Microsoft is getting billions for AI datacenters (they’re now turning back on) why do you buy me a fucking new PC Microsoft
Microsoft tells Windows 10 users to just trade in their PC for a newer one, because how hard can it be?
Submitted 1 year ago by moe90@feddit.nl to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.xda-developers.com/microsoft-tells-windows-10-users-trade-in-pc/
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KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Why have 1bil when you could have 1.1 bil
ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Ok, write me a check for a new one.
griD@feddit.org 1 year ago
DoN’t YOu gUyS hAvE TPM? Hilarious.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 1 year ago
Tpm I do have, the annoying thing is secureboot I need to enable to play league on win11 and that wont work with when dual booting with my main os linux.
I hate win11 so much mangoferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
TPM part is easy. It’s them arbitrarily cutting out cpu generations that’s the problem.
oh you have an almost brand new cpu, sorry we decided you needed a slightly newer line for win 11. Just trade it in for a new one
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Yup. OG Ryzen had TPM but wasn’t supported for Windows. Not sure if that has changed.
tfm@europe.pub 1 year ago
Let’s get all IT people together and fight through the hassle to help friends and family switch to Linux
Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
I’ve already switched my mom and grandma to Linux, and I’ve personally only got 1 PC still on Windows. Its days are numbered though.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
The only PC we have with Windows is my wife’s, and that’s because she plays an anti-cheat game. My desktop, laptop, NAS, and Steam Deck all run Linux.
BenReilly97@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Trade in their PCs to who? Fucking Aquaman?
lonesomeCat@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
The Linux guys obv
rwtwm@feddit.uk 1 year ago
I love how memes (in the Dawkinsian sense) work. Lots of people have enjoyed this, but I can imagine this being quoted as the original is lost to the sands of time.
Young people everywhere thinking that Aquaman was someone who just bought failing assets from everyone.
uniquethrowagay@feddit.org 1 year ago
That excellent gag is how I discovered hbomberguy some years ago
BenReilly97@lemmy.world 1 year ago
What’s especially funny is that he didn’t even script that, he just came up with it on the spot. And now it’s the joke he’s most known for.
ProfessorScience@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I installed linux on my PC a couple months ago. The other day I wanted to log back into my windows partition for the first time in a while in order to clean up some of the files on that partition (even though the drive is mounted in linux, the windows “fast boot” option apparently leaves it in a state that linux considers read-only). Windows apparently wouldn’t let me log in without a microsoft account, instead of just using my regular windows username.
So yeah, that partition’s gone now. No going back!
TachyonTele@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Yes. The totaly real PC trade-in market…
toddestan@lemm.ee 1 year ago
At best, I’ve seen a small discount and whatever is traded in is junked to keep it off the second-hand market.
TachyonTele@lemm.ee 1 year ago
You could probably trade it in a pawn shop, now that I think agian about it.
expatriado@lemmy.world 1 year ago
eli5? people can continue using windows 10 but becomes insecure?
fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
No, the police will show up at your door on October 11th and arrest you on the spot.
If you’re in the US you’ll be sent to El Salvador. If you’re anywhere else you’ll be sent to the US, receive a few tattoos, then El Salvador.
Brkdncr@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Ms will stop supporting windows 10. Windows 11 has hardware requirements for a specific security chip and processors with specific features, so upgrading components isn’t an option.
If you have an old pc you can’t easily upgrade. Theres ways of forcing it to work but it’s not supported.
A lot of businesses will be getting rid of their old pcs so they dont need to deal with the hassle.
Linux will still support and run on the older hardware, so a lot of people are expecting used hardware prices to drop.
rikudou@lemmings.world 1 year ago
And thanks to Proton you can now do pretty much everything that you can do on Windows. Unless you do graphics design.
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yes. They also added an option to pay for patches.
kescusay@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Translation: “Install Linux.”
inbeesee@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Kinda excited to go all the way and swap my last holdout. The last thing Windows forces me to do.
WhiteBurrito@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I would, except there’s always some software or some feature missing. And there’s always the FOSS app that “might” meet “some” aspects of what native software does but it’s almost always never “native” support.
Sure, I know I can play MOST games on Linux, but I know for a fact they’ll launch on windows.
Or things like, sure, I know that my corsair Hardware MIGHT be controlled by signal RGB, but what about controlling the pump in my AIO? Or the sound levels on ny headset? Or the DPI in my mouse?
Then you have things like drivers. I’m not using any Nvidia GPUs right now, but the nvidia support for Linux is atrocious and you lose access to things like RTX-HDR and RTX Voice, and hell, even in AMD you lose access to certain features like AMFM2.
Then the software, not only does things like Adobe or Office just don’t exist, the FOSS solutions are not industry standard, so sure, I can learn to use LibreOffice, but that’s worth absolutely nothing when you apply for a corporate job and they expect you to know how to use outlook as a bare minimum, hell, even the Google office suite is being adopted faster… Ah, but if the software is available there’s still a chance it doesn’t work because it’s missing a dependency or something and you have to ask people to use the terminal and… Sigh
All in all, it’s just behind in many ways, sure, for some people it’s ok, and for laptops I’d think is mostly ok, great even. But I know I could deal with Linux, and I don’t want to troubleshoot a whole PC to play a game when I already spend the whole day dealing with solving issues or servers or services on my job.
I’m rooting for Steam OS to release to desktops because my living room PC is LITERALLY just for gaming, so that “could” work nicely.
domi@lemmy.secnd.me 1 year ago
Hardware MIGHT be controlled by signal RGB
OpenRGB to the rescue: flathub.org/apps/org.openrgb.OpenRGB
controlling the pump in my AIO?
What do you need to control about your pump? I sure hope it works without OS support.
Or the sound levels on ny headset?
Move the volume slider up or down?
Or the DPI in my mouse?
Save them to the mouse as profile if it can or use Piper: flathub.org/apps/org.freedesktop.Piper
in AMD you lose access to certain features like AMFM2
FSR Frame Gen works just fine, not sure why you need fake frames in more games.
the FOSS solutions are not industry standard, so sure, I can learn to use LibreOffice, but that’s worth absolutely nothing when you apply for a corporate job and they expect you to know how to use outlook as a bare minimum
There is also OnlyOffice and online MS Office. Not sure what you need to know about Outlook to open it and use your eyes to read the mails.
even the Google office suite is being adopted faster
Good news, it runs in a browser and works on every OS!
Ah, but if the software is available there’s still a chance it doesn’t work because it’s missing a dependency or something and you have to ask people to use the terminal and… Sigh
I have not fixed dependencies issue on Linux since the early 2000s. Flatpaks are your friend flathub.org .
All in all, it’s just behind in many ways, sure, for some people it’s ok, and for laptops I’d think is mostly ok, great even.
I run it on my high end PC and I disagree. It’s ahead in many ways.
- The graphics drivers are included and don’t need any bloated software to work
- It has a banger OpenGL driver, which makes games like Minecraft run significantly faster.
- It has a very active community for game support for games where the developer does not care
- It translates older DirectX versions to Vulkan automatically, resulting in a performance uplift and more stability. People on Windows are installing DXVK just so older games work. Look up DXVK in the Steam forums.
- It downloads shader caches from Valve, preventing shader stutter in games that don’t do it on their own
That list could go on for a while and it’s only for gaming.
I haven’t even gone into installation and not having to run ShutUp10 every time just to make the OS usable. Or how KDE is so much cleaner than Windows. Or how I don’t have any ads in my start menu, don’t have to force download Candy Crush on first boot, don’t have pre-installed apps I can’t remove, don’t have to block my own OS in its firewall to get rid of telemetry, don’t have to be told that I need to upgrade to Windows 11 constantly.
For work: Docker just works, complex networking setups are not a pain to setup, creating VMs is so much easier and has so many more features. VPN is so seamlessly setup. I can read almost every file system on the planet and use ROCm without jumping through hoops. Not to mention I don’t get Copilot and Recall shoved down my throat.
Are there issues on Linux? Sure, lots of them. But if I find them I can tell somebody about it and don’t have to deal with them for centuries.
I’m rooting for Steam OS to release to desktops because my living room PC is LITERALLY just for gaming, so that “could” work nicely.
SteamOS is just a modern Linux distro with Steam pre-installed and in autostart. If stuff works there, it works on regular Linux just as well.
Bazzite achieves the same thing right now: bazzite.gg
Enkers@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I really want to put Linux on my gaming PC, but I’m doubtful I can get my Rift S working on there. :/
Apparently there is an openxr driver for it, so I suppose I should at least give it a shot.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Yeah, this is why I never got into VR, the Linux support blows even if you get a supported headset because the games aren’t made for Linux. There are some games, sure, but it’s not worth spending $1k+ on an Index.
I’ll use it once the barrier to entry drops.
DrDystopia@lemy.lol 1 year ago
As someone who routinely used to sink thousands of hours into games, and by that I mean 3000 hrs. on R6-3, 2500 hrs. on Squad and so on, the predatory practices of Microsoft, Steam and game developers have just turned me off gaming completely.
domi@lemmy.secnd.me 1 year ago
Your best shot is with Monado, which supports the Rift S: monado.freedesktop.org
I only have an Index, so I can’t speak for how well it works or how easy it is to setup.
sir_pronoun@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I got my meta quest 2 working on Linux, so you should definitely just try :)
zenpocalypse@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Nobara or Pop! OS would be good choices.
Yeah, VR is still catching up, but I feel like (dual) booting to Win 10 just for specific purposes would greatly reduce the risk.
deadkennedy@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Just in case anyone reading doenst know - the free tool Rufus can write a Win 11 ISO to your usb drive md remove all the silly soft requirements.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
The free OS Linux also doesn’t pull this crap, and Rufus can write a Linux ISO to your USB drive and remove Microsoft’s gaslighting from your life.
deadkennedy@lemm.ee 1 year ago
gaslighting
Bro, i cut my teeth on FreeBSD 2.2.x and lived through the Great Linux / Windows wars of 95 and 98…
but im not so sure MS ever gaslit anyone. everyone seemed to have a pretty solid perception of reality.
Maybe the term gaslighting means something new to you 🤷
Matriks404@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah, but will updates work? And even if they do, what’s stopping Microsoft in disabling them somehow?
Nowadays if you want to have usable Windows installation you need to use a bunch of 3rd party scripts that might break on next update. Learning Linux is easier than this shit.
I can’t wait for someone to ask me how to solve some shit in Windows, and me saying that I don’t have patience for this shit.
deadkennedy@lemm.ee 1 year ago
updates work.
MS won’t disable them - but hey want people to move to Windows 11.
Congrats on migrating to Linux! it’s what i’ve been pushing friends and family towards for decades, and thankfully Ubuntu is in a position right now to be a fine desktop OS, esp for the average user who lives in a web browser.
UnpledgedCatnapTipper@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
Windows updates don’t work correctly a lot of the time if you’ve bypassed the requirements. My predecessor at work installed 11 on some ancient systems and it’s been a hassle.
deadkennedy@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I’ve had no issues on the machines i’ve done this with, aside from having to do an upgrade in place with a major update (used rufus, write the latest iso, did the upgrade from the bootable usb.
regular windows updates work without hassle. perhaps your predecessor didn’t use a complete solution 🤷
shininghero@pawb.social 1 year ago
Or better yet, windows 10 LTSC. Which will be supported for another 2 years. 4 if you subsequently switch the product key to the IOT LTSC version.
d3lta19@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
IOT version is supported until 2032
deadkennedy@lemm.ee 1 year ago
oh nice - thanks for sharing, i was not aware of this and will add it to my toolbox!
db2@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The hurdles windows users are willing to put up with is nothing less than amazing. That’s not a good thing.
sneezycat@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
October is going to be a great month to get a cheap second hand computer.
sovereign@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
ooo and I bet they won’t be that bad all things considered with how wild some of the non supported hardware is.
neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
It’s online corps offload computers but there will be a delay and many will just have the extended windows 10 supports. So I’d give it another year.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Good time to start looking for a good deal on cheap home lab crap though.
JoMiran@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
billiam0202@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Is that Sam Reich in a penguin suit!?
aldfin@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Linux
salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 1 year ago
Hot take from an IT guy: save your important data, make a plain vanilla W11 boot USB (nothing fancy, no Rufus tricks), wipe your hard drive to zeroes, and install W11 like normal. I’ve reimaged a ton of older PCs and literally never seen it not work. My 10 year old Optiplex, supposedly ineligible for W11, runs W11 just fine.
Microsoft might someday break it, sure. That’s not new. Microsoft products were always, in practice, available to us at Microsoft’s pleasure. This is the same company that allows massgrave to exist on git because they’d rather we pirate MS Office than allow LibreOffice any oxygen. We’ll probably be fine.
Polderviking@feddit.nl 1 year ago
Also IT guy. Hot take indeed. I’ve done this but won’t support this. I will almost guarantee some update will break shit at the most inconvenient time humanly possible and the people you’ve done this for will need your help, all at the same time.
I’m using this opportunity to expand Linux market share.
Most people only use browser. People that ask me about Windows 10 eol get pushed towards Linux.
Only if they need stuff that won’t work on Linux or they really really want Windows to use Chrome or Firefox on for some reason I’ll recommend complying with Microsoft’s hubris.
TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m imagining me doing this to my building of elderly, it dies and then opening my eyes to 40 work orders. Lmao
salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 1 year ago
Well, yeah. That’s life as an admin under the best circumstances. There’s a running list of Windows ticking time bombs over on r/sysadmin. There are lots of good reasons to ditch Windows, but I wouldn’t say the risk of MS shutting down technically unsupported hardware is one of them (because I don’t agree it’s a substantial risk).