Synology could bring “certified drive” requirements to more NAS devices

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• marauding_gibberish142@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Just lol at Synology trying to do an Nvidia

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• ZeldaFreak@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yeah I expected that this would happen. They already did this with RAM. They just rebrand RAM, sell it for a way higher price and add a check. When they brought their own branded HDDs, I knew they will pull of the same scam.

  Building an own server isn’t that more expensive and you don’t have to deal with the whole lockout with Synology. For example I had quite the issue to access hardware. I wasn’t able to get Home Assistant running on my NAS. The issue was my Zigbee USB Stick. I got it running to the point where I was able to send commands (e.g. turn on or off lights) but the status didn’t came back. I threw it on my Pi3 (now Pi5) and zero issues.

  The next NAS is self build. Probably Proxmox as base, with truenas or so as main server and the rest depends on what I might need.

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• Xartle@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’m not saying that they won’t do this, but so far their actual actions have ended up pretty decent. I’ve had 3 Synology devices over the last 12(?) years, and while they are not perfect, they have been very good at delivering what they promised over the long haul. All of them still work fine. Even the old guy delivers.

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• Showroom7561@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Are we overreacting? Hasn’t Synology always had a list of “certified” drives for their NAS’, which end up being the same HDDs we would tend to use anyway?

  I can understand that they don’t want people using any garbage storage drives, which could increase failure and make Synology NAS’ look unreliable.

  Unless something has changed, this is how they’ve always done it, just like how every laptop manufacturer will say which RAM and storage works best (for reliability and performance) on their machines.

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  • otter@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They’re disabling features

    Synology, maker of network-attached storage (NAS) devices, will seemingly remove advanced features from its Plus devices that are not using hard drives provided by, or certified by, Synology itself, starting with its 2025 lineup.

    What you might lose from using non-Synology-approved hard drives could include pool creation and support for any issues. De-duplication, lifespan analysis, and automatic HDD firmware updates could also disappear on non-approved drives, Synology’s press release suggests.

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    • Showroom7561@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yes, but is this them being assholes, or them wanting to make sure that users aren’t making their system unreliable? I think there would be a huge distinction there.

      For example, say a user wanted to create a cache drive using an SSD. But because the user doesn’t know better, they buy the cheapest crap they can find, install it, and set up caching. But because they’re using cheap shit, the drive is slow and the user reports poor performance, system hangups, and other instability.

      Wouldn’t it be in Synology’s best interest to say “here’s a list of drives we know will give you the best experience.”?

      Now, Synology has already done that, but users are ignoring it and continue to use poor storage drives expecting to use pretty sophisticated features. What now? Well, Synology disables those features.

      For example:

      De-duplication, lifespan analysis, and automatic HDD firmware updates could also disappear on non-approved drives

      Um, yeah. That makes sense. If a shitty hard drive can’t reliably get firmware updates through the NAS, why on earth would they want to keep that option enabled? Same with lifespan analysis. If a crappy drive isn’t using modern standards and protocols for measuring and logging errors and performance data, Synology really can’t “enable” this to work, can they?

      That’s what I think is happening. Although, this could be just greed, too. I don’t think there’s any real problem for most users, unless they say that we can’t use fairly common, high-quality NAS drives from Seagate or WD and must use their own branded drives. I’d have a huge problem with that.

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• halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I had been considering upgrading, my current 4 bay Synology is physically full, and running out of space. Moving that to a larger Synology box and adding drives is easiest.

  But now instead I’ll probably just switch to a more traditional NAS instead. Run TrueNAS, or maybe give HexOS a look. If I’m going to have to convert from my current proprietary Synology filesystem anyway I might as well rebuild from scratch. As it is I’ve shifted all the services off the Synology and Docker to a dedicated Proxmox box.

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  • mbirth@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Once my DS415+ (with the C2000 fix) finally dies, I’ll most probably go with a Terramaster F4-423. They have an internal USB-port with their OS which you can replace and install a custom OS to it. And it’s basically just an Intel NUC with a storage controller in a nice package. So, pretty much compatible with the usual OSes and NAS softwares.

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  • AustralianSimon@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Grab one of the 8 bays now, this won’t affect anything currently released. I don’t see me having to retire my 1813+ or 1819+ (both 8bay) anytime soon and both are 4+ years old without a hiccup.

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    • halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Why bother with that? That’s gonna be $1000 just for the box alone, and still lock me into the Synology ecosystem.

      I can build a NAS with more capability for less than that. Like taking a Jonsbo NAS case and have the freedom to do whatever I want with it, with plenty of space to move everything else I’m running over to that as well. Even their N5 would likely be less expensive, and I’d have room for 12 HDDs and 4 SSDs then.

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• ClydapusGotwald@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I have a synology I bought 3rd party ram (not synology) and it works fine. Same with drives just bought some seagate drives. Probably going to upgrade from a 4 bay to a 12 and I don’t see compatibility of ram being an issue. I just don’t feel like building a whole racked system I just want to plug and play and forget. As of now tho only thing I lose is warranty cause I’m using not “certified” ram and drives.

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• pineapple@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  For me at least I never considered a synology nas it seemed like the apple of home servers. Especially when I enjoy building machines anyway there was no point. Although I can definitely see the appeal for some people.

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• hddsx@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Isn’t synology basically a Linux system with lots of slots for storage? Can’t you just… buy a pi?

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  • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    In regards to performance? Probably yes.
    In regards to IO connectivity? It depends.
    Maybe with something like a PCIe to SAS/SATA backplane?

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