I went on a site the other day, and a massive popup appeared before I could do anything.
“We Respect Your Privacy”
1200+ “data partners”.
Big blue “Accept” button.
Yeah, no you don’t.
Great! I like getting tracked by 766 third parties! thanks Outlook
Submitted 11 months ago by Tibert@jlai.lu to technology@lemmy.world
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Blackmist@feddit.uk 11 months ago
bigFab@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Big brown ‘Eat 💩’ button
SuckMyWang@lemmy.world 11 months ago
They mean we respect your privacy because we were forced to and we whined and bitched about it the whole time.
NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Wait until the EU tells them (funny enough that their own lawyers didn’t tell them?) that they are required to name each party specifically and together with the specific purpose of their data sharing.
moriquende@lemmy.world 11 months ago
They probably do in “Manage preferences”. Stuff you can give to an intern to accomplish has never been a deterrent.
echodot@feddit.uk 11 months ago
That’s not what it’s there for. It’s not supposed to be a deterrent. The rule is there to be informative.
Think about what would happen if one of their partners was the police or the government. That would give them some pretty deep access that you may not want them to have.
NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 11 months ago
They probably do in “Manage preferences”.
That’s not sufficient. For asking any kind of consent, the complete & specific info must be given before. Like “I agree to things that you have written somewhere else” - that is no consent.
And they have the burden of proof.
killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 11 months ago
766 third parties
Facebook: look what they need to mimic a fraction of my power
ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 11 months ago
Facebook: “All third parties”
tias@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
“How many third parties?”
“Yes.”
bleistift2@feddit.de 11 months ago
Outlook also sends all your email, including those from other accounts, to their cloud. No questions asked. Oh, also your password, because why not?
lemmyvore@feddit.nl 11 months ago
Mails, passwords, calendars and contacts. Basically everything. Here’s another blog article: mailbox.org/…/warning-new-outlook-sends-passwords…
Tibert@jlai.lu 11 months ago
Sending the entire email content to their cloud isn’t that good.
However an advantage to doing so is to be able to use push notifications on the app without having to poll continuously the email address from the device. Which in return reduces the battery usage compared to constant polling.
However, they could have done something like spark mail, only get the email subject, sender and a little bit of the content to put into the noficiation then delete after the push notificdation has been sent.
BaardFigur@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The creator of FairEmail had a good solution for that, notifications are nearly instant, doesn’t use a thirdparty for Microsoft or Windows, and very low battery usage. Don’t know how he solved it, though
bleistift2@feddit.de 11 months ago
I’ll take a massive privacy breach for a bit more battery life any time. What could go wrong?
deweydecibel@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Can’t even turn autosave on for Word docs anymore without letting Microsoft save your shit to the cloud.
Alivrah@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The clouds are hungry for your digital flesh and bones
FrenLivesMatter@lemmy.today 11 months ago
See, Microsoft cares so much about you they’ll even make a backup of all of your emails, completely for free. And here you are complaining…
e_mc2@feddit.nl 11 months ago
I hate with the intensity of a million suns that they always have this absolute fucking bullshit argument “For better experience”.
theterrasque@infosec.pub 11 months ago
Or “for your security”
jimbo@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Privacy aside, not having your email offline on your device is objectively a poorer experience.
elias_griffin@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Also, it’s the language scam of the decade to have a [privacy] agreement or terms with a “third party” which is basically anonymous/anyone/indeterminate/changing/.
mojo@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Literally who would knowingly accept that
Blackmist@feddit.uk 11 months ago
I’ve been a software developer for nearly 25 years now, and I can tell you this.
No cunt reads anything.
Something pops up over the top of what they want, they’ll click OK.
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
As the spouse of an inpatient person who doesn’t like tech, you’re completely correct.
AnAngryAlpaca@feddit.de 11 months ago
With dark patterns you can “guide” the user to click a particular button, for example by having “accept” in a large, bright stand out colored button, and the “reject” button in a low contrast, small or disabled looking button.
This will not prevent people from clicking reject, but it shifts the percentage of people clicking accept vs reject in the websites favor.
Demdaru@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I am just abguy who knows shit about computers and family knows it.
The amount of stuff I had to remove after people next next next’d an adware installation agreement during installing other stuff…
theterrasque@infosec.pub 11 months ago
Or they call tech support and say their computer doesn’t work anymore
saze@feddit.uk 11 months ago
Users not reading shit I can understand but it makes my blood boil when it your own bloody colleagues.
Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
Being as I’m forced to use outlook for work… At least it’s just my work persona they are tracking and selling? That guy is wild.
INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone 11 months ago
media.tenor.com/SQFmOCFd88gAAAAC/buttsmarnn.gif
Dat work persona though
jimbo@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Me. I legitimately don’t care and I haven’t yet had anyone explain to me over the last few decades what the big bad is that should make me care. Oh noes, some companies are going to analyze my data to scam each other for marketing dollars with generally worthless statistical data.
GiddyGap@lemm.ee 11 months ago
At least there’s a “Reject all” button.
lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 11 months ago
God can you imagine.
768 collapsed areas for each one. You have to expand that area and click the small slider with a 3 second UI freeze each time you do.
Then at the end when you click apply, you get a spinning wheel with “Applying your choices” that seems like it has timed out.
JustMy2c@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Of course I can imagine, I ve used windows for thirty years now.
SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
This is pretty much fandom
lunatic@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
That’s when I pop open the developer console and write some code to automate clicking them all out of spite
DoomsdaySprocket@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
But half of them have a web link to go to another website’s main page, in order to manually find the overall 3rd party opt out, which it may or may not remember on the next site you visit that uses it, but you can’t tell so you better do it again anyway next time.
Even I get partway through and I wonder if I’m not getting too old for this internet shit. I guarantee most people are not bothering.
finestnothing@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Fun fact! If you have outlook on your phone with a work account added, chances are IT has admin access to your phone and can remotely wipe it at any time. Also means that your phone can be collected as evidence if you or the company is involved in a court case possibly related to emails
echodot@feddit.uk 11 months ago
Ok I’ve tested this with some users that definitely do have their work emails on their private phones and I can’t see what this setting is. Are you sure about this, it seems super dodgy?
tankplanker@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Modern way of doing it is via intune: learn.microsoft.com/en-us/mem/…/devices-wipe
You can force registration of the device before they can access the environment, and you can enforce all sorts of things.
Rootiest@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Just put your work apps in your Work profile.
That’s exactly why Android has this function, so they can only remotely access/wipe that profile.
Gestrid@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
My school required this. They forced me to grant the Outlook app admin access to my phone in order to be able to add my school email in the app.
Exusia@lemmy.world 11 months ago
To reset a password for work. Apparently eHub doesnt work on Firefox, it has to be edge or chrome. Called the Help Center and they asked if I was using chrome and I said no Firefox. “You don’t uh…have anything like chrome on your phone?” “no, I might be able to access a work computer with chrome but I’m not putting a chromium browser on my device” (it’s there because android, but all its permissions are cut off)
She just had to sit on hold while I logged on on a work computer to reset everything where if they just fucking made a webpage to work on Firefox we could have not had the conversation in the first place.
Smokeydope@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Thats gross. Just no. Use thunderbird or some other FOSS email client, at least outlook is somewhat limited with its spyware BS when you get mail through IMAP
bigFab@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I tried using thunderbird for work MS email, but TB seem to be in the blacklist of my company (a professional school btw).
It popped me to ask for one time permission from the administrators and I did. They answered me ‘TB is not YET trustable by them’. The incident is still ‘in progress’ after 10 months.
Then I found Ao. Pure gold.
ji88aja88a@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Wouldn’t that be Au? 🤣
But seriously, what is Ao ? I search but get AOL results only.
Gestrid@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
I mainly use FairMail on my phone. It’s got features that attempt to remove tracking from received emails, including blocking suspected tracking images from loading.
kadotux@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
Ao?
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 11 months ago
All MS software should be considered spyware.
It’s just a shame that Outlook doesn’t really have an alternative with the same level of functionality (not without spending a while adding on a bunch of add-ons anyway), and many workplaces (including mine) enforce use of Outlook and other MS software.
dojan@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Honestly don’t mind when workplaces enforce X or Y. It’s not like any of my personal stuff goes on the work equipment anyway, nor is work stuff going on my personal equipment.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Fair enough. Unfortunately some bosses force staff to have Outlook and/or Teams on their personal phones as well. I hate it.
webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
Don’t worry there actively working on making outlook as functional as the alternatives.
The “new version” appears like the browser version in a wrapper. So many features are just missing, like pinning a shared mailbox to your favorites.
maxwisecracks@lemmy.world 11 months ago
they’re
Dasnap@lemmy.world 11 months ago
How’s Thunderbird nowadays?
Aceticon@lemmy.world 11 months ago
If workspaces want to facilitate industrial espionage, who am I to complain!?
EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
Libreoffice? Open office? Thunderbird? Proton unlimited with its calendar?
helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Cooperate uses what ever other cooperate uses
profdc9@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It’s a wonder how Outlook and Exchange Server are used by most companies, many of which have sensitive confidential and proprietary data. Choosing Microsoft is all about having someone to blame for your security problems, not achieving secure communications and storage.
krakenx@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Legal agreements protect how Microsoft can use business’s data.
pastermil@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
766 = 365 * 2 + 36
Astongt615@lemmy.one 11 months ago
Is this the new Metric to Imperial Windows conversion?
BaardFigur@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Guess they should change their product name to office365 * 2 + 36
schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
That then is one third party, one fourth party, one fifth party, …, and one 768th party, amirite?
thanks_shakey_snake@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Oh well as long as it’s their legitimate interest, then by all means!
lemann@lemmy.one 11 months ago
Admiral Ads: We value your privacy
Me: Reject All
Admiral Ads: Some parties cannot be rejected due to LeGiTiMaTe InTeReStS
Me: my legitimate interests are PiHole and uBO then 🙃Quicky@lemm.ee 11 months ago
In their defence, that is the correct term for this kind of data processing. Legitimate Interest
Immersive_Matthew@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
It really does shock me, even though it should not at this point, that nearly all governments, even more progressive ones in terms of privacy, are absolutely just watching from the sidelines as the fabric of their own society is deteriorating. Bravo leaders. Bravo. /s
lemann@lemmy.one 11 months ago
!mildlyinfurating@lemmy.world
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Mildly?
arandomthought@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Wait, is this real? o_O
sagrotan@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Your own fault, sorry. It’s common knowledge these days that you shouldn’t use microsoft products.
MrOxiMoron@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Nope, the extreme battery saver greys out all disabled apps and leaves others alone. Calling is colored, messaging… and outlook.
BilboBargains@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Why not 767?
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
I heard it’s up to 769 now.
MrOxiMoron@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Outlook sucks, the android app is marked as an essential/core app, meaning even in super battery saver it’s running in the background eating away a shitton of battery when you really don’t want it to do that.
hotkinkyjo@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Honytawk@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
I mean, do you not see the “Reject all” button?
apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Quicky@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Agree this is bullshit, but at least there’s a Reject All button which is far more than we probably would have got prior to the introduction of GDPR.
mypasswordis1234@lemmy.world 11 months ago
reject() { accept(); } accept() { sendData(); }
Honytawk@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
If they did that, the EU would be on their heels.
You can bet they have been wary ever since the IE debacle.
yum@lemmy.eco.br 11 months ago
Funny you say that. When I received this popup I noticed that hovering the mouse over one option, also highlights the other. Not suspicious at all!