pi5) and zero issues.
The next NAS is self build. Probably Proxmox as base, with truenas or so as main server and the rest depends on what I might need.
pineapple@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
For me at least I never considered a synology nas it seemed like the apple of home servers. Especially when I enjoy building machines anyway there was no point. Although I can definitely see the appeal for some people.
blacklisted@lemmy.org 11 months ago
I had Synology for a second but built my own server, went UnRAID, and never looked back.
stankcheez@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Started messing around with docker containers on a small Synology box a few years ago, dumped Synology with a quickness in favor of just building an Ubuntu-based NAS. I’m running TrueNAS Scale bare metal now and getting ready to dump it to go back to another roll-my-own Linux + ZFS setup, possibly using Cockpit and the ZFS extensions from 45 drives.
j0ester@lemmy.world 11 months ago
This is the way.
M0oP0o@mander.xyz 11 months ago
Such a silly move. Like shooting yourself in the foot to sell more bullets
redpandabeer@feddit.org 11 months ago
Actually perfect timing (for me, it’s all in all terrible)… I was about to buy myself a NAS and struggled to figure out which to get, and this removes at least one option.
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 11 months ago
Honestly if you’re comfortable with Linux I just built my own at this point, but if you’re not then obviously don’t take my advice
redpandabeer@feddit.org 11 months ago
Yeah, I daily Linux, so I wouldn’t mind. It’s just that I want a decently sleek system with less risk of making a mistake when it comes to what I’d want to store. (I follow the 3-2-1 on important files anyway thought)
draenog@lemmy.world 11 months ago
As I read this, I am just transfering over to TrueNas on totally open hardware (from Synology). After 1 week, I am loving it. A bit of a learning curve, but TrueNas seems really nice and solid.
Xartle@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
I’m not saying that they won’t do this, but so far their actual actions have ended up pretty decent. I’ve had 3 Synology devices over the last 12(?) years, and while they are not perfect, they have been very good at delivering what they promised over the long haul. All of them still work fine. Even the old guy delivers.
ToiletFlushShowerScream@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Damn it I already own own one. I guess I funded this cunt corporate move
FlyingSpaceCow@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Me too. Invested in my setup last year :(
laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
Well, I had been considering one, but I guess not
Xanza@lemm.ee 11 months ago
It sucks, because all things considered, they’re great little devices. I really like mine.
laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
That’s what I’ve heard… Getting real tired of people building great products only for corpos to find a way to make it terrible for an extra buck
thequickben@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I own a Synology NAS. It’ll be the first and last one I buy. When I need an upgrade I’ll go back to building my own again.
Wiz@midwest.social 11 months ago
I was thinking of buying a Synology system. I was actually looking at prices this past week.
That being said, I’ve got an old 2019 desktop running Windows that is coming to the end of its support, that I was considering making a Linux machine.
How complex is making a roll-your-own NAS?
dai@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Really depends on what you want out of the system, what you can spend and how much time you want to spend on it.
My old z390 itx system has a 16x PCIE to 4x m.2 card - leveraging an m.2 to 5x SATA adaptor with the built in SATA adaptors has given it plenty of space.
Considering I can grab m.2 to 6 SATA adaptors and fill the remainder of the slots that’s a decent chunk of drives from a single PCIE x16 slot.
Software is another kettle of fish and a good way to timesink, I’d rather not give too much of my personal experience as there are so many ways to skin that cat.
InFerNo@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
I have mini-ITX board in a mini case. 4 bays, 16 GB RAM of DDR3-L and a slow but very low TDP CPU. This thing is very low power but it’s on 24/7.
Runs home assistant with zigbee, rtl433 and whatever it detects over the network. A few older game servers (minecraft, minetest/luanti, quake 2), miniDLNA, … Arch Linux, so rolling release and always up to date with the latest versions.
Served me greatly and I haven’t upgraded because it still does what I want and I can’t find any modern CPU with a TDP this low.
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 11 months ago
How complex is making a roll-your-own NAS?
It really depends on what you want out of it. I personally installed ProxMox on an old gaming machine (DDR3 RAM old lol) and have an Open Media Vault virtual machine running on it with access to my ZFS mirrored pair of storage drives.
Enabling Samba support in Open Media Vault gives you a nice little NAS. I believe it’s okay to install bare metal if you really want to also.
It also has a nice Docker interface, so although I should probably not bundle services together so tightly, it runs things like Jellyfin for media, Paperless NGX for document storage, and NextCloud AIO for a convenient (if slightly resource-hungry) interface.
ProxMox lets me do fun things though, like back up the VMs, spin up virtual machines for PiHole ad blocking and Klipper for controlling my 3D printer.
My most important data gets synced to a subscription to a service called iDrive as my offsite. Pretty affordable for 5TB and my own encryption keys. :)
I want to stress that I’m not an IT professional or anything either. If you’re reasonably comfortable with Linux and understand some basic networking, I’d say at least getting Proxmox and/or Open Media Vault up and running so you can access it on your home network isn’t too hard.
Outside of that, and if you want HTTPS and stuff? There’s lots of guides but I would recommend using TailScale instead of opening any ports to the web.
Sorry if this post was meandering but hope it gave you a little bit to go on! :)
thequickben@lemm.ee 11 months ago
It’s not too complicated but you don’t get some things for free like with Synology. It require work to setup scripts for offsite backup for example whereas Synology has a backup app with a UI.
For storage, I used to run ZFS in a raidZ2 configuration. If you do this then I suggest having a cron job running a script that can alert you if the pool is unhealthy. This is again something that Synology does for free.
You could also look up trueNAS core and see if that’s something that fits for you.
flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Guess I am going to be taking my “pro-sumer” dollars elsewhere.
frog_brawler@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Plllbbbbbb @ Synology - I just got one of these and added 2x 4TB ssds this week. I’ll eventually add 2x more but for now I’m set: gmktec.com/…/intel-twin-lake-n150-dual-system-4-b…
Fingers crossed that it doesn’t blow up or crap out.
Lemmchen@feddit.org 11 months ago
Jeff Geerling: www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_Ft8OAPQ3g
frog_brawler@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Absolutely wild timing on this video. I built mine on Wednesday. I installed OpenMediaVault on mine. The one I bought was $30 cheaper to not have that Win 11 1TB drive. I would have wiped that anyway, and have no use for a 1TB drive.
I started mine off with heatsinks on my SSDs. Those are running at 53 C since being powered up on Wednesday after work. I didn’t go crazy with the heatsinks that pop out of the bottom or anything though, his were pretty funny to see.
Cort@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Tldw: get some thin heat syncs 75-80c temps on the ssds
ohshit604@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
This is why I chose an ASUS nuc + external bay-storage for my home networking needs.
lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
So you built your own NAS, then.
NAS is just an acronym, “Network Attached Storage”. Not a singular line of products.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Why would anyone even use Synology?
Just buy a pc with big hard drives
Konraddo@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Without technical know-how or experience in general using NAS, Synology is a good first-time option. All apps are ready for immediate use. And don’t forget the majority of computer users don’t even know what a NAS is and they simply want to store files for remote access.
Scrath@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
My personal reasons for buying a synology were ease of use, reliability and power usage.
I had previously played around with TrueNAS in a VM using an external USB HDD Enclosure for storage and I just wanted something reliable. With TrueNAS I often ran into issues eith user permissions one way or another and the Synology software is incredibly easy to use and foolproof.
primemagnus@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Hi. I’d like the word “pro-sumer” banned. In perpetuity.
Lemmchen@feddit.org 11 months ago
Why?
Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Are we overreacting? Hasn’t Synology always had a list of “certified” drives for their NAS’, which end up being the same HDDs we would tend to use anyway?
I can understand that they don’t want people using any garbage storage drives, which could increase failure and make Synology NAS’ look unreliable.
Unless something has changed, this is how they’ve always done it, just like how every laptop manufacturer will say which RAM and storage works best (for reliability and performance) on their machines.
otter@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
They’re disabling features
Synology, maker of network-attached storage (NAS) devices, will seemingly remove advanced features from its Plus devices that are not using hard drives provided by, or certified by, Synology itself, starting with its 2025 lineup.
What you might lose from using non-Synology-approved hard drives could include pool creation and support for any issues. De-duplication, lifespan analysis, and automatic HDD firmware updates could also disappear on non-approved drives, Synology’s press release suggests.
Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Yes, but is this them being assholes, or them wanting to make sure that users aren’t making their system unreliable? I think there would be a huge distinction there.
For example, say a user wanted to create a cache drive using an SSD. But because the user doesn’t know better, they buy the cheapest crap they can find, install it, and set up caching. But because they’re using cheap shit, the drive is slow and the user reports poor performance, system hangups, and other instability.
Wouldn’t it be in Synology’s best interest to say “here’s a list of drives we know will give you the best experience.”?
Now, Synology has already done that, but users are ignoring it and continue to use poor storage drives expecting to use pretty sophisticated features. What now? Well, Synology disables those features.
For example:
De-duplication, lifespan analysis, and automatic HDD firmware updates could also disappear on non-approved drives
Um, yeah. That makes sense. If a shitty hard drive can’t reliably get firmware updates through the NAS, why on earth would they want to keep that option enabled? Same with lifespan analysis. If a crappy drive isn’t using modern standards and protocols for measuring and logging errors and performance data, Synology really can’t “enable” this to work, can they?
That’s what I think is happening. Although, this could be just greed, too. I don’t think there’s any real problem for most users, unless they say that we can’t use fairly common, high-quality NAS drives from Seagate or WD and must use their own branded drives. I’d have a huge problem with that.
hddsx@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Isn’t synology basically a Linux system with lots of slots for storage? Can’t you just… buy a pi?
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
In regards to performance? Probably yes.
In regards to IO connectivity? It depends.
Maybe with something like a PCIe to SAS/SATA backplane?
Alloi@lemmy.world 11 months ago
i was considering these devices for my home media set up, now im just building my own NAS with some old parts i had laying around and using open source software.
fuck this shit.
lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
Remember, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with buying a used 7th gen Intel PC and filling that with [insert drive of choice].
Kagu@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
Is the main appeal of prebuilt NAS cases the aesthetics and the reduction of DIY concerns?
Because they seem to me like overpriced and underpowered computers. Most tech-oriented folks I know have more powerful PCs in a closet somewhere that they could easily convert into a NAS
AustralianSimon@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Reliability. We’ve put them in small businesses and they do their job very well VS a frankenpc NAS.
Horsey@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I think the biggest draw to Synology now is the ultra low power consumption. Yeah, you could totally repurpose an old PC, but it’s crazy to run 500W perpetually. The reason they use old Celeron processors is the low power draw. In time, hopefully, RISC V can produce some low cost systems that would slot in well for this use case.
Kagu@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
Obviously everything depends on use case. I definitely am a tinkerer and prefer options. I’d never run a jellyfin server of a synology NAS cause… Well cause it can’t transcode very well. So efficiency is less of a concern than processing power.
I get now that my questions was a bit moot, obviously some people will pay a premium for a narrow use case if it brings reliability and ease of use.
greyfox@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You are paying for reasonably well polished software, which for non technical people makes them a very good choice.
They have one click module installs for a lot of the things that self hosted people would want to run. If you want Plex, a onedrive clone, photo sync on your phone, etc just click a button and they handle installing and most of the maintenance of running that software for you. Obviously these are available on other open source NAS appliances now too so this isn’t much of a differnentiator for them anymore, but they were one of the first to do this.
I use them for their NVR which there are open source alternatives for but they aren’t nearly as polished, user friendly, or feature rich.
Their backup solution is also reasonably good for some home labs and small business use cases. If you have a VMware lab at home for instance it can connect to your vCenter and it do incremental backups of your VMs. There is an agent for Windows machines as well so you can keep laptops/desktops backed up.
For businesses there are backup options for Office365/Google Workspace where it can keep backups of your email/calendar/onedrive/SharePoint/etc. So there are a lot of capabilities there that aren’t really well covered with open source tools right now.
I run my own built NAS for mass storage because anything over two drives is way too expensive from Synology and I specifically wanted ZFS, but the two drive units were priced low enough to buy just for the software. If you want a set and forget NAS they were a pretty good solution.
If their drives are reasonably priced maybe they will still be an okay choice for some people, but we all know the point of this is for them to make more money so that is unlikely. There are alternatives like Qnap, but unless you specifically need one of their software components either build it yourself or grab one of the open source NAS distros.
Kagu@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
I see! Thanks so much for the thoughtful response definitely seems like there’s a use case for people who might be more creatives with a need for storage rather than self-hosting enthusiasts who want to mess around in a homelab.
The prices are still a bit eye watering but you pay for software support for sure.
TedZanzibar@feddit.uk 11 months ago
I am a tech oriented person, I work in IT, and a Syno ticks the boxes in many respects.
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Low power draw. Power efficiency is very important to me, especially for something that runs 24/7. I don’t know how efficient self-build options are these days, but 10 years ago I couldn’t get close to the efficiency of a good NAS.
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Set and forget. I maintain enough systems at work so I don’t really want to spend all of my free time maintaining my own. A Syno “just works”, it can run for months or years without a reboot (and when it does need one, it does it by itself overnight), and I can easily upgrade or swap a dead drive in a couple of minutes. When the entire NAS dies I can stick the drives in a new one and be up and running almost instantly.
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Size and noise. I don’t have a massive house, so I need something that can sit on a shelf and be unobtrusive. In our last house it was literally sat in the living room, spinning drives constantly, and nobody was bothered by it.
The Syno I have is plenty good enough to run a bunch of Docker containers and a few VMs for all of my self hosted stuff, and it just does the job efficiently, quietly, and without complaining or needing constant maintenance.
I don’t like this creep towards requiring branded drives and memory, though I’m pretty sure it’s not legal in the EU. Regardless there are ways around it.
Scrath@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
One question in regards to your noise comment: What drives are you running? I have a synology with 2 toshiba mg08 16tb drives and those things are unbearably loud when reading or writing. A lot of that obviously comes down to the drives themselves but I also kind of blame the plastic chassis for probably resonating with the noise and not being better at soundproofing.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
We use DS223j’s at work for our clients as backup targets.
Fast to set up and configure from a total beginner up to experienced IT personal.
And I set up NFS, Samba and ACLs in my own Debian NAS.
It aint so sleek and braindead-simple like a Syno does it.pineapplelover@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Yeah I agree, I set up a synology as a little summer project and I didn’t want to go out and source parts and put a nas Linux distro to do everything myself. Synology is newbie friendly and kind of holds your hand to do everything even dynamic dns. However, if I were to get another nas, I would be more comfortable setting it up myself.
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lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 11 months ago
1U form factor, 4 disks, using 7w whilst idle, decent enough CPU to run 1 Linux VM
I bought an RS822+ for as a veeam Linux repo.
I can’t make that myself, or I don’t know how.
It was stupid expensive and if it wasn’t the business paying I would have probably put a bunch of disks into an HP elite desk.
marauding_gibberish142@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
Just lol at Synology trying to do an Nvidia
marauding_gibberish142@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
Synology is like Ubiquity in the self-hosted community: sure it’s self-hosted, but it’s definitely not yours. End of the day you get to deal with their decisions.
Terramaster lets you run your own OS on their machine. That’s basically what a homelabber wants: a good chassis and components. I couldn’t see a reason to buy a Synology after Terramaster and Ugreen started ramping out their product lines which let you run whatever OS you wanted. Synology at this point is for people who either don’t know what they’re doing or want to remain hands-off with storage management (which is valid; you don’t want to do more work when you get home for work). Unfortunately, such customers are now out in the lurch, so TrueNAS or trust some other company to hold your data safe.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
Lol! Not like uGreen put any roadblocks to running your own OS (like disabling the watch dog feature in the BIOS and some other setting to enable custom boot).
And you don’t have any fan control on their NAS. Either you estimate and configure correcrly or you need to schedule downtime.
Actual servers let you live tune (some of) the power settings. Synology supports changing the fan profile in the live OS.monogram@feddit.nl 11 months ago
Damn I was really happy for ugreen, terrormaster it is then.
rumba@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
They should be careful, they’re just selling small form factor computers with removable drive bays. Standing up and unraid or a true Naz isn’t all that difficult. And then there’s plenty of competition out there ready and willing to eat their lunch.
kurcatovium@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I was looking at simple 2 bay home NAS and Synology was - quite logically - one of the contenders. Now I’m glad I ordered differently. Went with Asustor AS5402, which might be not as polished package as a Synology option, but they’re very open about it and say it’s just regular PC so you can instal e.g. TrueNAS if you want. This openness convinced me.
foggy@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Synology is made for the tech literate tech idiot.
They solve one problem and create a dozen more. That problem not only doesn’t need a physical solution, it doesn’t need to be a standalone device. It doesn’t need its own shitty proprietary operating system.
Anyways. Fuck them.
cortex7979@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Would love to hear why the problem doesn’t need a physical solution, if you want total control
dgdft@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Synology runs a proprietary OS OOTB that’s had multiple sloppy vulns exposing full remote access to users’ files. Putting your data in the hands of fuckups who have and will continue to leak it is the opposite of total control.
It’s completely trivial to store any data you want to in a cloud provider 100% securely just by piping it through openssl before uploading.
foggy@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You literally just move the goalposts.
Allero@lemmy.today 11 months ago
That’s a massive shot in the foot.
As a Synology owner, I already had enough - they have arbitrarily cut support to sanctioned jurisdictions, leaving me without the support I expected when paying for a device.
Next one will definitely be built from the ground up.
AustralianSimon@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I get why they do this sort of thing but it didn’t stop us re-adding video station and h265 support back into our Synos.
Someone already made a script to overwrite the existing compatible drive checker so someone will write a new script to fix the new one.
Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 11 months ago
Oh, snap, bringing me the magic I need, but didn’t know to look for.
I’ve been refusing to update because of video station. Looks like I’m saving your comment for later.
AustralianSimon@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The real shame is they didn’t open source the app on decom.
Cyber@feddit.uk 11 months ago
Critical Synology Vulnerability Let Attackers Remote Execute Arbitrary Code
Just build your own. It’s easy. Move on.
just_another_person@lemmy.world 11 months ago
This will not end well for them.
halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I had been considering upgrading, my current 4 bay Synology is physically full, and running out of space. Moving that to a larger Synology box and adding drives is easiest.
But now instead I’ll probably just switch to a more traditional NAS instead. Run TrueNAS, or maybe give HexOS a look. If I’m going to have to convert from my current proprietary Synology filesystem anyway I might as well rebuild from scratch. As it is I’ve shifted all the services off the Synology and Docker to a dedicated Proxmox box.
mbirth@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
Once my DS415+ (with the C2000 fix) finally dies, I’ll most probably go with a Terramaster F4-423. They have an internal USB-port with their OS which you can replace and install a custom OS to it. And it’s basically just an Intel NUC with a storage controller in a nice package. So, pretty much compatible with the usual OSes and NAS softwares.
AustralianSimon@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Grab one of the 8 bays now, this won’t affect anything currently released. I don’t see me having to retire my 1813+ or 1819+ (both 8bay) anytime soon and both are 4+ years old without a hiccup.
halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Why bother with that? That’s gonna be $1000 just for the box alone, and still lock me into the Synology ecosystem.
I can build a NAS with more capability for less than that. Like taking a Jonsbo NAS case and have the freedom to do whatever I want with it, with plenty of space to move everything else I’m running over to that as well. Even their N5 would likely be less expensive, and I’d have room for 12 HDDs and 4 SSDs then.
tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 6 months ago
That’s why I don’t tie myself to a specific company. DIY NASers, unite!