it’s a car. it’s not an app. stop trying to apply subscriptions to everything. it’s wasteful to have unnecessary bloat for features people don’t want.
Elon Musk reveals Tesla software-locked cheapest Model Y, offers 40-60 more miles of range
Submitted 6 months ago by return2ozma@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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venusaur@lemmy.world 6 months ago
barsquid@lemmy.world 6 months ago
We, as an entire society, will have to stop paying for any of this shit to make that happen.
Bizarroland@kbin.social 6 months ago
Maybe we should write an open letter to our senators and congressman and request that they draft legislation to make it illegal for hardware vendors to software lock hardware capabilities behind a paywall.
If I buy a $100,000 vehicle I shouldn't have to pay 50 60 80 100 $200 a month to utilize the features that are built into the physical hardware of the vehicle I have purchased.
I can understand a fee for internet access or for premium radio subscriptions or something but not to use the heated seats and battery life that is physically built into the vehicle I purchased.
venusaur@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Yeah there would have to be a total psychological shift for society to fight the marketing
JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Maybe we, as a society of workers, simply eat the rich? Or at least feed them to hounds
rsuri@lemmy.world 6 months ago
As productivity increases, artificial scarcity becomes necessary to maintain pre-existing levels of inequality.
someguy3@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
How the fuck is it cheaper to software lock than to assemble a smaller battery? Like aren’t the batteries expensive? You just put in fewer cells for a smaller battery.
ch00f@lemmy.world 6 months ago
It’s possible that these vehicles are already built and Tesla needs a way to entice budget conscious buyers to clear out their inventory.
surfrock66@lemmy.world 6 months ago
That is insane. If it costs the same to make, then lower range isn’t a reasonable area to pitch a lower cost vehicle. Wanting to lower the cost is fine. Putting in cheaper/smaller components to get there is fine. If you are using the same components and just software locking them to nickle and dime the users later, that’s anti-consumer and should not be tolerated. I can’t believe how people look at micro-transactions in games and think “wouldn’t this be cool with IRL stuff?”
deranger@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Then decrease the cost. Nerfing the battery benefits nobody. Make maximum charge level a user controlled setting and you’ve gained any benefits you’ve mentioned in this thread (faster charging due to lower capacity, less wear) without fucking the consumer over.
Usernameblankface@lemmy.world 6 months ago
If that’s all it is, then simply charge less without making any changes.
BCsven@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
It is way cheaper. two assembly lines to assmebly 2 packs, separate work orders, specific assembly per model ordered ( so customet doesn’t pay for low end amd accidentally get highend or vice versa ), CAD and data management of two variations. It is why ModelT only came in black, is streamlines the whole process. You see much simpler examples in other induatries ie. that use stock material. it is cheaper to stock say 3 foot precut lengths and if product only needs 2 feet you chop it off at assembly and throw away the 1 foot scrap, rather than stocking and inventorying 2 foot and 3 foot stocks. Unless you invest in an expensive atock feeder that cuts the stock to length typed in, but that machine isn’t mobile so neesa to be placed at the exact location of assembly. And if you need it two places you need two stock machines, so then you start weighing the crude method vs precise
Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 6 months ago
And don’t forget about the local lots where you’re keeping the manufactured cars. If you’ve ever purchased a new car, you know how annoying it is to get car with the color, engine, drivetrain, and cabin options you want.
If there are lots of variations of a vehicle platform, then dealers and stores will use often their space to stock a little of everything, or maybe a lot of the popular config and next to none of some other configs.
Less variation means dealers and stores are not shipping inventory around as much, and they have more stuff on hand for impulse purchases.
Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Making variants of things is expensive. You have to keep more inventory on hand for the manufacturing components and the final manufactured vehicles. You also have to spend time / energy / space in the plant for variants of things.
And for final point of sale, if you don’t have enough final inventory in one area, you’re forced to spend a shitload of money shipping inventory across country to fill gaps.
It’s a pretty common problem in product development. This is why Henry Ford was so revolutionary. Variation of components increases a ton of manufacturing and logistics costs.
That said, Telsa should’ve just sold the car at one fair price and not software locked this. This was shady AF.
SparrowRanjitScaur@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Multiple variations means multiple factory configurations. Unless you’re selling a lot of cars it may not be worth the cost of having those production line changes.
Honytawk@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
If its cheaper to sell the same model, then the more expensive model is overpriced.
GBU_28@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Holy shit he really did the sleep(30) trick
Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 6 months ago
“Pay me more for the thing you already bought, or else I will leave you stranded.” -Elon
Oderus@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Also, Broadcom with VMware products. Fuck those pricks.
Usernameblankface@lemmy.world 6 months ago
One more thing that makes Tesla hacking a profitable skill.
CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 6 months ago
From the article…
Over the years, Tesla has periodically offered cheaper vehicles with shorter ranges, and rather than building a new vehicle with a smaller battery pack, the automaker has decided to instead use the same battery packs capable of more range and software-locked the range.
I can see business wise why they would want to do that, but P.R. and public perception wise, that’s one step forward, two steps back.
ch00f@lemmy.world 6 months ago
It’s tricky. It’s not like BMW locking heated seats, a trivial feature, to nickel and dime the owner out of $300.
Reducing the battery capacity severely alters the value of the car possibly dropping it into the range of more budget conscious buyers.
There are benefits too. Less wear on the battery by not using its whole range, faster charging to “100%,” and more potential value when it comes time to sell should the buyer want to unlock the extra range.
Leave it to Tesla though to bungle the PR and completely lose the narrative.
deranger@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
It’s not like BMW locking heated seats, a trivial feature, to nickel and dime the owner out of $300.
Yes it is; it’s exactly that.
Reducing the battery capacity severely alters the value of the car possibly dropping it into the range of more budget conscious buyers.
Or they could not reduce it for the same production cost…
There are benefits too. Less wear on the battery by not using its whole range, faster charging to “100%,”
There are no benefits. You could simply unplug at 80%.
This is such a cope ass response.
tabular@lemmy.world 6 months ago
If I own the car then either those are all my batteries or someone else has abandoned their property in my car.
Buffalox@lemmy.world 6 months ago
You are 100% right it improves the lifespan, and when selling it, a battery in better condition makes the car worth more.
I think somehow some people misunderstand your post? Or they don’t get how it can be an advantage to have a bigger battery than you pay for?lightnsfw@reddthat.com 6 months ago
That just means they could be selling the full range version cheaper. You’re getting the same hardware. It’s insane. Not “tricky”.
realharo@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Another advantage is that it doesn’t force people to initially buy the higher version because “what if I end up needing it in the future” (like what Apple does with non-upgradable storage). It lets you buy the cheaper version for now, with the possibility to change your mind later.
Quexotic@infosec.pub 6 months ago
Time to root your Tersler!
tabular@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I know jailbreak refers more to rooting Apple phones but I think it’s a better term than root as it points out you’re not in control of your own hardware. You “break out of jail” to gain (software) freedom.
Quexotic@infosec.pub 6 months ago
I happily concede!
bitwolf@lemmy.one 6 months ago
All this BS Tesla pulls, I’m surprised no one has published a Tesla “jailbreak” yet.
Johnmannesca@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Hackers had figured out how to utilize bluetooth exploits at Pwn2ownp, but I’m pretty sure an event that public has led them to patch that particular vulnerability.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
They have I’m pretty sure. It just is a immediate DMCA
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Tesla Hackers Permanently Jailbreak Paywalled Features
A team of four hackers put an end to Tesla’s microtransaction-style features via a security chip exploit.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Letting rich people have access to the internet was a mistake. This shit is begging for regulation.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
I remember when Intel tried to do this with their chips and people absolutely lost their shit.
Tesla’s popularity is on such a downtown, people won’t lose their shit but instead just go: “Ah, Musk is doing dumb shit again.”
Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Tech folks lost their shit. Joe Schmoe consumer arguably didn’t notice. They were just looking at the manufacturer sticker on their palm rest.
HaywardT@lemmy.sdf.org 6 months ago
I believe Intel is on track to do it again.
breakingcups@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I mean, they never stopped, did they? This is what chip binning is and for chips, it makes a lot of economical and even ecological sense (since a chip where the yield is such that only 6/8 cores function properly can be sold as a lower-tier product without issue instead of being scrapped, for example)
It’s also what made overclocking so popular.
Unless you and GP are referring to something else, of course. Wouldn’t put it past Intel to be nefarious 😅
Longpork3@lemmy.nz 6 months ago
Are you sure you’re not confusing this with the concept of “binning”, which is a pretty standard practice for chips?
You manufacture to a single spec, expecting there to be defects, then you identify the defective units, group them by their maximum usability and sell the “defective” units as lower end chips. IE, everything with 24-31 functional cores gets the “extra” cores disabled and shipped as a 24 core, everything with 16-23 functional cores gets shipped as a 16 core, etc
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
Meanwhile my old car works fine and doesn’t need a subscription
GiddyGap@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Mine does, too. But I’m interested in moving to an EV for the sake of the environment and the planet. Not necessarily a Tesla, though.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
From what I can tell they all have issues. Some more than others though
tabular@lemmy.world 6 months ago
“Software-locked” is a weird way to say you need to install Linux to get it all working properly.
Grippler@feddit.dk 6 months ago
Then it just gets “driver locked” because of some weird hardware compatibility issue with linux and you have to spend hours debugging and searching for a fix before you can drive.
Adanisi@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
What an original, modern, accurate joke
Jaysyn@kbin.social 6 months ago
Absolute garbage.
I hope someone hacks this, makes it free & makes applying it as easy as changing a channel on your TV.
ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Well, at least there’s no rare earth metals in Tesla batteries that are sourced from countries with exploitative labor practices. Might as well waste a few to create an artificially shittier product.
noodlejetski@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Tesla section on XDA forums when
kayaven@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Your warranty is now void. I am not responsible for bricked devices, flat tires, an empty fuel tank, or you getting fired because the fart app goes off at random. Please do some research if you have any concerns about features included in this ROM before flashing it! YOU are choosing to make these modifications, and if you point the finger at me for messing up your device, I will laugh at you.
shortwavesurfer@monero.town 6 months ago
Is xda still a real player? Last i saw of it it was becoming a shell and shit was dumbly moving to telegram (bleh)
dinckelman@lemmy.world 6 months ago
The forum structure is a complete shitshow, so if your device isn’t the prime target for mods, it’s very uncomfortable to use
Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Good news is that now people have decent options for non-Tesla EVs.
Now we just need to make sure those cars have access to widespread and reliable charging. NACS is a good start, but NACS cars will only have access to less than a third of Telsa’s network.
TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 6 months ago
It really depends. If by “offering 40-60 more miles” he means being able to fully deplete or charge your EV battery, that’s a good way of bringing down its longevity. A particularly scummy CEO might first hard lock your EV battery buffer so they don’t have to deal with insurance on battery degradation complaints, and only after it’s out of insurance coverage they would remove those locks to accelerate how fast your EV battery degrades, which generally tends to cost about as much as a new car to replace.
buzz86us@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I’d be game for ads if it took $5k off sticker lol
Hugh_Jeggs@lemm.ee 6 months ago
And therein lies the problem ☝️
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Cars are fucking expensive.
Would I take a $5k discount on a vehicle on a vehicle for Ads-In-Vehicle? Absolutely.
Would I then invest less-than-$5k in DIY aftermarket ad-block? Absolutely.
thejml@lemm.ee 6 months ago
God, I hate this timeline.
Jaysyn@kbin.social 6 months ago
I can't even imagine being that big of a sucker.
john89@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
Have you seen the pornos? Everyone gets laid with a Tesla. That alone is enough to get people to buy it.
Woozythebear@lemmy.world 6 months ago
It makes me happy that Telsa did this because Tesla owners deserve this.
TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Maybe the Tesla owners who still somehow worship or apologize for Musk, but most of them don’t deserve this at all. A lot of Tesla drivers dislike Musk and regret their purchases at this point.
They were the best electric car to buy for a long time. I don’t fault anyone for buying them in the past. If anyone buys one now, with all the information, and other options we have now, then maybe they’d deserve it.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 6 months ago
We don’t deserve a country where companies can do this
SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Honestly it makes sense if it pushes the batteries out of the optimal (say 40-80%) charge level.
E.g. it wears out the battery faster.
But if, and only if, you’re getting an extension on the warranty where Tesla is eating the cost of the replacements.
tabular@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Pay to disable a power save mode??