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Come on over to Mastodon, the water’s nice
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Submitted 6 months ago by ForgottenFlux@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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Lon3star@lemmy.world 6 months ago
ruckblack@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
I’ve stopped recommending it. The discovery and trending post mechanisms are either garbage or non-existent, and it’s really hard to get a feed that’s remotely entertaining. Devs also seem ideologically opposed to adding any features like that. It’ll just give normal people who aren’t willing to deal with all this crap a bad taste in their mouth when it comes to the fediverse. I do recommend lemmy to people tho.
drmoose@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I feel like its the opposite.
Mastodon’s hashtag following is by far the best discovery method out there.
I’ve stopped using Bluesky because I can’t find any content and Threads it’s just engagement bait.
Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 6 months ago
While I agree that it makes Mastodon less entertaining I also think that it makes it a lot more fair, representative and trustworthy as a lens through which to observe & participate in social discourse and share information and opinions. That in itself will probably mean that it remains less popular but I think it’s also what makes it more valuable IMO. We need to calm down from the urgency of the digital dopamine cycle, for many reasons. If social media is a truly human media then it should be boring at times because that is a human reality that we are adapted to.
chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I wonder if they’re afraid of Eternal September’ing the service. A lot of people on Lemmy were upset when a bunch of people on Reddit joined. I can’t imagine what it would be like to have millions join in one day. I doubt it would be good for the culture of the community!
jaxiiruff@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
Lemmy and Bluesky are what I use too, atproto is just much more promising for microblogging than activitypub and Mastodon proves that. Lemmy is perfect for it though.
clot27@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Exactly, their official app is just pure garabage and they aren’t even trying to fix it
Empricorn@feddit.nl 6 months ago
It’s not perfect? Interesting. I’m sure that will be a deal-breaker for people exiting a failing platform run by a megalomaniacal MAGA asshole actively harming working people…
actually@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Another issue I had was hundreds of saved toots having had awesome pictures, important data or things to do.
I saved them hoping to use some later, but it all remained an unorganized glop: unusable unless I looked at each one again, in order, to find the 75th one back, about a cat
jagged_circle@feddit.nl 6 months ago
Yeah, once we have mastodon-wide full text search, it’ll be useful.
DrDystopia@lemy.lol 6 months ago
I know what you mean. I’m self-hosting and use relay.fedi.buzz to subscribe to hashtags from all over the fedimicroblogosphere. It’s literally too much interesting content, I kept scrolling new stuff for hours and had to cut down on what tags I subscribed to. It’s like that Lemmy explorer but for microblogging.
I think a reasonable admin should be open to using the service to populate the federated timeline with niché content users ask for.
The only downside is “catch all”-tags and people abusing tags. “Hey #fediverse, check out my XYZ!”. No, I want fediverse news dang it!
But the dev stuff? Yeah.
LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Dude that’s going to be one hell of a racist AI just based in the dataset it’s gonna receive
jayrodtheoldbod@midwest.social 6 months ago
It’s gonna train the little robot dog, which they’re gonna put a gun on. And drones. It’s gonna train drones, he’ll sell it to anyone who’ll buy the data.
nokturne213@sopuli.xyz 6 months ago
he’ll sell it to anyone who’ll buy the data.
And if they will not buy it musk will sue them until they buy it.
jagged_circle@feddit.nl 6 months ago
This is why when we give vacuum robots AI powers, they run around your house shouting racist pejoratives
Snapz@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Just helpful to remember, as all this horseshit persists, Bluesky is Jack Dorsey. Dorsey is former head of Twitter and musk’s good buddy.
It’s all a losing proposition, whatever direction you move - except if you move… Away.
Default_Defect@midwest.social 6 months ago
He left in May.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 6 months ago
He left the board. As a “public benefit organization” it’s still a for-profit company and he still owns stock.
Snapz@lemmy.world 6 months ago
So he’s completely removed from anything to do with that company and isn’t inherently woven into the DNA as it’s very recent founder?
Tattorack@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I dunno. I’d say it’s more important to see what exactly he’s doing and what Bluesky is.
Right now Bluesky is really good. So until it turns bad I’m sticking to it.
Snapz@lemmy.world 6 months ago
When people tell you who they are, believe them
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Wait this whole article just baselessly assumes that 1 new bluesky account = 1 person leaving twitter. That is so obviously unrealistic. Sure some people were probably curious and wanted to check out something new but that doesn’t mean they will immediately switch platforms.
You can’t just make fun of Those Guys for endlessly believing fake bullshit while unquestionably parroting this garbage.
takeda@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Twitter is for narcissists, and when they say Mastodon is not as good as twitter they really mean that there’s not as many people watching them as on Twitter. So Bluesky gaining 500,000 new accounts could help in making it “better”.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
The headline directly says half a million users left twatter. As far as I can tell that is literally a lie.
vzq@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Mastodon is still pretty rough around the edges. Especially for the regular Twitter Instagram crowd.
Istolla@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Getting a 100000 new users when Twitter loses roughly the same amount is a pretty significant correlation.
sweetpotato@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
These mfs will use literally anything except for open source, decentralised social meda
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
The masses yearn for the corporate boot
toybastard@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Is bluesky not federated?
Strepto@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
It is but from what I understand it doesn’t run on ActivityPub. Rather it runs on AT Protocol
JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Social media like Twitter it preys on people’s fear of missing out. Manufactured Problem - not being up to date on internet bullshit. Marketed solution - be on twitter. Supply and demand died a long time ago. Now it’s all about manufactured problems, and conveniently marketed solutions.
This sort of psychological manipulation in marketing works. It’s why it’s so hard to get people to leave websites like Twitter, reddit, fb ect. They’ve made their brands synonymous with media trends.
It took long enough, but I’m genuinely happy to see folks wising up and realizing they don’t “need” Twitter. It’s like watching a bunch of people break up with a toxic ex all at the same time.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Not just Twitter. FOMO was what kept me on Reddit far longer than I should have been there.
Jordan117@lemmy.world 6 months ago
While anything that gets people off Twitter is good, I’m sorely unimpressed by those artists who “had to” to patronize the racist transphobic neo-Nazi hellhole “because my audience is there”… until Musk’s policies happened to offend their own personal interests, by requiring training for their AI. Countless models trained on all public images already exist, jumping ship won’t prevent their work from being scraped elsewhere, and frankly, any one image or even portfolio will contribute virtually nothing to the result, so quitting in protest is largely symbolic. But so many peoples drew the line at that, and not at Musk making “cis” a slur, or protecting child pornographers, or boosting white supremacist supremacy theories. It’s really disappointing to see.
fine_sandy_bottom@lemmy.federate.cc 6 months ago
Yeah this is pretty much how I feel.
I loathe musk, and despise twitter, and I’m happy about anything they will be unhappy about.
That said, I don’t have a lot of respect for anyone who is still there. Journalists, politicians, anyone who has to be there for their job… I still just don’t have a lot of respect for them.
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
This is a lesson in humanity. Artists can be pieces of shit too and to be an artist, so committed to oneself and one’s thoughts is to be to some extent - narcissistic, and in the end they look out for self interest first, and it’s only that the AI portion of this threatens their self-interest do they become concerned. #NotAll, ofc.
Like I said before, solidarity of the scorpion with the turtle.
Euphorazine@lemmy.world 6 months ago
So let’s say on Twitter, someone blocks me and I can’t read their post. Can’t I just log out and read their post that way? I don’t have a Twitter account, so I’ve never seen a blocked link before.
jagged_circle@feddit.nl 6 months ago
X is authwalled
Euphorazine@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I can see this random tweet from Taylor Swift just fine in incognito mode. I can’t look at replies but I can see her posts.
EatATaco@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Yup, that’s exactly right. On Lemmy you don’t even have to log out, blocking someone simply means you can’t see their posts. If you don’t want a harasser or stalker to see something, and you post it publicly, you’re an idiot.
And this is the way it should be… You shouldn’t be able to silence someone from responding to stuff you say publicly by blocking them.
Halcyon@discuss.tchncs.de 6 months ago
Someone could just open another account with a new mail address. Blocking doesn’t help much against stalkers as long as your posts are public.
mindaika@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
Nope, and I love it because it means I literally never have to look at anything on twitter ever again
billbasher@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Opt out is such a shitty practice. Especially for AI generation
ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 6 months ago
And that’s on top of all the Brazil users who fled to BlueSky when he refused to comply with a court order (and pay a fine) so they blocked Twitter for a few days. I’m not sure how many went back after he paid the fine but BlueSky was fairly popular in Brazil even during the closed beta so I’m sure a ton stuck around.
vzq@lemmy.world 6 months ago
There is notably more Portuguese content since then. I’m guessing quite a bit stuck stond.
Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 6 months ago
How do we know this bluesky isn’t just the same shit run by different assholes?
mm_maybe@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
We don’t. It probably is. Mastodon is the way, but they need to fix a few things themselves.
Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 6 months ago
How do we know mastadon isn’t just owned by Musk too?
Honytawk@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
We can’t, but at least there is a chance it is not.
With Xitter, we know for certain.
fantawurstwasser@feddit.org 6 months ago
We know that it is run by the same assholes. Bluesky is VC backed and Twitter was also. There is no way that Bluesky won’t go the same route as every other VC backed social network. Sometime in the future they will start to meddle with your feed to push ads and sell your data to everyone.
Asetru@feddit.org 6 months ago
This makes me wonder so hard why people don’t switch to Mastodon instead. Like… You have literally seen this before! Why are you doing it again?
sibachian@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
we already know bluesky is run by former twitter folks. the fact that people never learn and move on to a guaranteed platform like mastodon is astounding; but i guess it’s humanity in a nut shell.
T156@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Although it also helps that places like BlueSky have less of a barrier to entry.
Alternatives like Mastodon are a bit more confusing, compared to a centralised site, where everything is linked in through the one interface.
dog_@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I’ve been on the platform for about a year, it’s more community driven than other sites.
Miphera@lemmy.world 6 months ago
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Just like a real girlfriend, but better. Apart from you having absolutely no sex life and apart from the fact that it has absolutely no emotional attachment or attraction to you whatsoever. And it will also never do anything like buy you dinner or a birthday present. Enjoy throwing money at your robot that you can’t even fuck like a fleshlight.
catloaf@lemm.ee 6 months ago
No, they can sync with toys like fleshlights now.
Suavevillain@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Bluesky is pretty great once you learn how to use it. I plan to slowly back off twitter.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 6 months ago
Bluesky is vc backed by investors, it is a false promise that I am sure a lot of people working on the project believe, but it is a fale promise all the same.
Bluesky is in the part of its lifecycle where investors tolerate no return on their investment in favor of drawing more people in. That is the relevant difference between Bluesky and other social media.
There are cool parts to Bluesky but it is absolutely a false promise of a future the fediverse already provides. It is also full of “liberal” sheep who tell themselves they think differently but are so locked into the mindset of the way things are that they NEED their social network to be owned and operated for a profit by people orders of magnitude more wealthy than them.
Bluesky will end up essentially the same as all investor backed for-profit social networks, a toxic, centralized shithole (or in this case pseudo-centralized because of the moderation system).
Boiglenoight@lemmy.world 6 months ago
But is it filled with the people that many want to follow and interact with? Twitter was popular for this reason, and people will tolerate being advertised to and sold on if it recreates that experience.
I had brief conversations on Twitter with Ice-T and John Carmack. Twitter’s nature enabled that remarkable connection. Could it happen on Mastodon? Absolutely, but those celebrities and geniuses need to embrace it. If it’s Bluesky, it’s better than X if only for a time.
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
That type of social media just isn’t really for me. But why would one want to choose Bluesky over Mastadon?
zeppo@lemmy.world 6 months ago
That’s how Facebook went for me the last time I tried to use it with a new account… I was immediately swamped with friend requests from people in eastern and central Africa. I accepted some out of curiosity so of course FB decided that’s what I was really into. I’m not sure if these people just send out random requests or why they want to add Americans… I didn’t get hit up for scams or anything, it was just people posting and sharing photos of their lives as normal FB users.
pycorax@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I’m mostly still on Twitter because I follow a lot of Japanese artists and bands. Now plenty of them are jumping out BlueSky so off I go.
stephen01king@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
1 reason for me, the algorithm. I can never find a lot of new thing to discover or new people to follow on Mastodon when I first started, which makes me not use it very much even now.
roofuskit@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Lol, that’s probably 30% of real people still using it
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 6 months ago
has so far only been used to train Musk’s own Grok AI
The Grok models are a laughing stock in the LLM space. They aren’t good over APIs, and they’re even less useful after Elon “open sources” them far later. Qwen 72B, and heck, Qwen 32B is already better than Grok 2, which is probably hundreds of billions of parameters. The later is runnable locally right now, Apache 2.0, and released day one. Grok 1 is… well, I dunno, no one has even bothered to try hosting it for anything.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Is 500,000 actually a lot? Honest question, my sense of scale with these things is shaky.
nutsack@lemmy.world 6 months ago
ive been enjoying bluesky more than twitter. i just wish more bug accounts would migrate. i post on both platforms with a script that i wrote and my engagement on bluesky on a per follower basis is far higher.
madcat@lemm.ee 6 months ago
That’s how blocking and banning on the internet has always worked. When you block someone they just can’t reply to you. The way it was until now is just weird. Why would blocking an account prevent them from viewing your public posts!? “Stalkers” can always make another account.
yamanii@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I justo go where the japanese artists go, and they are going to either blue sky or misskey, mostly blue sky since it has a bigger reach
iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
What pros are there to having a blocked person still be able to see your posts?
deathbird@mander.xyz 6 months ago
I hate Twitter, but I’m getting to the point where I want it to get better because if bluesky gets many more members we’re just gonna have Twitter again.
One thing I liked about the Muskification of Twitter was the scattering.
KAYDUBELL@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Pussy. Ass. Bitch.
altima_neo@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
No one leaves Twitter. They always come back. People are so addicted.
Prior_Industry@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Do they drift back though. Bigger accounts seems to struggle to kick the Twitter high .
Mwa@lemm.ee 6 months ago
even tho twitter is ruined by him people will still use it
Amir@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
How does this blocking thing make sense?
Either the profile is public, which means you can still open it on another account, or it’s private, which means no one can see it anyways if they’re not an accepted follower.
I don’t see how anything changes from Musk’s change…
just_another_person@lemmy.world 6 months ago
What a garbage dataset to train off. The majority of everything there is all bots and AI anyway lol
ohellidk@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
bots training bots. maybe this will (hopefully) corrupt the AI’s data. its kind of like copying off a copy again and again.
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 6 months ago
This is in fact precisely what happens. LLM output becomes increasingly incoherent with each subsequent generation trained off of previously AI generated data.
TriPolarBearz@lemmy.world 6 months ago
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skvlp@lemm.ee 6 months ago
The AI version of mad cow disease.
meeeeetch@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Grok Habsburg
Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Man I think it’s already done, and been done for a long time, without AI. So much of who we are now is based on and informed by what we’ve read and watched online. It’s our been our dominant frame of reference, language and value system for quite a while. We are the AI.
cerement@slrpnk.net 6 months ago
Elon decided Microsoft’s Tay chatbot was a guidebook …
Knuk@lemmy.world 6 months ago
It’s also about the art posted on it. I use bsky for that purpose and all the “migrants” didn’t want their work to be fed to an AI.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 6 months ago
At least its not…
I dunno, YouTube comments? I think Facebook is even far better data-wise than X.
postnataldrip@lemmy.world 6 months ago
It’s just virtualised Deliverance