I remember back when YouTube had ads. Haven’t had that issue for years now though.
YouTube's war against third party apps is just as ridiculous as its war on adblockers
Submitted 6 months ago by AnActOfCreation@programming.dev to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.androidpolice.com/youtubes-war-against-third-party-apps-is-ridiculous/
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TheUncannyObserver@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
IllNess@infosec.pub 6 months ago
On my browser, they blocked recommended videos. Lol. Now I use FreeTube. Anything like that happen to you?
Alk@lemmy.world 6 months ago
FreeTube is the best.
gaylord_fartmaster@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Were you logged in? The site doesn’t recommend videos for anyone not logged in anymore.
TheUncannyObserver@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
No, I blocked it myself actually, using a plugin.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
And this is the problem with YouTube. The UI is awful and they keep degrading the experience
buzz86us@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Now it attacks, and nearly crashes my browser
hightrix@lemmy.world 6 months ago
This just in, people don’t like ads. At all. Most people.
It is time to find a new business model that works. I’m not smart enough to know what that is so that you don’t piss off customers, but whoever figures it out will be a billionaire.
magic_lobster_party@kbin.run 6 months ago
They want people to pay for premium. That’s why they’re pushing more ads. To make the free plan insufferable.
AWittyUsername@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Then they will enshitify premium when they have a large percentage on it.
pineapplelover@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Back in the early days of youtube, I didn’t mind them. Just a few ads here and there. Nowadays, the internet is barely usable unless you have an adblocker.
Setarkus@toast.ooo 6 months ago
How about a cryptominer that runs while watching videos, that would surely be a great idea :D
/s
madcaesar@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I would pay for premium IF it was a reasonable price.
I don’t want shitty music bundled or whatever fuck else they are calling it now JUST youtube.
AND here’s the big one, I want the fucking downvote count back and sponsor skip. Most videos have ads and fucking sponsor segments which are also fucking ads. I’m not paying to watch that.
And downvote count is absolutely crucial to be able to detect bullshit videos quickly.
Google is offering a shit product and asking a premium price. Fuck em.
CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I don’t mind ads in the sidebar or on that little banner across the bottom of the screen sometimes. Its when the ads completely cover the content I’m trying to watch/view and/or start auto playing at obnoxious volume that I get annoyed. (Also fuck people on metered connections right?)
Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 6 months ago
The two hour long ads that try to act like they match the title of the video are horrible.
esc27@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Maybe like a subscription where people could pay a fee to avoid ads?
hightrix@lemmy.world 6 months ago
That is absolutely a solution. But what I’m talking about is a way to monetize while keeping the service free but without showing ads.
This is the billion dollar idea. If not trillion.
DJDarren@thelemmy.club 6 months ago
The trouble with YT Premium is how much they’re charging for it.
We used a VPN to get Ukrainian family YTP for a fraction of the price they charge here in the UK. We pay something like £4 a month now for both of our accounts. That would be the better part of £20 a month if we’d done it legit. Fuck that noise.
Sure, it comes with YT Music, but I’ve literally never used that. I have Apple Music and an iPod. So £20 a month JUST TO REMOVE ADS.
Nah, fuck ‘em.
anon_8675309@lemmy.world 6 months ago
The credit card companies should have invested heavily in micropayments. If I could just pay a tiny non subscription fee for a bit of media I would do that in a heartbeat.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
Ads aren’t to bad, I watch them on TV. The problem is the targeted ads and surveillance
refalo@programming.dev 6 months ago
Most people
Then how did google make money?
Teknikal@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Google’s a dumb ass company and I strongly suspect them to be Americas replacement to the echolen program mainly due to the timing.
Seems profits getting a bit more relevant than intelligence to them these days.
Yeah I’d rather go without YouTube than deal with the ads at this point they went ridiculous with it a long time ago.
wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Isn’t the replacement to Echelon, just PRISM? Which yes Google are a part of, along with Meta, Microsoft, etc. As well as the lesser known MUSCULAR program.
Teknikal@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Could be I just can’t get over the timing of echolen suddenly being called over and Google appearing almost instantly
That said I still use Google just don’t trust it really I’ve always felt it was an intelligence company in truth and probably the echelons replacement.
Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 6 months ago
After they killed YouTube Vanced, I switched to New Pipe and never looked back ^
Cavemanfreak@lemm.ee 6 months ago
For those wondering, ReVanced launcher short after that and is even better than Vanced.
blackris@discuss.tchncs.de 6 months ago
Long time NewPipe user here, have you tried FreeTube?
Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 6 months ago
No, I’ve never even heard of this.
Hotzilla@sopuli.xyz 6 months ago
Firefox for Android, AdBlock, Firefox -> Chrome user agent fake plugin.
This supports PiP which is YouTube premium feature.
I would jump ship instantly to something better if the content would be there.
mortemtyrannis@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
Is there an iOS equivalent of this setup?
Hotzilla@sopuli.xyz 6 months ago
Firefox probably exist for iOS but I assume plugin support to be poor, because of apple.
land@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
Today, for the first time, I had 30 30-second ad on my smart TV like wtf. Is that even legal
AstralPath@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
Thirty 30 second ads? Am I reading that wrong?
land@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
Sorry for the typos. 30 second ads
Admetus@sopuli.xyz 6 months ago
The Chinese consumers have been eating up ads like that for their TVs to power on for roughly half a decade at least. I’m talking Xiaomi. Chinese consumers are the perfect ad(shit)-eating consumer; so docile and they like to burn money (I mean, they do…literally).
shortwavesurfer@monero.town 6 months ago
Eventually, the users will rebel and just stop watching, and then the video creators will follow, because if nobody’s watching, then there will be no reason to create on YouTube.
magic_lobster_party@kbin.run 6 months ago
You know this won’t happen, but I like your optimism
shortwavesurfer@monero.town 6 months ago
If you can’t have some sort of optimism, you might as well just go ahead and commit suicide because life’s not worth living.
mechoman444@lemmy.world 6 months ago
That’s never going to happen unless there’s another platform they’ll all migrate to and Rumble ain’t it.
shortwavesurfer@monero.town 6 months ago
I would personally prefer to see peer tube because it’s open source.
EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 6 months ago
Given the giant amounts of storage and bandwidth needed for video hosting… A platform is not a solution. A protocol is.
mark@programming.dev 6 months ago
Why isn’t Rumble an option? Genuinely curious. Is it because it’s not open source? or federated or something?
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
Unlikely
alexdeathway@programming.dev 6 months ago
ELI5 why can’t google pull reddit on youtube API?
AnActOfCreation@programming.dev 6 months ago
YouTube already has ToS on their API and has paid tiers. But a lot (most?) of the third-party apps and tools bypass the API and directly scrape the site.
Drewelite@lemmynsfw.com 6 months ago
So why aren’t there reddit apps that do the same?
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
Because YouTube is embedded a lot
AMDIsOurLord@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
Go to any major publication, and I mean absolutely any one, and there is a solid chance there is at least a single YT embed.
If they try to Reddit their API they’re going to lose much, much more than just giving it away
alexdeathway@programming.dev 6 months ago
X(Twitter) did it, that’s why i am little concerned.
misk@sopuli.xyz 6 months ago
Google being an ass about alternative YouTube clients is somewhat dumb but they likely prefer to control user experience. They’re a for profit entity so it shouldn’t be that surprising. Google kicking users that cost them money is not dumb.
Nommer@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Or maybe Google should just improve the experience so people want to pay for a premium subscription. But instead of investing in a better user experience they’d rather intentionally make it worse to drive consumers to pay to unshitify it. But instead they’re blowing loads of cash to fight a war with they’re customers. They are dumb.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Yup. I’ve considered paying for YouTube premium, but:
- it’s too expensive for how much I watch
- the YouTube app kinda sucks - NewPipe is nice to use (adjust volume and brightness by sliding a finger)
- it’s unclear how much creators get from my subscription
- there’s still sponsorships and whatnot
Nebula gets rid of the ads and sponsorships, and my understanding is creators get a larger cut vs YouTube. Grayjay allows me to follow multiple streaming services and has the volume/brightness management bits as well. I’m willing to pay for both of them because they bring value, YouTube doesn’t.
misk@sopuli.xyz 6 months ago
We’ll never know since we don’t have numbers that Google does. Sadly, that also makes Google the best candidate to determine what’s the best strategy for them :p
Admetus@sopuli.xyz 6 months ago
YouTube already did the math, as did almost every single company and corporation on the planet.
There’s a lot more revenue in advertising than subscriptions, especially on a website that started off entirely free (so Netflix for example goes in the subscription model rather than the advertising model but that seems to have changed!)
There’s a mass of people who follow up on these advertisements. The latest advertisements I’ve encountered on YouTube are really really calculated and well scripted. For example the digital dollar advertisements sound like they’re going to save you from financial ruin. It’s clever and it’s working. Money is pouring in.
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Or maybe Google should just improve the experience so people want to pay for a premium subscription.
The problem is that YouTube kind of already peaked, you can’t really make something that works well better
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
I don’t think the for profit changes anything necessarily. The problem is size and impossible situations bad worse by bad leadership
balder1991@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Ironically, without an ad blocker it’s hard to read the Android Police blog.
RagingInside@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I turned mine off just because of your comment and I counted 15 on that page. 🤢🤮
qui@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
Mastengwe@lemm.ee 6 months ago
You can fix the problem by just…. Not using YouTube.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
Name another platform that has anyway near the similar popularity or usability (usability on third party apps)
Mastengwe@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Irrelevant. If I don’t like something, I don’t use it. If I do like it, I don’t complain about it.
unreasonabro@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Allegiance to Google is what’s ridiculous, they haven’t deserved to exist since their IPO and the parasite they are needs to be pulled off the internet
liam070@sopuli.xyz 6 months ago
Or the war on drugs
art@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I create content that goes into YouTube. I generate a tiny bit of revenue from that. I have no say into how YouTube treats my viewers. If you watch the ads, awesome, I get some money. If not, I’m just glad you watched the video.
The majority of content on the platform is made up of channels my size and smaller. Most of us are getting paid pennies.
But YouTube doesn’t care about us. They want to appease the larger studios.
CalcProgrammer1@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
Youtube doesn’t care about the collective “you” that is its namesake. It hasn’t for over a decade. Itps all about the big studio level productions. It’s no better than the mainstream television networks at this point.
unphazed@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Maybe its due to my age, but I use YT for tutorials on diy or fixing shit. I get 20s in, then whammo, ad. Just as the guy is focusing in on the area I need to see. I am watching a 5min video and 2min of ads… it is ridiculous.
iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Tubemate. Tubular. Newpipe. Ublock if nothing else.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Don’t forget that if you have to rewind a part to see something the creator blew past that you needed to see and you get another two ads. Fuck that noise.
Brewchin@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I think you’ve got the right approach, FWIW.
Not sure that big business favouritism is the intent, but it’s definitely more lucrative for them. Especially with Vimeo and other alternatives out there.
I remember when streaming took off in a big way - some on YT and others on justin.tv (later Twitch and now Amazon’s Twitch) - and I thought you’d have to be objectively bonkers to rely upon an opaque and ever-changing algorithm for your financial future. Some have gamed it well, but it’s pretty easy to see how they’ve survived - fake shock/reaction content, alt-light or worse content, polarising opinion, thinly-veiled advertorials, and so on.
simplejack@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I’d argue that there are a couple of studios that are still mostly focusing on making good content, not click bate.
Maybe I’m crazy, but I think YouTubers like MKBHD are generally playing it straight. Trying to stay on top by getting better and better content.
Although, these people tend to burnout eventually. They have to keep running a faster mile.
Squizzy@lemmy.world 6 months ago
They need to separate out the sites, big budget dailies and content creators, your run of the mill every day creators and a video uploading site.
Theyncant be all things, simultaneously pushing shorts and videos over 15 minutes.