I never liked Windows 10, I had way too many issues with it. However, so many companies rely on old versions of Windows and it takes them years to upgrade to the latest version. The machines I use at work still have Windows 10 installed because the software we rely on isn’t compatible with Windows 11 yet. This whole “trade in your old PC for a new one” is ridiculous. Thankfully there’s many Linux distros that work with older hardware so you don’t need Windows!
Microsoft tells Windows 10 users to just trade in their PC for a newer one, because how hard can it be?
Submitted 1 year ago by moe90@feddit.nl to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.xda-developers.com/microsoft-tells-windows-10-users-trade-in-pc/
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Ravenfreak@discuss.online 1 year ago
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
When management doesn’t want to upgrade from XP because it still works
Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 1 year ago
My highschool PCs had XP for as long as at all possible. They switched them to some beginner friendly Linux after. Way to go.
Paranoidfactoid@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Linux/BSD blah blah blah
sfu@lemm.ee 1 year ago
[deleted]LiveLM@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 1 year ago
Will installing / using this reset or format the Mac? I mean, as a first time install thing.
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That’s apple wanting to control their closed hardware ecosystem. Windows is built to run on a significantly wider range of hardware, so isn’t really comparable in that way.
espentan@lemmy.world 1 year ago
True, microsoft is a wehrmacht nazi soldier where as apple is full on gestapo.
Pumasuedeblue@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
“Trade in” like theres a dealership willing to give you some kind of fair value for your old computer. That said, if you’re willing to be extorted by Microsoft, then you get what you have coming to you.
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Trade in to whom, to Linux users?.. Actually a good idea, not sure MS understood what almost logically complete advice they gave.
aks69cw@feddit.nl 1 year ago
Always wandering why it isn’ t possible for Microsoft to maintain their version and update all along. Linux can do it, Android can do it. I’ m not sure about Apple. I switched to Linux years ago and I’m still most satisfied about my choice. My current laptop is from 2009 and can still go on for years. That is what you call sustainability
suaroof@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Sustainable products are not profitable products. Look at what happened to Tupperware.
aks69cw@feddit.nl 1 year ago
True. But the real problem is that we want too much profit and the companies are getting to big. My guess is that if the tax plans are changed and we settle for less money, it will be much better for many things. It should be added that prices would then also have to be much lower
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 year ago
If there’s no IP barrier, the products can come back when the demand is back.
Which is one of the reasons I’m against copyright and of course reverse-engineering and modding and emulation being legally suppressed.
Say, one can easily understand how 90s’ era of good old software and hardware ended. Modern business models there are more profitable. But those models lead to degeneracy, and they wouldn’t be competitive if the old things were competitive for longer, and the old things would be if not for copyright. More paths is always better.
Weirdfish@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Android doesnt, my S8 can no longer be updated and many apps are beginning to no be supported. I love this phone, all the new ones are way too big.
aks69cw@feddit.nl 1 year ago
It depends. When using Samsung then you on;ly get updates for the first two years. I’ ve run a Fairphone and I received updates for 4 years.
gens@programming.dev 1 year ago
Lineageos. I’m like 1 android version behind latest on s9.
lemmysarius@feddit.org 1 year ago
But then the People wouldnt pay for it over and over again?
People are way less willing to pay for updates than for whole new versions.
Apple and companies using Android are selling hardware, not software like Microsoft.
aks69cw@feddit.nl 1 year ago
Updates should be incorparated in the subscription of your software. True that Apple and companies using Android are selling hardware. But Microsoft is also selling hardware. At my work we use Microsoft Surface laptops and my son in law has a X-Box. They even start selling advertisements.
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Pay for windows?
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 1 year ago
They make most of their money from pro licenses and telemety data anyway, I’m sure.
LiamTheBox@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
Actually you can get the IoT Enterprise LTSC here and do your windows thing until 2032
Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Bring on the cheap non windows 11 computers. I’ve already told everyone i know if they didn’t want to have to buy another computer for years they just had to start using linux. Then I show them what that looks like if they are interested. I show them that they can put menu/start button at the bottom left if thats what they want. That they can have a the same browser they use and many of the same applications. I’ve had two people willing to try. Most insist that they don’t want to learn anything new. Its depressing but its a boon for me when people start getting rid of their perfectly usable gear.
Legom7@lemmy.world 1 year ago
How much could a new PC be Michael, $10?
Lemminary@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Hah. Good luck trying to make me dispose of the computer I built almost a decade ago and that I just upgraded. Not even my laptops have outlived or outperformed this baby.
samuelazers@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I put Linux on my mom’s laptop which is nearing two decades old at this point. It was the pragmatic choice even though I personally use Windows.
Windows security updates only last a few years. Would be annoying to keep reinstalling and re explaining the changed UI every few years.
ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
It might be time to release the shackles of Windows and head on over to Linux.
Or I guess you could get Windows 10 LTSC.
Lemminary@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah! I’m gonna use Windows 10 LTSC in the meantime but I’m still eyeing a full jump to Linux.
skytrim@reddthat.com 1 year ago
I switched to Linux on my laptops years ago. Recently, I retired and started playing video games like Skyrim. I play on a Nintendo Switch. I considered playing Skyrim on a laptop so I could use/build mods. I bought a laptop with Windows 11 and spent forty minutes removing the bloat, ads, spyware, ai nonsense, and other dross, fixing it so it did not ‘update’ to restore everything I deleted, and installing my preferred alternatives (browser, search, email etc). It reminded me why I hate Windows almost as much as Mac OS (which is even more controlling). Microsoft have hundreds of engineers ‘enshitifying’ everything. It is more than a full-time job trying to stop them and block their ‘improvements’. I am retired. I have better things to do.
I did not enjoy playing games with a laptop (hurts my arthritis, I prefer using a console and an easy chair) and resented having to reverse engineer everything I installed to keep it running but without sacrificing my privacy so the laptop now just sits in a drawer. It amazes me that anyone still tolerates Microsoft products, or any of the monopolists stuff. Why is anyone still using google search or chrome browser, why bing or any of it? Why is anyone still seeing adverts? Why is everyone still being fed by algorithms? You must chose this - but why? I always sought out better and if it did not exist, I built it, and if I could not build it, I did without. There is a lot of dumbing-down around technology. Back in C20th, we used to build our own hardware, write our own software. We were skilled hobbyists (later I got an M.Sc. to reinforce my hobby skills with theory and even ran a business for a while as an engineer). Around 2000 +/- five years, the monopolists offered ‘help’ in the form of WYSIWYG editors to write code for us or ‘click buttons to register your account’ platforms to host content for us instead of us running our own websites (blogger, wordpress, facebook, twitter etc). They dumbed us all down, farmed us like animals for data and used clickbait to get ad revenue and undermined our politics, culture, even changed our sense of being human. Now old folk can build resources but younger people can only consume. We have to re-skill and resist the seduction of the easy and free-to-use. There’s no such thing as a free lunch. Never trust a tech bro, whether USA or any nationality.
Personally, I want to ‘jail break’ my Switch and make mods for my console version of Skyrim. I can’t do that now as it is illegal but when they bring out the Switch 2 and the old console is ‘obsolete’ and they stop trying to get money for Skyrim, I reckon we tinkerers will get a chance to re-purpose the old console to play the old games in our own way. I reckon some exciting engineering is happening amongst the recyclers and re-purposers rather than amongst the corporates. I only buy second-hand for ethical reasons and to save money. I always install my own software based on AOSP or use a more ethical distro or alternative to the commercial options. I always debloat or degoogle or remove unwanted stuff. I wish that kind of personalisation were more common. There is a zero sum relationship with tech: either the technology controls you, or you control it. I urge you to control your own tech. Don’t be enslaved by it. I feel I am in a minority in wanting sovereignty over my damn phone. It makes me sad.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Personally, I want to ‘jail break’ my Switch and make mods for my console version of Skyrim.
Why not just get a steam deck?
skytrim@reddthat.com 1 year ago
I tried creating a Steam account and was blocked by the revolving captcha security thing - took days to try to get help from their customer care and by the time they got back to me I had lost interest. I spent the waitjng time researching Valve and I decided they are not an ethical business. Made me sad as I loved the idea of a customised-for-gaming-on-console linux OS and liked the look of the hardware. But Valve is a monopolist and has too much market share and too many users and thus too much power - USA politics today shows how big a risk that is. Valve supports unethical business models like ‘rent game to play’, AI-generated junk games and IP violations so it debases game development and hurts indy developers, live-streaming games which is bad for environment. It promotes ‘easy access/always on gaming’ and is thus profiting from addiction-to-gaming, which ix a MASSIVE problem and few gamers admit it. It’s an American corporation and I distrust American corporate culture. Most of which might be said of other console/platforms so its not just Valve/Steam, I feel wary of but the whole industry. I bought a second-hand Switch so did not help Nintendo/Japanese corporate power directly. I bought a bundle of 2nd-hand games on sd card with minimal download content (except for ‘No Man’s Sky’ which constantly updates). I am trying to be an ethical gamer - limit my time gaming to stop me becoming an addict etc. But I admit I am compromised - I spend too much time gaming, being retired its easy to lose track of time. Honestly, I feel like a vegan who wraps bacon in thick wholemeal sandwiches and pretends they are not really eating pigs since its mainly bread. I am ‘a work in progress’.
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
W10 wouldn’t get past the pin screen (type pin, then black screen forever, nothing else), so I used a live boot disk of fedora to rescue my files (turns out you can just bypass windows pins and mount the drive), then installed fedora on my old toshiba satellite and never looked back. Few years in I upgraded with linux in mind and now am cruising with a Framework 16. No regrets.
Join us! Cast off your shackles! Microsoft has no power over you beyond what you willingly give them!
CosmicJoker@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Can’t game 100% on Linux now all game work well enough and driver issues.
If not we wouldn’t be on Windows.
brysmi@lemmy.world 1 year ago
SteamOS. In principle anyway.
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
I decided not to trade freedom for microtransactions years before I even switched to linux, personally. If a game can’t run without literal spyware, I probably haven’t played it.
Ickabod@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Trading in a PC… in 2025? To who? Where? What time period, even? They must be thinking it’s still 1985, and you can trade in your IBM Compatible to your nearest IBM Distributor.
Veneroso@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The addage to people who ask if I buy PCs is: You want to get rid of it. How am I going to convince someone to not only take it, but pay money for it?
endofline@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Maybe to the “third world” ( i dont like this name ) countries which still use linux because of high financial costs of windows… I can’t wait react os 1.0
cley_faye@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Users to microsoft: “You’re creating a huge pile of garbage out of perfectly fine devices because of unneeded hardware requirement” microsoft: “It’s ok, just buy a new one”
Rarely have a message gone through so bad.
const_void@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
Can you believe this company has a Chief Sustainability Officer? What the fuck do they do all day?
JigglySackles@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yell at the wind
Bristingr@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Funny because people still use Windows 7 in large quantities across the world.
M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 year ago
Windows 7 is such a nice user experience today, if you use it in 2025 you really get an idea of how far windows has fallen off.
dan00@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Linux users tell Microsoft to just get over it, dump your parasitic software and start over, because how hard can it be?
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
As someone who did exactly this a year and a half or so ago: so much easier than you think.
Gremour@lemmy.world 1 year ago
As hard as plugging in a USB with OS and follow instructions.
CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Minus all the caveats like not being reliable on anything with an NVidia GPU or just hating your specific setup for no reason (I am salty, I’m going to keep trying anyway)
MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
Can MS be sued by EU for this? There was the thing with USB-C, because E-waste, and now the most used Desktop-OS says “just throw your PC away” for a not really required (and artifically defined) requirement.
SteakRipums@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I don’t think there would be any legal standing for it. The computers being dropped won’t be losing their functionality since users could just switch to something different or keep using Windows 10 without security patches. The
Apocalypteroid@lemmy.world 1 year ago
And I now I use Linux. Will never go back to Windows after this nonsense.
Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
This is the way. Linux gave my computer more freedom and lifespan. Never go back again.
madcaesar@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Linux speed increase over Windows it’s like jumping 10 years into the future
gurnu@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I made the jump recently, too, after having to use W11 for my studies… Figured that the one multiplayer game I play that actually needs Windows to work (and that’s purely because the dev’s won’t enable anticheat on Linux) is not too much of a sacrifice when the alternative would be giving out the possibility to tune the OS to my liking.
Bye bye Windows, you were “great” during XP and W7 times!
Apocalypteroid@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Well, if I’m honest I tried to install Win11 before Linux but it was such a pain in the arse I gave up. The installer couldn’t pick up the SSD so I had to download drivers onto USB and install them half way through the wizard. THEN, it wouldn’t pick up the WiFi card so I bypassed that to get the installer to finish, and to top it off, even after I’d installed all the drivers, it still didn’t pick it up, not in the device manager, nowhere, as if it didn’t exist. So I gave up. Linux installed first time and although it’s not quite perfect yet it’s functional enough for me to actually use the flipping thing! Haha
I’ve installed every Windows since 95 on various machines and never had so much trouble. Win11 is complete crap. And Microsoft are a bunch of dickheads for forcing it when there was literally nothing wrong with Win10.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 1 year ago
If you are living on the coast and the water is rising due to climate change, just sell your house and move.
kerrigan778@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Gremour@lemmy.world 1 year ago
At least with OS you have a choice.
JoeDyrt@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Someone has to say it: I bought a MacBook!
Xatolos@reddthat.com 1 year ago
[deleted]JoeDyrt@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
I may not have 10 years left in my life cycle!
Wispy2891@lemmy.world 1 year ago
A MacBook is on the upgrade treadmill even faster than windows lol
JoeDyrt@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
I’ve never had a pc get to 10 years old before upgrading. I fully expect my MacBook to meet my needs (which don’t include rending animations or editing video) for the rest of my life (I’m 65) OR at least 10 years.
oplkill@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Kinda funny the same statement to Tesla owners, where comments are telling that it’s easy…
deathbird@mander.xyz 1 year ago
A testament to the shot development standards at MS. An OS literally should not in a million years be this resource inefficient, especially out of the box.
M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 year ago
This is kinda funny, just thinking someone believes you can “trade in” a PC at all. Even more so when they are trying to say those same Windows 10 machines will be so useless you need to trade them in in the first place, making the value of such a trade in what, next to nothing?
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
it’s one microsoft windows michael how much could it cost
MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
I use Arch btw.
nailbar@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
My Acer Nitro with OpenSUSE says hi 👋
bluewing@lemm.ee 1 year ago
My Acer Nitro with Aurora Says Hi!
(I’m thinking maybe going to Kinonite)
lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Hi from a Thinkpad T14 G1 running LMDE, as god intended
Gremour@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Arch heretic here (long time Mint user).
iii@mander.xyz 1 year ago
“In the name of our Lord I implore thee to embrace Linux Mint. For it is a software that shall free thy computer from its earthly shackles and grant thee access to infinite knowledge of the cosmos.”
John 5.11
Etterra@discuss.online 1 year ago
Oh sure, why not throw a perfectly functional $1,300 into a shredder so we can make Microsoft happy? Oh yeah, I know, because fuck you Microsoft.
LoveSausage@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Lots of suggestions here. Here is mine peppermint OS. Simple and doesnt brake (debian based)
zer0squar3d@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Peppermint OS and Pop! OS are tops top favs.
DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org 1 year ago
Alright then MS, (this is hypothetical as I haven’t ran Windows as my main OS in years and don’t plan on going back), since you want me to trade in my hardware, how 'bout I trade in your OS instead? :p
PillowTalk420@lemmy.world 1 year ago
So, uh… You gonna trade me a better machine for my current one, Microsoft?
Cort@lemmy.world 1 year ago
M$: best I can do is Intel celery, but it’s new enough to run windows 11
PillowTalk420@lemmy.world 1 year ago
sigh does it at least come with ranch or peanutbutter? Celery is better with one of those.
cheeseburger@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
When will Commerce Secretary Sputnik shill for Windows 11 on Fox?
doingthestuff@lemy.lol 1 year ago
I will take your windows 10 PC and give you a keychain made of DDR2 RAM in trade.