Submitted 1 year ago by RicoPeru@lemmy.blahaj.zone to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world
It’s projection they don’t want to remove pedophiles from their own ranks, and demonizing a scapegoat minority group they can blame their own failures on.
They really wish these articles were about trans people instead of clergy
bishop-accountability.org/…/are-catholic-clergy-m…
They are conflating trans healthcare for children with pedophilia.
Everyone is right; its an easy way to equate “deviancy” and to deny people rights. Its not just LGBT+; whenever nazis want to make a group of people a target, they accuse them of being “rapists” or “pedophiles.” The OG Nazis accused the Jews of wanting to molest Aryan women. Just look at Birth of a Nation. Or Trumps comments about Mexicans being rapists. It is also just generalized dehumanizing language.
But also: there is power in redefining “pedophilia.” It lets them attack LGBT+ by calling them “groomers” but then involve the services of inspectors who exist to… “verify” genitalia? It allows them to bring back child marriage or protect powerful clergy or rich assholes like Epstien, while attacking gay marriage. Libertarians attack the age of consent and want to bring back child labor. Everything becomes pedophilia except actual pedophilia. The real question becomes, why, when one has enough money or institutional power to do anything, like go to space or buy a senator to protect your wealth systemically, why does become extremely interested in fucking children?
It’s not meant to make sense. It’s meant to make you shut down any argument in favor of giving non heterosexual people human rights. That’s all.
Everybody hates pedophiles, so by calling [insert group here], pedophiles then you get most people to hate you.
Since at least the 1970s and probably much earlier, any and all non-heterosexual people have been painted as pedophiles by right wing / conservatives.
Indeed, a lot of the pedophile panic these days is driven by those people, because it is one of the few things they can get everyone to hate, and that hate often shuts down nuance and reason, and while real pedophiles are a problem, they want to expand that unthinking hate, that knee jerk ‘burn the heretic’ reaction to more people.
This is the reason we now see people attacking even completely fictional media, because they’re trying as hard as possible to slippery slope it.
I think a lot of parents are skeptical of the treatment and do not like the push for gender conforming procedures on minors. And if you look at some communities, reddit tor example, they are absolutely giddy to try and get minors able to legally transition.
From a parents perspective who wouldn’t completely trust a procedure, or maybe just doesn’t want their child to change or maybe get hurt, it’s actually really sickening to read how giddy some of these people are to push this idealogy on others kids.
So yea, from that point it’s easier to just call them a pedo, essentially just bully them away from your child.
That’s a load of shit. I’m sorry but it is. You don’t need permission to tell someone to stay away from your kid. And the treatment for minors is puberty blockers. Not surgery. It’s less life altering than getting a tattoo. Perpetuating hate because you need to give yourself permission to keep people away from you kids because you don’t understand what’s actually happening is just a load of shit.
Do better.
I’m gonna do even worse to spite your shitty attitude.
And guess what bitch, I deal with kids all the time at work and always tell them your trsns bullshit is a cult. Fuck you pedo
Let me set something straight real quick –
Pushing ideology: forcing someone to conform to a set of social standards that you believe should fit the body parts they were born with
Not pushing ideology: validating that they have the freedom to feel or act differently than the cultural expectation
The real “gender ideology” was cishet gender ideology this entire time.
Ok. Well I need you to understand saying this kind of stuff is why ppl want to stop transitioning from happening all together. I used to be an ally myself. But people like you hurt minors so 🤷
Your mistake is believing that everyone is acting in logically or in good faith.
Or, as it’s often the case, informed! Many people hate not just out of ignorance but also because everyone else is doing it but they don’t know why.
During the Lavender Scare, some homophobic government officials had to be explicitly informed what being gay meant because they were operating/ruining lives on a vague idea. :/
As someone who used to, although with gay not trans people, I believed that gay people were sexual deviants and that society accepting them would then go on to accept paedos, and that accepting deviancy was the problem that should be stopped.
Contrary to what others have posted I didn’t conflate gay people with paedos, or label the two groups as equivalent, except in that I thought they were both deviant.
Because children are almost always used as an excuse for hating something you don’t really understand. They’re a group that can’t speak for themselves, so it’s easy to frame everything as “think of the children”.
It’s just to alienate and villainize the people they don’t like. Image someone as criminal and disgusting and other people will grow the same feeling. It’s what, Trump does too, with immigrants and trans people. Hitler did the same with jews. Spreading hate 101.
Once you call someone a pedo, that’s it end of thought end of evidence. They are a oedo and so they are evil
I think a lot of it comes from thought correlation traps that people easily fall into. The path goes as such
Guys, going into girls bathrooms are creepy sex perverts. -> Guys pretending to be girls going into girls bathrooms are even creepier sex perverts. -> Pedophiles are the creepiest of sex perverts -> Trans people are creepy pedophiles
It’s all baseless assumption and bias, and full of logical fallacy’s but an incredibly easy train of thought that follows normalized cultural perceptions for decades. That’s why people get stuck on those issues, when it really shouldn’t be a big deal at all.
baseless
incredibly easy
The two criteria for whether a MAGA hat can be wrapped around a concept
They are pedo projecting. Every accusation is a confession. The ones that call random people & groups pedos without any evidence like Musk does are telling on themselves.
It’s always this. History has borne it out.
if you believe that sex and gender are synonymous and assigned at birth then someone who doesn’t like their gender becomes a walking contradiction.
any person with a healthy relationship to having their worldview challenged would see that and think “hey maybe i was taught wrong”
unfortunately for everyone on earth conservatives define themselves by thinking that what they were taught is the rightiest thing ever actually so that doesn’t happen
as for why pedophiles specifically, they’re a group of people who are so thoroughly hated any and all violence against them is ‘justified’
most paedophiles are cis men. Cis women paedophiles absolutely dwarf paedophiles trans people even when accounting for population.
It turns out, people who violate others don’t need to go through years of doctor’s visits and dehumanizing bureaucracy to breach someone’s boundaries.
It’s just the same fascist projection repeated ad nauseum because it works. You immediately have to go on the defensive and tiptoe around the taboo subject of paedophilia instead of actually challenging their assumptions. Anything less gets you accused of accepting child abuse, which is just the first step repeated again. By the time you’ve even addressed the claims, anyone worth reaching out to has logged off and the fascists have inched closer to the levers of the state.
It never was about paedophilia, or rape, or abuse, or sports. It’s about exploiting emotions and appealing to a constructed idea of “common sense” that can tie you up in its endless tendrils so they can ignore you and dehumanise you more efficiently.
It’s actually a very simple ploy they’ve used since before I was born (I’m not young). Anything they can paint as sexual, or that actually is out of the sexual “norm,” they will use as a scapegoat. They used it against blacks (coming after their white women), gays, and now trans. Pedophilia and rape are the two Worst Things, and if they can tie the Bad Guy du jour, that equals fear-votes. The best kind of right wing votes in all the land.
I think that because of hypersexualization in society, which includes, for example, sexualization of nudity, has led to a situation where anything related to sex that deviates from the so-called norm, is lumped together. This also leads to transgender people who support helping young people with gender dysphoria, to be lumped together with anyone who associates sex with children. of course the sex part in transgender people talks about gender while the sex part in pedophiles talks about sexual intercourse, and these people are so close-minded that to them talking about sex and children instantly means pedophilia.
I think it’s similar to people who consider nudist families to be incestual.
Of course there are also those who just can’t accept anything that is different from them and therefore just blame them at being the worst possible thing they can think that they see any sort of connection to. For example, people call other races monkeys because they are too different to them to consider them human and so they are more related to something that isn’t human but is similar and importantly inferior.
I think you’re correct except for your cause and effect conclusion.
They’ve ALWAYS been saying these things. It wasn’t caused by anything that’s developed in the past 100 years.
I would say that the “hypersexuality” is caused by people not listening to those fucks anymore.
Hyper sexualization has been around for hundreds if not thousands of years, it’s just that it has gotten way worse with the digital age.
Because ‘protecting the children’ is really effective, as most people want to protect children, especially their own.
Here’s how I think it goes for a lot of people:
never have actually interacted with trans people
the first time you are introduced to trans people is a transphobic friend or pastor or podcast host or whoever. I believe it’s most effective if the person is someone you trust, especially in a position of authority.
they tell you trans people are evil wicked perverts, and since you trust this person and have never heard of this before, you believe it. And besides, who doesn’t want to protect children? Evil wicked perverts, that’s who, and you are not an evil wicked pervert are you? (Personally, I theorise that people are most likely to believe and keep believing whoever happens to be the first person to tell them about a certain subject.)
chances are, this leads to you isolating yourself from anyone who could prove you this isn’t true. If you somehow became friends with a trans person, you might understand that maybe they are not evil wicked perverts, but since your first reaction to learning someone is trans would be aggression, this is very unlikely to happen. (You could compare this to how cults isolate their members from people outside the cult to prevent them from encountering different perspectives that could change their mind.)
So, long story short: propaganda.
Pure propaganda.
Just before I left the right, some people admitted it was a “noble lie”, to uphold male supremacy, as if one is able to change their gender why should they even stay in highly abusive relationships.
Of course true believers will eat up the “protect the children” line, but the opportunists just want be able to beat their wives into a bloody bulb, who will still love them after all of that, they just want a stronger “cisheteronormativity”.
Projection is confession when one chooses to inflict pain on others and self.
They want to abuse children. By blaming trans folks, they ate seeing up “see they do it too!” as cover for their evil actions.
Because to them it’s all weird sex shit.
Just like everyone not Christian “worships Satan”
Because people they shouldn’t trust but do, lie to them.
most people already (unfairly) brand pedophiles as monsters, and so placing trans people into the same category as pedophiles is a way of alienating trans people from the “regular folk”, marking them as the same “monsters” as “pedophiles”.
to clarify on the “unfairly”: pedophilia is a paraphilic disorder (a paraphilia (a subjectively “atypical” fetish) that, when satisfied, may bring harm to others), not a crime; attraction is not sexual assault.
Because projection.
95% because they’re basically nazis.
puts on prof hat
Well, in some countries, there was indeed historical link between sexual/gender minorities and pedophile advocacy movements (well “movements” is kind of a strong word here) during the 1950s to 1980s. It’s hard for us to understand today, but during my studies, I’ve worked on that topic and met a few people invested in creating or dismantling this link.
But :
Anyone can be a pedophile, regardless of other characteristics. The major champions of actual sexual abuse of minors today are politically right wing. Compare age-of-consent laws in red states to blue, or advocacy/performance of child marriages, and a pattern appears.
The conflation of evidence-based methods of sexual education with “sexualizing children” is a bald faced attempt to make kids more vulnerable. Kids trained in the importance of consent are far less likely to keep quiet when dealing with an abuser.
I would not concede, as you have here, that there was ever any appreciable link between trans advocacy and sexual abuse advocacy. The fact that some people somewhere advocated for both is true of any movement of sufficient size.
Mmh. Yeah. That’s a sound point.
Even back then those co-operations were very controversial (some pedophile advocacy group got doxxed then all of its members’ lives destroyed by LGBT people, back in the eighties), or were stuff like “if the straights get to have AoC at 16 so we do”.
As you said, most people hate pedophiles. So by constantly labeling trans people as pedophiles, transphobes are trying to get most people to hate us.
when most trans people (as do most people) hate pedophiles.
People do not choose to be pedophiles just like gay people do not choose to be gay.
Its the way your brain is wired and hating people because of something out of their control force them into the shadows, prevent them from getting the help they need and make the problem much worse.
As long as the pedophile did not commit a crime by acting on their desires, they don’t deserve to be hated
hard pill to swallow, but anyone allowing pedophiles to be treated as an underclass is part of falling for anti-queer propaganda and equating being weird with being dangerous to society. just because someone has a weird paraphilia that isn’t forced on someone else who can’t consent then it’s nobody’s business. the only way to eliminate uncomfortable attractions is thought police or installing a chip in everyone’s brains.
it’s why queer spaces turn fashy as soon as the furries, the neopronouns and the trans man lesbians aren’t welcome anymore
It’s very basic ‘think of the children’ rhetoric.
Our emotions are more easily manipulated in this way, because generally people are hard wired to protect babies and children.
So by associating trans people with paedophiles, right wingers are able to more easily hijack into what would otherwise be rational people. It also makes it more difficult to debate against because nobody wants to be labelled as someone who wants to hurt kids.
Best answer here. So much overthinking in this thread. Nope, OP nailed it, that simple, nothing need be added.
KeenFlame@feddit.nu 1 year ago
Because it’s sexual and they aren’t developed to believe sex exists