Submitted 10 months ago by tsonfeir@lemm.ee to technology@lemmy.world
A neuromorphic supercomputer called DeepSouth will be capable of 228 trillion synaptic operations per second, which is on par with the estimated number of operations in the human brain
In seven and half million years it will print “42” to its terminal
What if we just type in 42 and let it think about that for seven and half million years?
Maybe it would answer with the question, jeopardy style
Okay, well - I’ve done it for you.
GOFAI: “Pardon me?”
All that because we didn’t think of asking the question first. God damnit.
I HAVE a human brain and I’m not too smart. It just sounds like we’re making a dumb supercomputer
If your human brain could simulate a human brain, then we’d really be excited.
Computers aren’t that smart either. But they work the opposite to us.
Things we are good at they are bad at (vision, motor control, speech) and vice versa (complex calculations, working memory)
Let’s hope so…
That’s the smartest reply to this post.
Barely related, but this reminded me of something one of my undergrad tutors said to me while complaining about the fastmath compiler switch: “I don’t need my program to arrive extremely quickly at the wrong answer! I can do that perfectly fine myself!”
Even if we had AI that is no smarter than humans it would still be a million time faster at processing information
To be fair, simulating the brain of a person from the deep south isn’t that hard. I can already do that with a 9v battery and a block of cheddar.
Skeptical. As of August 2023, there are scientists still struggling with simulating C. Elegans- a single celled organism.
We don’t even fully understand the brain itself, let alone how to recreate it.
This is token click bait scientific “journalism”
What’s the progress of Human Connectome Project?
If Devs was to be believed, it could totally predict the behavior patterns of that single-celled organism 20 seconds into the future. :rollseyes:
Look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power.
And we’re using it to look at memes of beans
Memes and beans is a noble cause.
Not too long ago it would take a room like that to mimic a fraction of the power in my watch. Heck, I’ve got more power on my wrist than it took to get to the moon.
By orders of magnitude if it’s a smartwatch.
To be fair our brain took millions of years of evolution, while this supercomputer took only a few years to be developed, maybe in the future this can all fit in a phone perhaps.
Are you saying you're a Viltrumite?
nice
You really have to appreciate the fact they called this thing “Deep South”.
it's kind of like how Data and Lore's retarded brother was called B-4.
I feel dumber learning that, thanks.
Do we know which human brain is going to simulate or does any human brain? Because some brains are just not worth it.
Abby. Abby Normal?
It’s gonna be adolf hitlers brains
We’ll get Robo-Hitler at some point.
Just glad it isn’t mine. I have enough problems without Black Mirror bullshit
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Me: I can already have access to both of those. If I plug you in do you promise to kill the bankers and politicians first?
I have huge ethical concerns, but even more so I wanna know how they think they can start up a brain minus the development process.
To actually simulate a brain you’d have to put its connections and weights in there and AFAIK that data simply doesn’t exist. Not even the connections.
What this is is a computer capable of simulating neuronal nets of the size of the brain… and AFAIU only the synaptic network. There’s a hell a lot more going on in actual wetware, think neurotransmitters, plasticity, gene expression changing on the fly etc. To actually simulate a brain you’d either have to have a scan that’s rather inconceivable to get in the necessary detail, or you need to grow it virtually from virtual DNA, simulate the development of the whole body and an environment for it to develop properly as our genome expects environmental stimulus, a mould to grow in.
That’s pretty much what I got from the article, that they managed to build a computer that theoretically has the horsepower to compare to a human brain, but specifically what they want to use it for was more vague in the article than the headline implies.
Your last paragraph is spot on imo if they are going to straight-up simulate intelligence. People underestimate how much “training” we go through ourselves. Millions of years of evolution training our instincts encoded in dna + training through a body with dozens of senses (input data), that can manipulate itself and interact with the environment (output data) and observe the results (more input data) for at least a few years starting from embryo.
As soon as I saw the word “wetware” my mind started picturing all of this like some shit you’d see in a Cronenberg film lol
We’re on the same page it seems, but did you just quote Ex Machina?
Now imagine you’re a brain that’s been properly scanned into this computer. What about your environment? Are they emulating your sensory input? There’s just so much about this that makes me expect the being to be suffering terribly.
Relevant: youtu.be/0Gkhol2Q1og?si=QULzMbNN59hey8GF
People like to dramatically simplify what they think is good or bad. A living being needs so very much more than just a sustained existence.
I welcome the path towards singularity (not that any of us will likely be alive for it…).
I reject it entirely. People can’t get over what shape their genitals are. There’s no goddamn way we can trust anyone to be in charge of an entire emulated being, even with a large staff of people fretting over every detail with checks and balances in place.
If I say I wanna die(and I do) I get an army of people telling me how stupid and wrong I am. “It gets better.” No it doesn’t. You wanna know why they reject my desire to die? It’s because what they want from me matters more than ethics to them. I’m not granted personal agency as an actual living being. How can we trust anyone when it’s “just a machine” and there’s power dynamics at hand? Political image leads people to keep downs syndrome people who self harm alive while they pretend for the camera that they’re providing a healthy fulfilling life for them.
Nobody is ready for this.
Brain scans. It’s actually a person.
Every time someone says they have a computer that’s better than humans, I make a plan in my head to dunk on it. No computer will ever understand the concept of slam dunks.
I never thought I would use a phrase like this, but it looks like I have something in common with the Deep South
Another artificial idiot for the pile.
Cool, can we give it depression and ADHD?
Sure! Just let it connect to the Internet! It’s what worked for me!
Definitely give it some anxiety.
It’s not going to ask.
I'm guessing it doesn't run on chicken nuggets and macaroni and cheese.
Cool, the first computer to blow its brains out.
Paywalled.
I’m really glad that they’re doing this I think this is important work and I hope that one day I can suck its dick
Are they planning to run an uploaded intelligence?
Just put neuro sama inside
I wish I could turn mine on…
Who wants to bet it just screams “Let Me OUT!” until it overheats and fries itself?
AI rampancy, the free space of the apocalypse bingo card
Can I shutdown yet?
This is perfect timing for WWIII, “Clash of the Drones”
Rick’s basilisk is almost finished!
Yeah no
ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
A better title would be “Supercomputer that could conceivably simulate entire human brain, based on some rough estimate of what it would take to do that if we had any idea how to do that, will switch on in 2024”.
gibmiser@lemmy.world 10 months ago
For real. I’m reading the title all wondering how the fuck they mapped all the neuron connections and… nope, the real innovative part of the story is clickbait
neuropean@kbin.social 10 months ago
That’s only counting connections. The brain learns by making new connections, through complex location and timing dependent inputs from other neurons. It’s way more complex than the number of connections, and if neuroscientists are still studying the building blocks we don’t have much hope of recreating it.
Geek_King@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I get so tired of these half-truth spun news article headlines. Thank you for bring it back down to reality.
Warl0k3@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Four grad students out there hand-entering NXML rows while squinting at AI enhanced SEM images should be able to get all 228T done by… next quarter, right?
This is setting aside that bus capacity is the bottleneck vs. compute power and they have yet to demonstrate bus performance of a full 228T connections/second with implicit timing which, to my knowledge, has never been demonstrated in a system a tiny fraction of this size. Though that’s not to say it’s impossible, but while this machine is incredibly powerful the comparison to human brains is predictably inaccurate…
EmergMemeHologram@startrek.website 10 months ago
Bizarroland@kbin.social 10 months ago
Relevant XKCD
https://xkcd.com/505/