why do transphobes mention pedophiles/compare them to pedophiles when most trans people (as do most people) hate pedophiles?

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• psion1369@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  People were once told that if you wore the clothes of the opposite sex, you were a pervert. If you wanted to be the other sex, you were a sexual deviant. And people who have no experience outside of these views TOLD to them find out there are people out there like that, they are perverted deviants who must be doing other deviant things to. That’s how people connect the two. False logic and correlation based on ignorance.

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• otp@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  FWIW, this was the same thing that homophobes were doing to gay people.

  It’s not based in evidence or logic.

  Could be that phenomenon (illusory correlation?) where there are a few rare examples of someone who is [sexual minority aka. gay/trans] is also a pedophile, and that particular example of a crime becomes prolific…but the general population doesn’t have any experience with [sexual minority] people. So they assume that being [sexual minority] means you also have pedophilic tendencies because that’s the only connection they know thanks to that prolific crime.

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• AllHailTheSheep@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  projection, mostly. they can’t imagine being in a women’s space without taking advantage of it, and they don’t understand that that’s a them issue.

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  • amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    idk, there’s some truth to what you’re saying but I don’t think all those TERF women wanna abuse women’s spaces. it’s just socially beneficial for them to hate us because society encourages anti-queer violence. and that’s the part that puts women’s spaces in danger, being a minority. same for any marginalized identity

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• xmunk@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It’s just bigotry and there is no logic.

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• TheBananaKing@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Apart from concerted sociopolitical efforts to make an underclass that can be harmed at will and blamed for everything, there’s a couple of less deliberately malicious explanation for a lot of people.

  1: Category violation -> perversion -> predator -> monster.

  2: I don’t think it’s real -> they are lying -> why would they lie about gender -> to lull people into a false sense of security -> predator -> monster

  Both are of course incredibly false and hateful, and both of course are pushed maliciously and cynically by many, but I think some people are actually taken in by one or other of these.

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• someguy3@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  They took all the lessons learned from the Communist panic, the satanic panic, and the gay panic and apply them to the next target.

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• SurfinBird@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Can’t call em Nazis, so that’s the next worst thing on the list.

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• MataVatnik@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Transgender people often (wrongly) get their gender identity conflated with their sexuality. They already have a visceral reaction to a transgender person, so those feelings automatically extend to how they see a transgender person’s sexuality. And as others have mentioned they may be projecting their own perversions on other people. They have an unhealthy view of sexuality in general, which may be the origin for their transphobia.

  When I came out to my mother as transgender she had a hard time dealing with it. She seemed to have a weird fixation with my sexuality and sexual orientation whenever I tried to educate her on the subject, even after I explained to her that sexuality and sexual orientation is not related to my transgender identity.

  My mom has always been a prude when it came to raising her boys and constantly would police our vocabulary and sexual jokes. But she had no issues making jokes and comments about my sexuality when I came out to her as a transgender woman. So I can only assume she had unresolved issues with the way she sees sexuality in a way that it makes her uncomfortable and she was projecting her own perversions and unhealthy view of sexuality onto my transgender identity.

  On a side note, ever since I started my transition I pretty much stopped watching porn all together. I masturbate less and my mind isn’t constantly fixated on sex and I’m able to experience the world through a much healthier lense. When I’m attracted to someone now, I’m not distracted by my sexual impulses as much and I’m much better able to connect with them as a person. So in short, embracing my transgender identity has dramatically decreased my uncontrolled sexual impulses. So when people paint us as some sort of deviant perverts, it’s actually quite the opposite and nothing could be further from the truth. Not to mention, our sexuality is only a sliver of our transgender identity and we don’t care for strangers making a focus.

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• mystik@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  There is an ongoing attempt to create an equivalence of Trans Persons (and anyone exposing youth to LGBTQ+ ideas in any form, including loving families) to pedophiles through CONSTANT repetition, despite any lack of widespread evidence. There is also a simultaneous attempt to strongly advocate for death penalty for pedophiles. I’m sure you can see where this is heading …

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  • db2@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The question I want answered is was the (fake) word “pedosexual” made up by them or by trolls making fun of them?

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    • november@lemmy.vg ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      “Pedosexual” was a false flag operation by 4channers to try and make people think LGBTQ folks supported pedos.

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• PeachMan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Because trans people are different, and they’re afraid of different people. So they make assumptions that those people are somehow dangerous. Racism, xenophobia, transphobia; it’s all the same stupid mentality.

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  • amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I actually agree with bigots that we are dangerous as trans people (to cisheteromormative society). the caveat is that we shouldn’t give a fuck what they think since conforming to a violent society doesn’t benefit trans people. it’s why marginalizing pedophiles doesn’t make child rape go away, because they’re just a scapegoat for all the normal people and parents without any sexual attraction to their victims abusing children because of the power hierarchy

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• Glent@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  To distract from the fact that their churches are literal child rape conveyor belts

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  • amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    it’s all part of the childist propaganda that says only people from outside of the family could ever hurt children when reality says otherwise. hence the church calling themselves God’s family, priests being called father, paternalistic bs like that

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  • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Are you telling me that lesbians weren’t allowed to get married because their was no grooming?

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• yesman@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Even little babies know the difference between mommy and daddy. The shift in attitude that’s required to reform transphobia (I know) means digging into the basement of how you think of yourself and the people you love. This is threatening, it’s scary.

  For the conservative, a trans person should not exist. It contradicts the ‘natural’ hierarchy or is a rebellion against God. So their must be an alternative motive: sexual perversion. So you connect the dots between “scary” and “sexually deviant” and pedophile is the natural result.

  Calling a trans person a sexual threat soothes the dissonance by shifting the identity “trans” into something where the repulsion and fear make sense. Pedophilia is a box where you can put people whom you fear and hate them actively without the need to examine your own motivations or ever, ever have to look at it from a trans perspective.

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  • itsAsin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    well done. best philosophical/psychological post in the thread.

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• Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Well considering they elected Epstein’s closest friend (yeah it’s on tape), I would’nt try to make sens out of this. They need to hate people, they usually pick the easiest target aka minorities.

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• muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Go ask one somewhere where they won’t be banned for explaining it to u.

  Plus what’s ur goal here start a fight? Have a thread dunking on people who can’t defend themselves without getting banned?

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  • VinesNFluff@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    People who bitch about being banned/blocked are always the most blockable/bannable human beings imaginable, istg.

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  • MataVatnik@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Something you’d like to share with us?

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    • muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Nar just pointing out the stupidity of asking such a question in such a place lol.

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  • branno@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If there was some sort of evidence that would back up the explanation you wouldn’t get banned.

    You get banned because there is no reason other than hatred they are falsely labeled as pedophiles.

    It would be more accurate to say all conservatives or Christians are pedophiles. At least most of the documented instances have been.

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• SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Projection.

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• tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Transphobes aren’t using logic. They try to brand us as pedophiles to try to get rational people on their side and to normalize hate, but it’s a distraction. We’re obviously not pedos.

  It also serves dual purpose because most transphobes look up to politicians who are literal pedos

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  • Weinerpalace@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I mean some are going to be. You think absolutely zero trans ppl are pesos? Wild take lol

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    • tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Of the infinitesimally small percentage who might be, (a) it has absolutely nothing to do with them being trans and (b) I wager they’d be less likely to act on it than cis pedos since being trans alone already puts you at a significantly higher risk of violence just by existing. Not to defend pedos in any way- we want absolutely nothing to do with them

      Use your brain

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  • Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yuuup. Ten times out of ten it’s a republican politician who needs to “think of the children” a lot less.

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