Dear Plato, In your perfect world of forms, what is the form of a planet. Or is this just something arbitrary we came up with.
Pluto is still a planet, just a dwarf one
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greedytacothief@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
HrabiaVulpes@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
We degraded status of planet named after god of underworld… and the world started going down the drain.
Starik@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
m3t00@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago dwarves would like a word
mech@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
The new definition is bullshit. Even earth hasn’t fully cleared its orbit.
Gótefodamn Inyalowdas just wanna keep my home Eris down, Sasa Ke?
deft@lemmy.wtf 2 weeks ago
Lol this was a good comment
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
I fucking hate this shit so much. THIS is what “science” means to average Americans, making posts on the internet about being emotional about how a fucking planet is or isn’t classified.
No real curiosity, or desire to understand anything. Just repeat the meme so everyone knows that you’re in on the “culture"too and lol omg Pluto is a planet and that is so important to me guys.
It’s not “just fun,” It’s just another facet of the pervasive anti-intellectualism in this country.
Jumi@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Memes are just internet insiders so of course you’d find “I’m in on the joke"-stuff in this part of it. So stop whinging.
GraniteM@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: I’m not concerned with Pluto’s feelings. If it’s too small, has an irregular orbit, hasn’t cleared it’s immediate vicinity, etc., then fine, it doesn’t meet the objective standards by which we’re going to define planets going forward, that’s totally acceptable.
But saying that a dwarf planet isn’t a planet is just bad etymology. It’s got the word planet right in there, but it’s not a planet? That’s super confusing for the casual user.
Planetoid, on the other hand, had been in common use for literally decades, and it makes perfectly good etymological sense. Asteroid = star-like, because if you’re not careful you might mistake it for a star. Planetoid = planet-like, for the same reason.
I don’t want justice for Pluto, I want justice for linguistic clarity!
Erusset@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Should be something like PeniPlanet/PaenPlanet = “Almost a planet”, Like Peninsula/Paeninsula = “Almost an island”
Mad_Punda@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
https://youtube.com/watch?v=grdu6UBK76w
Recommended watch
RamenJunkie@midwest.social 2 weeks ago
I love how he mentions Pluto like… once.
NotEasyBeingGreen@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
That was fun, thanks!
gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 3 weeks ago fun fact: it’s also the only planet discovered by an american, which i suspect is why americans have such a big “pluto is a planet” movement - they’re proud of the only planet they discovered.
i’ve literally never heard anyone argue about whether pluto is a planet over here in europe. it’s just not an issue.
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I mean, there was a group of Europeans that were pretty adamant about it not being a planet.
roker@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
This comment takes the cake for the weirdest anti-American comment I’ve read on Lemmy today. I get it, America is bad, but how in the sam’s hell did you come to the conclusion that it had anything to do with an American discovering it? (90% of the country probably doesn’t know that, btw)
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah as an American I had no idea. Our main source of pride with space is the whole walking on the moon thing.
RamenJunkie@midwest.social 2 weeks ago
Not just an American, one from Illinois. And Illinois passed a law so Pluto is legally still a planet.
https://columbiachronicle.com/metro/79ce17ec-ff01-5e3d-88f4-60f2480ce7fa/
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Wow, what a stupid fucking waste of time and money.
I’m struggling to put into words why this shit irks me so much… It’s like they’re trying to turn mainstream understanding of science into a team sport like they’ve done with politics.
In fact, now that I think about it that way it makes complete sense, and it’s been wildly successful.
- gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
“People still love Pluto; they always have,” Sweitzer said. “Think of it this way. Let’s say you have a dozen cats at home, but one of them has always been kind of strange. It’s furry like a cat. It has four legs like a cat. But every so often it barks. But you just think, ‘Oh, that’s just strange Sparky. He’s a little off.’ Then one day you learn about dogs and all of a sudden you realize Sparky is actually not a cat at all-he’s a dog. That doesn’t change how much you love Sparky. And that is how it is with Pluto.”
whoa that’s charming :3
Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I don’t think most Americans are aware of Pluto being an American discovery. That would require scientific and historical knowledge, both things that are not our strong points.
I say this as an American astronomy nerd.
kevin2107@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
facts
melsaskca@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
What about in the old myths where Pluto, Neptune, Mars were used as god’s names? Weren’t they referring to the planets back then?
troglodytis@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Pluto never changed, we did
FundMECFS@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
Exactly. Planet is a social construct and we changed the threshold for what was considered one.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
No, our scientific understanding evolved, and a classification of something changed. It’s really not any deeper than that.
Happens constantly in science. Kind of one of its defining features actually
troglodytis@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The beauty of science. Most exciting when we find out we’re incorrect
Lemminary@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Way to beat a dead horse, Lemmy
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Wait until you find out what they did to Ceres!!!
Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Is Peter Dinklage not a human? What about Linda Hunt?
a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Dinklage has been on the record pulling up the ladder after getting money and fame so imma vote “no.”
Crostro@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Didn’t even the poor guy finish a whole victory lmao around the sun either
Zidane@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
I’ll never forgive or forget what they did to you Pluto
carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago why do so many people care that some big rock had its category of big rock changed…
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
It honestly irks the fuck out of me that people care so much (or pretend to care as some form of cultural pantomime?).
Turning science into a team sport. What could possibly go wrong.
NotEasyBeingGreen@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
People care about things not because of some intrinsic value, but because of our relationship to them.
We love our pets, and don’t really care about food animals. We are upset when a friend is in an accident, but not about people who died 500 years ago. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Lumidaub@feddit.org 3 weeks ago They thought they were being taught a capital T Truth about how the world works and they were never told that that’s not how science works. So when science took away that Truth, their entire worldview was in peril because what other Truths can just be thrown out willy-nilly?!
chunes@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Because it broke our mnemonics.
My very educated mother just served us nine pizzas.
Pizzas. Nine of them.
Not nachos.
Successful_Try543@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
In German, my father now has to explain the entire *night sky*, not just *our nine planets*.
socsa@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Pluto is not sentient. It cares not for the judgement of men.
- Lumidaub@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
It would have to be sapient to care for the judgement anyway.
Haaveilija@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Rock and stone!
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
I like to imagine the alternative world, where instead of deplanetizing Pluto, they planetized all the dwarf planets and planetoids in our system.
- gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
in fact, there are only glowing stars and non-glowing stars :)
mkwt@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
If that happened, then school children would no longer be required to learn the names of all of the planets. That’s just a practical concern with adding another several dozen planets to the list.
And I think it is worthwhile to make kids learn the names and some basic facts about the 8 planets we have.
Deconceptualist@leminal.space 3 weeks ago
Did you ever have to memorize the periodic table? This would be a walk in the park by comparison, at least using the current dwarf planet definition.
frog@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
The Earth’s Moon is about 1.5 times bigger than Pluto.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The earth’s moon is an extreme outlier to our knowledge. Thea made our world weird
bob_lemon@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
And the 2006 decimation of planet that made Pluto not a planet explicitly added “must not orbit another object” to stop the moon from being a planet.
ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
And Titan is 6% bigger than Mercury.
mrsemi@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
in Asimov’s Foundation series, there is (was) a galaxy-spanning human civilization, but Earth was lost and mostly considered mythical. One of the arguments against it actually existing was the absurdity of such a double planet system existing. In the wider galaxy only giant planets had such large satellites.
DrWorm@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 weeks ago
diverging@piefed.social 3 weeks ago How many planets are in orbit around the sun? 8
How many planets are in the entire universe? 8, because a planet has to orbit the sun.- Lumidaub@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
That’s just for our own solar system.
- diverging@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
The IAU resolution (pdf) that they voted on does not include what comes after “More generally”. The page that you link to is apparently the source and is not official.
DivineDev@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
How many planets have ever completed an orbit around the sun: 8, since Pluto has such a long orbital period that in it’s entire time as a planet it did not even finish a single one.
- diverging@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Pluto has completed millions of orbits around the sun.
At the time of the IAUs release of the definition of a planet, Neptune had not completed an orbit since its discovery, and yet they still called it a planet. Clearly, this weird and arbitrary statement that you have put forth did not matter.
mrsemi@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Take a lesson from space
They say “Pluto’s not a planet”
Do you think that Pluto gives a shit?
Pluto is not gonna quit
‘Cause Pluto can take a hit
And Pluto knows what Pluto is
And Pluto knows that Pluto’s
Hot shit!
And you know Pluto knows it
I won’t ever be a planet, it don’t matter, ‘cause I know that I’m still
Hot shit!
And you’re hot shit too, so get out of your brain and just do what you’re supposed to do!
Hot shit!
And you know Pluto knows it
Expect some fuckin’ magic from the Dwarf Planet
Hot shit!
And you’re hot shit too, so get out of your way and just do what you were born to do!
Starik@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
With depravity I break laws of gravity
Blast past the atmosphere to the last frontier
I go boldly through space and time
The sky’s the limit, but they’re limiting the sky
I break orbit by habit
I ignite satellites and leave rings round the planets
A flying ace like that beagle
Nevertheless this alien remains illegal
Cause their discovery don’t cover me, the immigrants
Been left in the cold to grow old and disintegrate
Discriminate against the distant and disclaim this
Cause small minds can’t see past Uranus
But I shun their rays, cause stun’s just a phase
And my odyssey runs in 2001 ways
And I can see clearly now like Hubble
Shoved off the shuttle, here’s my rebuttal It’s a planet
Who do you represent? I represent the smallest planet
Attorney in this tourney versus those who tried to ban it
If you don’t agree, go see Interplanet Janet
Cause the sun is star, like Pluto is planet
So lend me all your ears and let me state my case
About all the types of satellites we must embrace
Cause like parents’ great-grandparents
This planet was an immigrant; to deport it’s an offense
It’s an upstanding member of the solar system
Apply the laws of Earth and make it a victim
Of Proposition 187
When Pluto spawns a moon it will apply to the heavens
I’ll damn thee like Judas of Iscariot
If you demote this mote remote to affiliate
It’s like taking ET’s custody from Elliot
Support your Lilliput, ‘cause simply put
Pluto is a planet. Pluto!
Pluto is a planet. Pluto!
Pluto is a planet. Pluto!
Pluto is a planet. Pluto!
Do it
For the
Children
If not for yourself
Pluto
Is a
MousePotatoDoesStuff@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
I came here to reference this too :D
PugJesus@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
This is outrageous. It’s unfair!
MutantTailThing@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Calm down Anakin
Oisteink@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I know!! And I heard they’re making Jupiter female!!
- Lumidaub@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
It also has a bunch of new, much less scarily big friends now. HulkAbsoluteWin.png
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It didn’t even get a single year