windows is not user friendly
In the latest Windows 11 preview build, Microsoft removed the “bypassnro” command, which let users skip signing into a Microsoft Account when installing Windows.
Submitted 1 year ago by Tea@programming.dev to technology@lemmy.world
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index@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Tuxman@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Exactly!
My answer to everyone saying “but Linux is hard…!”
No, it’s DIFFERENT!!
If using Cinnamon was your first learning experience on a computer, you’d think Windows is the worst user experience in the world!
cmlael67@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Exactly. And if you use a desktop like Cinnamon or KDE Plasma, it really isn’t that different, other than how you install software. I fully believe anyone can use it. Especially since the majority of computer users tend to only use them for browsing the web, email and light gaming. The learning curve is minimal.
GoumLeChat@jlai.lu 1 year ago
I’ve been using computers long enough to know how to do my own tech support (also I’m in IT for a few years, it sure does help). Been using Mint daily for more than a month now and I’m convinced average people can use it (or equivalent : Ubuntu, Pop…) hassle free.
But people must also accept to learn a bit about computers. Most don’t know and don’t want to.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’ve always thought that Unix (and therefore Linux) was much more internally consistent and accessible than Windows ever was.
Everything is in places that kind of make sense, there’s heaps of documentation that comes with the system, you can set it up how you like it, you can see everything… There are actual logs that aren’t hex gobbledygook…
gruhuken@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
I switched to Linux a few weeks back and setting up the work printer on my laptop took 2 seconds as opposed to the normal 10 minutes. I was gobsmacked
Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I’M OKAY WITH MAKING A WINDOWS ACCOUNT. I’M JUST NOT OKAY WITH MY ~/ PATH BEING C:/Users/Jacobuedhbcuycbdhh55674c4bhdncy6448774/ THIS CAN BE FIXED BY CREATING A LOCAL USER AND THEN SIGNING IN
Hudell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Is that how it is these days? If I log with my Microsoft account on a Windows device, the username used is only part of my first name. It always annoyed be that it was cut in a very unnatural way and I had no way to change it. I searched for some way to fix it and what I found said it was auto generated way back in the first time I used it on a windows pc and that it was saved in my account in some attribute that nothing ever updates.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Maybe your parents should have picked a better name then.
GoumLeChat@jlai.lu 1 year ago
Surp@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Meanwhile everyone here saying they switching to Linux (which is perfectly fine) have chik-fil-a and McDonald’s accounts probably 🤣😆🤣
gruhuken@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
I’ve been boycotting McDonalds since October 2023 mate what are u on
samuelazers@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I do have a mcD app on my phone! My second phone with only untrusted apps and a fake gmail.
myplacedk@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You’re not getting the point.
A: You csn shop there without an account. It’s your own choice. An account has pros and cons, and it’s your choice.
B: I don’t know how it works in US, but in my country a McDonald’s account is a fair deal to me. They pay me a fair price for some personal info. And if I go to McDonald’s and I for any reason feel like they shouldn’t register that particular visit, I just don’t use my account.
C: I want to use Windows, but logging into a Microsoft account does not give me any benefits worth the cons. So I use Windows without a Microsoft account. And it will be annoying to keep track of a “fake” account just for that.
pogmommy@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
I mean, that’s kind of a whole separate thing. An account in a mobile food ordering app is significantly less invasive than an account on your whole entire operating system- like, laughably so.
Never mind that one is on your mobile device, which is an incredibly invasive surveillance device as-is for all except those with enough dedication and paranoia. Conversely, a desktop is at least conceptually much more practical to harden for privacy.
For what it’s worth I guess, I do not use mobile food ordering applications or accounts.
freeman@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
We’re removing the bypassnro.cmd script from the build to enhance security and user experience of Windows 11. This change ensures that all users exit setup with internet connectivity and a Microsoft Account.
Any windows fanboy cares to explain how this supposedly enhances a user’s security?
The spin on requiring an internet connection being phrased as ‘ensures all users exit setup with internet connectivity’ is amazing too.
sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 1 year ago
It increases security ^of the Microsoft share price^
smeenz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Not wanting to seem like a windows fanboi in the slightest, but… I guess they’re saying that if you log in to your windows box using their cloud authentication, then they can better protect your account, force regular password changes, force password complexity requirements… and because they’re in a position to see all auth attempts against that account, they can react to attacks… having said that. a lot of those advantages go away if you’re not actually connected to the internet… but then, you also lose automatic updates… it’s a difficult question… I can see how it could be better for a non computer-savvy user to log in using a microsoft account, but that also makes is worse and more frustrating for advanced users who don’t want to touch microsoft’s cloud at all. I guess they made the decision based on what was better for the majority of users.
brbposting@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Thank you
Y’all is this true:
No one would accidentally enter the special anti-spyware command so they’re screwing the 1% who are privacy hawks without benefiting the 99% who were already dark patterned into online accounts.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
then they can better protect your account, force regular password changes, force password complexity requirements…
if that was the goal, they wouldn’t be saying on the password input screen to “choose the most simple password”, and especially they wouldn’t accept that field to be left blank
if you are not logged in, they can’t setup onedrive to automatically steal all pictures and documents of the unsuspecting user, and they can’t setup bitlocker with a cloud key that they could use to lock you out of all your data when they think so
TeddE@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That’s what they’re saying - it’s not true, but it is what they’re saying.
nodiratime@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s double speak.
FauxLiving@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s like when they say “We value your privacy” it really means “Selling your data is worth a lot of money/value to me”.
“User Security” means “We want to secure customers/users for our cloud services by forcing a login to a microsoft account”
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
ive been on windows all my life but as of last week it’s the first time that ive had zero windows machines in my life since i installed linux mint on them. ive never been happier.
nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
as soon as i had arch linux set up in the bathroom i sat down to take a wet crap and said ooooh god yea FRRSSHHHFFTTGTTTBBLPP fuuuuuck yeah that’s good
Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Wow for some reason that’s weirdly attractive.
Flemmy@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Windows 11 has had enough red flags for me to switch to tablet, since modern PC’s are way over performing to my needs anyway. Windows 11 experience was like a pilot for the HAL A.I. from a Space Odyssey.
cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
This will be the year of the Linux desktop.
pogmommy@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
If Microsoft keeps fucking up at every turn, it seems like at some point the only thing that’ll keep them afloat is workplace/education investments in their environment. Seems like they’re even losing their grip on being the default OS preinstalled on non-apple PC hardware and the advantage that provided.
thecoffeehobbit@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
I personally know three, myself included, who are switching right now.
dan69@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Funny u say that, I’ve switched! 🐧
Valmond@lemmy.world 1 year ago
One of us!
MTK@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Great even more reasons to avoid it
Grimtuck@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’ve got my first son or daughter on the way, I’m thinking they might be learning Linux as their first OS
captainjaneway@lemmy.world 1 year ago
[deleted]Mwa@lemm.ee 1 year ago
The only difference I see both try to follow posix macos follows the unix specification linux doesn’t and that’s about it
pogmommy@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
I mean compared to some elements of windows, yeah Linux is more similar to macos. But compared to other elements of macos, Linux is more similar to windows. But to say it’s super similar to either one in particular is kind of missing what makes each of them what they are.
Macos and Linux skills and fluency aren’t significantly more transferable than between Linux and Windows. They’re three pieces of software that ultimately try to do the same thing, but go about it in drastically different ways. There are only so many ways from your house to the grocery store, so some of them are bound to cross.
pivot_root@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Uh… what? They only thing they have in common is following the POSIX standard. The moment you step outside of that POSIX lowest common denominator, it becomes abundantly clear just how different they are.
r_deckard@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Well, if I’ve got no way to bypass it (when setting up for customers), I’ll create an account specifically for this purpose.
And proceed to poison the hell out of any data it sends.
Does it still let you sign in locally if you disable network interfaces in BIOS?
claymore@pawb.social 1 year ago
Couldn’t you just reinstall windows with an older ISO to bypass this? That’s what I already do at work anytime I need to setup a new machine, gets rid of the manufacturer supplied
programsbloatware. Plus Rufus has an option for triggering the bypass command automatically.r_deckard@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yes, that works, too.
FireWire400@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Does it still let you sign in locally if you disable network interfaces in BIOS?
Don’t think so. The setup itself can’t complete without internet.
ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I would have been spiteful enough to return my new laptop (despite needing it for a trip I had in a couple of days) if I wasn’t able to bypass the account requirement by disabling the wifi.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Man it must suck to set up a computer now on restricted networks.
Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
I feel like this won’t stop anyone who was already refusing to use a Microsoft account for windows. Anyone who was already bypassing the account requirement will still do so, it just will be more difficult. They’ve accomplished nothing except further pissing off some of their most competent user base.
reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
They’ve accomplished nothing except further pissing off some of their most competent user base.
I don’t think they’ve cared about the competent users for a very long time. They only want the users who click
OKorNextwithout reading or thinking.PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yup. Competent nerds like us make up about 0.0002% of their earnings. The big business is in corporate, and the hordes of plebs as a distant second.
ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
Hey all what do you suggest for a school and game dev laptop with Linux for a ~$2k budget? I’ve been eyeballing framework but keep hearing mixed things
turnip@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
System76.
gruhuken@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
Any Lenovo laptop is a very safe bet!
milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 1 year ago
They’re probably okay, but I’ve avoided Lenovo since that one time they injected their own certificate authority to break all your internet security and middle-man in their own ads (and spy on you? Who knows?).
jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 1 year ago
I like Thinkpad T and X series
slembcke@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
My 2c from buying Linux laptops. I had an 11th gen System 76 Lemur Pro that was pretty great. (20 - 30 hour battery life, no joke…) Well… until it started failing. I had to send it it multiple times to be repaired under warranty. Their service and support was the worst I’ve ever experienced, and the final time it took 6 weeks to get it fixed. Then it promptly died again just out of warranty. :( I replaced it with an AMD Framework as a very early adopter in batch 1. It’s been great so far other than a couple Mesa related bugs that came up, but nothing so bad as to make me regret it. It’s not as polished as an Apple product, but has a similar price. That’s maybe the worst thing I can say about it.
spiderhamster@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I like both of my laptops so far but have mixed feelings on both. I know it’s not a lot to go on but here’s been my experience so far. Dell XPS 15 and my new framework. Sorry, don’t know the model name.
Two days ago I received a framework laptop for work but haven’t been able to test anything other than installing Kubuntu. It was shipped to me from my employer so they had the final say in how it was configured but a few things went wrong. Not sure whose fault it was but in the end it’s still fine. I configured it to have a mix of usb-c and usb-a ports, 3.5mm audio, and display port. It came with six usb-c modules. Fine. I can live with that. The thing that really made me mad was that I requested a keyboard with no Windows key and to have no OS installed. It came with Windows 11 installed and had the Windows key on the keyboard. I don’t know who messed up but I’m not mad enough to do or say anything about. I do like that repairs and changes on this machine will be easier/possible. Oh…audio worked right away too so that was nice. Already better than the Dell XPS I bought with my own money and has crackling audio due to hardware not software issues. Works fine through an audio interface but the speakers sound like ass. I should have returned that machine right away.
Pirata@lemm.ee 1 year ago
bought with my own money and has crackling audio due to hardware not software issues. Works fine through an audio interface but the speakers sound like ass.
If its any consolidation my HP Envy, which is a normal consumer laptop that comes with windows, had that same crackling noise if I hold it at a weird angle.
I should have sent it back as well, but frankly that’s just the state of the market RN. Companies don’t give a f, even large ones.
jasoman@lemmy.world 1 year ago
To be fair, this is home and not pro.
LupertEverett@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It doesn’t state anything of the sort in the article. Where did you read that?
jasoman@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Perfessional experience installing windows.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Good to know, but I will never sign into windows with an MS account at home. Fuck everything about this. It’s either old build or 11 or still use 10 for the games I like, or I use Linux. Use that primarily as it is anyways.
jasoman@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Indeed I am also the same.
real_squids@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Do they still make enterprise/ltsc/iot versions for 11? Because those are usually the ones that don’t treat you like a child, and I expect them to retain that
BritishJ@lemmy.world 1 year ago
They do indeed, Enterprise still comes with a load of bloat thesedays.
jasoman@lemmy.world 1 year ago
There has always been join domain under sign in options.
the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Microsoft it the best ad for linux.
muhyb@programming.dev 1 year ago
Didn’t Microsoft do the same thing with Windows 10 and EU prevented that?
comador@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yup and this change will neither apply to the EU nor Enterprise 11 Customers. Guaranteed.
TwinTitans@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Just one more reason to skip Windows 11…
db2@lemmy.world 1 year ago
bypassw11.exe
samuelazers@lemmy.world 1 year ago
W10 LTSC has support until 2032 😎
Civil_Liberty@lemm.ee 1 year ago
samuelazers@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Let me know how that goes!
I used the 21H2 Enterprise IoT version, for personal use, i can’t share openly how i obtained it.
Here are the versions of W10 and their extended support dates. learn.microsoft.com/en-us/…/release-information
(Since you said you are a enterprise user, I am not sure what is the eligibility for IoT exactly, but for non-IoT, you can go up to 2029 with version 1809)
Upgrading from W10 to W10 Enterprise IoT was as simple as a few clicks, no need to reinstall.
Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
Holy SHIT they made a version with the worst stiff removed AND they’re going to maintain it longer? That is the version everybody should be using.
I’m slowly switching to linux but there are things I’m going to need Windows for for the foreseeable future, and I think I’ve found how I can make that happen. Thank you.
lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
It’s used for industrial applications like manufacturing and whatnot, stuff that really doesn’t need to be updated regularly since the software is effectively legacy.
Hell, we’ve got tools from the 2000s still running Win2k.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
yes but they make it hard to access, and it has legal issues too so you maybe shouldn’t use it in a business setting
nullroot@lemmy.world 1 year ago
1809 gang rise up
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
what happened in 1903 that made you say enough?
samuelazers@lemmy.world 1 year ago