October is going to be a great month to get a cheap second hand computer.
Microsoft tells Windows 10 users to just trade in their PC for a newer one, because how hard can it be?
Submitted 4 weeks ago by moe90@feddit.nl to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.xda-developers.com/microsoft-tells-windows-10-users-trade-in-pc/
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sneezycat@sopuli.xyz 4 weeks ago
neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
It’s online corps offload computers but there will be a delay and many will just have the extended windows 10 supports. So I’d give it another year.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
Good time to start looking for a good deal on cheap home lab crap though.
sovereign@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
ooo and I bet they won’t be that bad all things considered with how wild some of the non supported hardware is.
kescusay@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Translation: “Install Linux.”
Enkers@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
I really want to put Linux on my gaming PC, but I’m doubtful I can get my Rift S working on there. :/
Apparently there is an openxr driver for it, so I suppose I should at least give it a shot.
zenpocalypse@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Nobara or Pop! OS would be good choices.
Yeah, VR is still catching up, but I feel like (dual) booting to Win 10 just for specific purposes would greatly reduce the risk.
domi@lemmy.secnd.me 4 weeks ago
Your best shot is with Monado, which supports the Rift S: monado.freedesktop.org
I only have an Index, so I can’t speak for how well it works or how easy it is to setup.
sir_pronoun@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I got my meta quest 2 working on Linux, so you should definitely just try :)
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
Yeah, this is why I never got into VR, the Linux support blows even if you get a supported headset because the games aren’t made for Linux. There are some games, sure, but it’s not worth spending $1k+ on an Index.
I’ll use it once the barrier to entry drops.
DrDystopia@lemy.lol 4 weeks ago
As someone who routinely used to sink thousands of hours into games, and by that I mean 3000 hrs. on R6-3, 2500 hrs. on Squad and so on, the predatory practices of Microsoft, Steam and game developers have just turned me off gaming completely.
inbeesee@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Kinda excited to go all the way and swap my last holdout. The last thing Windows forces me to do.
WhiteBurrito@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I would, except there’s always some software or some feature missing. And there’s always the FOSS app that “might” meet “some” aspects of what native software does but it’s almost always never “native” support.
Sure, I know I can play MOST games on Linux, but I know for a fact they’ll launch on windows.
Or things like, sure, I know that my corsair Hardware MIGHT be controlled by signal RGB, but what about controlling the pump in my AIO? Or the sound levels on ny headset? Or the DPI in my mouse?
Then you have things like drivers. I’m not using any Nvidia GPUs right now, but the nvidia support for Linux is atrocious and you lose access to things like RTX-HDR and RTX Voice, and hell, even in AMD you lose access to certain features like AMFM2.
Then the software, not only does things like Adobe or Office just don’t exist, the FOSS solutions are not industry standard, so sure, I can learn to use LibreOffice, but that’s worth absolutely nothing when you apply for a corporate job and they expect you to know how to use outlook as a bare minimum, hell, even the Google office suite is being adopted faster… Ah, but if the software is available there’s still a chance it doesn’t work because it’s missing a dependency or something and you have to ask people to use the terminal and… Sigh
All in all, it’s just behind in many ways, sure, for some people it’s ok, and for laptops I’d think is mostly ok, great even. But I know I could deal with Linux, and I don’t want to troubleshoot a whole PC to play a game when I already spend the whole day dealing with solving issues or servers or services on my job.
I’m rooting for Steam OS to release to desktops because my living room PC is LITERALLY just for gaming, so that “could” work nicely.
domi@lemmy.secnd.me 4 weeks ago
Hardware MIGHT be controlled by signal RGB
OpenRGB to the rescue: flathub.org/apps/org.openrgb.OpenRGB
controlling the pump in my AIO?
What do you need to control about your pump? I sure hope it works without OS support.
Or the sound levels on ny headset?
Move the volume slider up or down?
Or the DPI in my mouse?
Save them to the mouse as profile if it can or use Piper: flathub.org/apps/org.freedesktop.Piper
in AMD you lose access to certain features like AMFM2
FSR Frame Gen works just fine, not sure why you need fake frames in more games.
the FOSS solutions are not industry standard, so sure, I can learn to use LibreOffice, but that’s worth absolutely nothing when you apply for a corporate job and they expect you to know how to use outlook as a bare minimum
There is also OnlyOffice and online MS Office. Not sure what you need to know about Outlook to open it and use your eyes to read the mails.
even the Google office suite is being adopted faster
Good news, it runs in a browser and works on every OS!
Ah, but if the software is available there’s still a chance it doesn’t work because it’s missing a dependency or something and you have to ask people to use the terminal and… Sigh
I have not fixed dependencies issue on Linux since the early 2000s. Flatpaks are your friend flathub.org .
All in all, it’s just behind in many ways, sure, for some people it’s ok, and for laptops I’d think is mostly ok, great even.
I run it on my high end PC and I disagree. It’s ahead in many ways.
- The graphics drivers are included and don’t need any bloated software to work
- It has a banger OpenGL driver, which makes games like Minecraft run significantly faster.
- It has a very active community for game support for games where the developer does not care
- It translates older DirectX versions to Vulkan automatically, resulting in a performance uplift and more stability. People on Windows are installing DXVK just so older games work. Look up DXVK in the Steam forums.
- It downloads shader caches from Valve, preventing shader stutter in games that don’t do it on their own
That list could go on for a while and it’s only for gaming.
I haven’t even gone into installation and not having to run ShutUp10 every time just to make the OS usable. Or how KDE is so much cleaner than Windows. Or how I don’t have any ads in my start menu, don’t have to force download Candy Crush on first boot, don’t have pre-installed apps I can’t remove, don’t have to block my own OS in its firewall to get rid of telemetry, don’t have to be told that I need to upgrade to Windows 11 constantly.
For work: Docker just works, complex networking setups are not a pain to setup, creating VMs is so much easier and has so many more features. VPN is so seamlessly setup. I can read almost every file system on the planet and use ROCm without jumping through hoops. Not to mention I don’t get Copilot and Recall shoved down my throat.
Are there issues on Linux? Sure, lots of them. But if I find them I can tell somebody about it and don’t have to deal with them for centuries.
I’m rooting for Steam OS to release to desktops because my living room PC is LITERALLY just for gaming, so that “could” work nicely.
SteamOS is just a modern Linux distro with Steam pre-installed and in autostart. If stuff works there, it works on regular Linux just as well.
Bazzite achieves the same thing right now: bazzite.gg
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 weeks ago
it’s one microsoft windows michael how much could it cost
lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
Hi from a Thinkpad T14 G1 running LMDE, as god intended
iii@mander.xyz 4 weeks ago
“In the name of our Lord I implore thee to embrace Linux Mint. For it is a software that shall free thy computer from its earthly shackles and grant thee access to infinite knowledge of the cosmos.”
John 5.11
Gremour@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Arch heretic here (long time Mint user).
MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
I use Arch btw.
nailbar@sopuli.xyz 4 weeks ago
My Acer Nitro with OpenSUSE says hi 👋
bluewing@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
My Acer Nitro with Aurora Says Hi!
(I’m thinking maybe going to Kinonite)
JoMiran@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
billiam0202@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Is that Sam Reich in a penguin suit!?
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 4 weeks ago
If you are living on the coast and the water is rising due to climate change, just sell your house and move.
kerrigan778@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Gremour@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
At least with OS you have a choice.
PillowTalk420@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
So, uh… You gonna trade me a better machine for my current one, Microsoft?
Cort@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
M$: best I can do is Intel celery, but it’s new enough to run windows 11
PillowTalk420@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
sigh does it at least come with ranch or peanutbutter? Celery is better with one of those.
M0oP0o@mander.xyz 4 weeks ago
This is kinda funny, just thinking someone believes you can “trade in” a PC at all. Even more so when they are trying to say those same Windows 10 machines will be so useless you need to trade them in in the first place, making the value of such a trade in what, next to nothing?
Apocalypteroid@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
And I now I use Linux. Will never go back to Windows after this nonsense.
Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz 4 weeks ago
This is the way. Linux gave my computer more freedom and lifespan. Never go back again.
madcaesar@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Linux speed increase over Windows it’s like jumping 10 years into the future
gurnu@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I made the jump recently, too, after having to use W11 for my studies… Figured that the one multiplayer game I play that actually needs Windows to work (and that’s purely because the dev’s won’t enable anticheat on Linux) is not too much of a sacrifice when the alternative would be giving out the possibility to tune the OS to my liking.
Bye bye Windows, you were “great” during XP and W7 times!
Apocalypteroid@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Well, if I’m honest I tried to install Win11 before Linux but it was such a pain in the arse I gave up. The installer couldn’t pick up the SSD so I had to download drivers onto USB and install them half way through the wizard. THEN, it wouldn’t pick up the WiFi card so I bypassed that to get the installer to finish, and to top it off, even after I’d installed all the drivers, it still didn’t pick it up, not in the device manager, nowhere, as if it didn’t exist. So I gave up. Linux installed first time and although it’s not quite perfect yet it’s functional enough for me to actually use the flipping thing! Haha
I’ve installed every Windows since 95 on various machines and never had so much trouble. Win11 is complete crap. And Microsoft are a bunch of dickheads for forcing it when there was literally nothing wrong with Win10.
salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 4 weeks ago
Hot take from an IT guy: save your important data, make a plain vanilla W11 boot USB (nothing fancy, no Rufus tricks), wipe your hard drive to zeroes, and install W11 like normal. I’ve reimaged a ton of older PCs and literally never seen it not work. My 10 year old Optiplex, supposedly ineligible for W11, runs W11 just fine.
Microsoft might someday break it, sure. That’s not new. Microsoft products were always, in practice, available to us at Microsoft’s pleasure. This is the same company that allows massgrave to exist on git because they’d rather we pirate MS Office than allow LibreOffice any oxygen. We’ll probably be fine.
Polderviking@feddit.nl 4 weeks ago
Also IT guy. Hot take indeed. I’ve done this but won’t support this. I will almost guarantee some update will break shit at the most inconvenient time humanly possible and the people you’ve done this for will need your help, all at the same time.
I’m using this opportunity to expand Linux market share.
Most people only use browser. People that ask me about Windows 10 eol get pushed towards Linux.
Only if they need stuff that won’t work on Linux or they really really want Windows to use Chrome or Firefox on for some reason I’ll recommend complying with Microsoft’s hubris.
TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I’m imagining me doing this to my building of elderly, it dies and then opening my eyes to 40 work orders. Lmao
salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 4 weeks ago
I will almost guarantee some update will break shit at the most inconvenient time humanly possible and the people you’ve done this for will need your help, all at the same time.
Well, yeah. That’s life as an admin under the best circumstances. There’s a running list of Windows ticking time bombs over on r/sysadmin. There are lots of good reasons to ditch Windows, but I wouldn’t say the risk of MS shutting down technically unsupported hardware is one of them (because I don’t agree it’s a substantial risk).
Etterra@discuss.online 4 weeks ago
Oh sure, why not throw a perfectly functional $1,300 into a shredder so we can make Microsoft happy? Oh yeah, I know, because fuck you Microsoft.
cley_faye@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Users to microsoft: “You’re creating a huge pile of garbage out of perfectly fine devices because of unneeded hardware requirement” microsoft: “It’s ok, just buy a new one”
Rarely have a message gone through so bad.
Bristingr@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Funny because people still use Windows 7 in large quantities across the world.
M0oP0o@mander.xyz 4 weeks ago
Windows 7 is such a nice user experience today, if you use it in 2025 you really get an idea of how far windows has fallen off.
const_void@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
Can you believe this company has a Chief Sustainability Officer? What the fuck do they do all day?
JigglySackles@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Yell at the wind
aldfin@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Linux
Lemminary@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Hah. Good luck trying to make me dispose of the computer I built almost a decade ago and that I just upgraded. Not even my laptops have outlived or outperformed this baby.
samuelazers@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I put Linux on my mom’s laptop which is nearing two decades old at this point. It was the pragmatic choice even though I personally use Windows.
Windows security updates only last a few years. Would be annoying to keep reinstalling and re explaining the changed UI every few years.
ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
It might be time to release the shackles of Windows and head on over to Linux.
Or I guess you could get Windows 10 LTSC.
Lemminary@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Yeah! I’m gonna use Windows 10 LTSC in the meantime but I’m still eyeing a full jump to Linux.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
Can MS be sued by EU for this? There was the thing with USB-C, because E-waste, and now the most used Desktop-OS says “just throw your PC away” for a not really required (and artifically defined) requirement.
SteakRipums@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I don’t think there would be any legal standing for it. The computers being dropped won’t be losing their functionality since users could just switch to something different or keep using Windows 10 without security patches. The
deadkennedy@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Just in case anyone reading doenst know - the free tool Rufus can write a Win 11 ISO to your usb drive md remove all the silly soft requirements.
shininghero@pawb.social 4 weeks ago
Or better yet, windows 10 LTSC. Which will be supported for another 2 years. 4 if you subsequently switch the product key to the IOT LTSC version.
db2@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
The hurdles windows users are willing to put up with is nothing less than amazing. That’s not a good thing.
d3lta19@lemmy.ca 4 weeks ago
IOT version is supported until 2032
deadkennedy@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
oh nice - thanks for sharing, i was not aware of this and will add it to my toolbox!
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
The free OS Linux also doesn’t pull this crap, and Rufus can write a Linux ISO to your USB drive and remove Microsoft’s gaslighting from your life.
deadkennedy@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
gaslighting
Bro, i cut my teeth on FreeBSD 2.2.x and lived through the Great Linux / Windows wars of 95 and 98…
but im not so sure MS ever gaslit anyone. everyone seemed to have a pretty solid perception of reality.
Maybe the term gaslighting means something new to you 🤷
Matriks404@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Yeah, but will updates work? And even if they do, what’s stopping Microsoft in disabling them somehow?
Nowadays if you want to have usable Windows installation you need to use a bunch of 3rd party scripts that might break on next update. Learning Linux is easier than this shit.
I can’t wait for someone to ask me how to solve some shit in Windows, and me saying that I don’t have patience for this shit.
deadkennedy@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
updates work.
MS won’t disable them - but hey want people to move to Windows 11.
Congrats on migrating to Linux! it’s what i’ve been pushing friends and family towards for decades, and thankfully Ubuntu is in a position right now to be a fine desktop OS, esp for the average user who lives in a web browser.
UnpledgedCatnapTipper@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 weeks ago
Windows updates don’t work correctly a lot of the time if you’ve bypassed the requirements. My predecessor at work installed 11 on some ancient systems and it’s been a hassle.
deadkennedy@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
I’ve had no issues on the machines i’ve done this with, aside from having to do an upgrade in place with a major update (used rufus, write the latest iso, did the upgrade from the bootable usb.
regular windows updates work without hassle. perhaps your predecessor didn’t use a complete solution 🤷
DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org 4 weeks ago
Alright then MS, (this is hypothetical as I haven’t ran Windows as my main OS in years and don’t plan on going back), since you want me to trade in my hardware, how 'bout I trade in your OS instead? :p
aks69cw@feddit.nl 4 weeks ago
Always wandering why it isn’ t possible for Microsoft to maintain their version and update all along. Linux can do it, Android can do it. I’ m not sure about Apple. I switched to Linux years ago and I’m still most satisfied about my choice. My current laptop is from 2009 and can still go on for years. That is what you call sustainability
lemmysarius@feddit.org 4 weeks ago
But then the People wouldnt pay for it over and over again?
People are way less willing to pay for updates than for whole new versions.
Apple and companies using Android are selling hardware, not software like Microsoft.
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
They make most of their money from pro licenses and telemety data anyway, I’m sure.
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
Pay for windows?
aks69cw@feddit.nl 4 weeks ago
Updates should be incorparated in the subscription of your software. True that Apple and companies using Android are selling hardware. But Microsoft is also selling hardware. At my work we use Microsoft Surface laptops and my son in law has a X-Box. They even start selling advertisements.
suaroof@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Sustainable products are not profitable products. Look at what happened to Tupperware.
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
If there’s no IP barrier, the products can come back when the demand is back.
Which is one of the reasons I’m against copyright and of course reverse-engineering and modding and emulation being legally suppressed.
Say, one can easily understand how 90s’ era of good old software and hardware ended. Modern business models there are more profitable. But those models lead to degeneracy, and they wouldn’t be competitive if the old things were competitive for longer, and the old things would be if not for copyright. More paths is always better.
Weirdfish@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Android doesnt, my S8 can no longer be updated and many apps are beginning to no be supported. I love this phone, all the new ones are way too big.
dan00@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Linux users tell Microsoft to just get over it, dump your parasitic software and start over, because how hard can it be?
griD@feddit.org 4 weeks ago
DoN’t YOu gUyS hAvE TPM? Hilarious.
deathbird@mander.xyz 4 weeks ago
A testament to the shot development standards at MS. An OS literally should not in a million years be this resource inefficient, especially out of the box.
Ickabod@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Trading in a PC… in 2025? To who? Where? What time period, even? They must be thinking it’s still 1985, and you can trade in your IBM Compatible to your nearest IBM Distributor.
ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Ok, write me a check for a new one.
TachyonTele@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Yes. The totaly real PC trade-in market…
LiamTheBox@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
Actually you can get the IoT Enterprise LTSC here and do your windows thing until 2032
Ravenfreak@discuss.online 4 weeks ago
I never liked Windows 10, I had way too many issues with it. However, so many companies rely on old versions of Windows and it takes them years to upgrade to the latest version. The machines I use at work still have Windows 10 installed because the software we rely on isn’t compatible with Windows 11 yet. This whole “trade in your old PC for a new one” is ridiculous. Thankfully there’s many Linux distros that work with older hardware so you don’t need Windows!
Legom7@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
How much could a new PC be Michael, $10?
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Trade in to whom, to Linux users?.. Actually a good idea, not sure MS understood what almost logically complete advice they gave.
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
W10 wouldn’t get past the pin screen (type pin, then black screen forever, nothing else), so I used a live boot disk of fedora to rescue my files (turns out you can just bypass windows pins and mount the drive), then installed fedora on my old toshiba satellite and never looked back. Few years in I upgraded with linux in mind and now am cruising with a Framework 16. No regrets.
Join us! Cast off your shackles! Microsoft has no power over you beyond what you willingly give them!
BenReilly97@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Trade in their PCs to who? Fucking Aquaman?
uniquethrowagay@feddit.org 4 weeks ago
That excellent gag is how I discovered hbomberguy some years ago
BenReilly97@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
What’s especially funny is that he didn’t even script that, he just came up with it on the spot. And now it’s the joke he’s most known for.
rwtwm@feddit.uk 4 weeks ago
I love how memes (in the Dawkinsian sense) work. Lots of people have enjoyed this, but I can imagine this being quoted as the original is lost to the sands of time.
Young people everywhere thinking that Aquaman was someone who just bought failing assets from everyone.
lonesomeCat@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
The Linux guys obv