their handlers have changed the narrative
Stereotypical religious nutjobs in the 80s and 90s were all "The end is nigh!" Now that science supports them, they're all "Everything is A-OK!"
Submitted 11 months ago by Underwaterbob@lemm.ee to showerthoughts@lemmy.world
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originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 11 months ago
Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 11 months ago
To be fair, so has science. Which also to be fair is because of real life evidence, not whatever passes for evidence to the religious.
originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 11 months ago
i spose youre right... we all have to choose our information proxies.. they just choose poorly.
otter@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Also it depends on the conspiracy
“Climate issues won’t end humanity, X will instead”
I don’t think there are many people who are simply content with the world. Being content might actually be better
WhiteHawk@lemmy.world 11 months ago
X will instead
Goddammit, Elon
abbadon420@lemm.ee 11 months ago
“Climate issues won’t end humanity, X will instead”
Or even
“Climate issues will end humanity”
That just sounds like the 21st century version of “memento mori”. We’ve decided a long time ago that that was not a good credo. So, I like to live by “we’re not dead yet”
Alto@kbin.social 11 months ago
For a certain portion, it's because some have become outright theocratic accelerationists. They actively want the situation to get worse, because that means Jesus comes back!
CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 11 months ago
I believe they’re called Dominionists. These are the people that want a major war in Israel because it means Jesus is coming back.
electrogamerman@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I dont get it. Isnt the whole Jesus shit that we have to act good?
Alto@kbin.social 11 months ago
That implies that any of them have ever actually read the bible
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Depends on what part of the texts you read. Gnostics it is by understanding secret knowledge, Paul it is much more by just having the correct faith, James is the act good guy. Worth noting that the likelihood is when James was arguing for works he was arguing for following the rules of Moses i.e. kosher and circumcision not exactly running a charity program. Keep in mind we only know James by his apologists decades later long after the Moses rules vanished that and Paul. And Paul hints James was really concerned about those ancient Jewish laws.
June@lemm.ee 11 months ago
They’ve believed the end is near for 2000 years.
Shit, the Bible says that the rapture would happen before a particular apostle would die. Yet, here we are without a 2000 year old apostle.
The gymnastics to make it make sense are that he had a vision of the end when he ‘wrote’ Revelations.
adam_b@infosec.pub 11 months ago
[deleted]akhial@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Never said such a thing, Mohammed CLEARLY states that he doesn’t know when the world will end in several famous hadith.
In fact Mohammed said the world wouldn’t end until several things happen not the other way around.
Some of which are already happening now. Like the arabs competing to build tall buildings.
If you want to challenge this point bring a source and the we can talk.
My source: Sahih Al-Bukhari hadith number 50
Hotmailer@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You’re full of crap. I’m Muslim and Mohammed was very clear in stating how the world would end. Including how the US will be three islands way before that due to an impact of a comet. The prophecies are very detailed. Google minor and major signs of qiyama
HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
the kid grew up and died and still here we are…
what if it did end and this is actual purgatory?
Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 11 months ago
Shit, the Bible says that the rapture would happen before a particular apostle would die. Yet, here we are without a 2000 year old apostle.
Wait what, really?
June@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Matthew 16:28
I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.
Mark 9:1
And he said to them, "I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God come with power.
Luke 9:27
I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God
Re saying John wouldn’t die, that’s actually an inference but a not uncommon theological belief among evangelicals. John 21:20-23
“20 Peter turned and saw that the disciple whom Jesus loved was following them. (This was the one who had leaned back against Jesus at the supper and had said, “Lord, who is going to betray you?”) 21 When Peter saw him, he asked, “Lord, what about him?”
22 Jesus answered, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me.” 23 Because of this, the rumor spread among the believers that this disciple would not die. But Jesus did not say that he would not die; he only said, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you?”” .
Cranakis@lemmy.one 11 months ago
Matthew 24:34 (Jesus is speaking answering the question of when he will return): “Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place.”
profdc9@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Well there happens to be one man who qualifies.
c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Bold of you to assume they believe the end isn’t still right around the corner.
Most of the stereotypical religious nutjobs I know just use climate change as an example of the end times.
Ashelyn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
A lot of those types believe in climate change, but not because of fossil fuels or any of that fake news science stuff, but because it’s punishment from their god for allowing the gays to exist.
littlecolt@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Hmmm… The gays making everything hotter… This actually checks out.
SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Holy shit. Wow.
fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Well they can’t be stupid idiots if they’re actually right, so they had to switch gears.
Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Now that I think more of it outside the shower, it’s probably “stereotypical religious nutjobs of the 20th century”.
friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Read the book The Demon Haunted World, or at least the parts about satanic panic and charlatans. I really miss Carl Sagan.
Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 11 months ago
My favorite part of the satanic panic was when sometime in the eighties, our local preacher dropped by our house (we were not church goers) and saw a mangled, black candle on our kitchen table. We’d had a power outage recently, and Internet-less, kid-me loved to heat up paper clips over the flames and use them to etch the wax. Totally innocent of any dastardly doings aside from slightly mischievous me. He left in a bit of a hurry and sent along some hilarious VHS tapes decrying the evils of this and that. Particularly Dungeons and Dragons. Which was how I discovered Dungeons and Dragons and how awesome it is.
Got_Bent@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I can’t quite remember, but there’s always been this little vague memory in the back of my mind that I was taught to consider Carl Sagan as evil.
Oh seventies crazy religious upbringing. What nonsense won’t you spew?
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
Honestly the end is not near
dustyData@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Actually, this is part of the horror. Is gonna be a long, drawn out, and painful several generations long apocalypse.
postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Oh great, an inclusive apocalypse.
MJKee9@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The universe will still exist… But the end of the human animal is most certainly nigh.
Lemminary@lemmy.world 11 months ago
We’re literally the most successful animal in the planet. Even a global catastrophe won’t take us out when we’re incredibly adaptable.
It may kill a lot of people but it’s gonna be like hand sanitizer on bacteria. Even a 0.1% or even 0.01% who survive is still a whole lot of people left.
aidan@lemmy.world 11 months ago
How is it any more nigh now than 50 years ago?
leaky_shower_thought@feddit.nl 11 months ago
Why not both?
Schrodinger’s the-end-is-nigh is saying as soon as donations come in, everything is a-ok!
KarmaPolice@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Did you just watch the same Ryan George sketch as me?
Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Never heard of him, but I suspect I like the cut of his jib.
Vanix@lemmy.world 11 months ago
He has another series of videos - [some move] pitch meeting. if you liked this you’ll appreciate those. Binging his videos are super easy, barely an inconvenience!
crackajack@reddthat.com 11 months ago
Prophecies and fortune-tellings are so vague and general that a seemingly fitting event could be associated to a given prophecy and fortune-telling.
Civilisations come and go, and many societies in ancient times face upheavals on a more regular basis. My theory is that these apocalyptic prophecies came about based on these past experiences. In our pattern-searching mind, we think that the end of the world will definitely come, because humans are simply repeating the same mistakes over and over. It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy because, according to the lovable man-killing machine about humans, “it is on your nature to destroy yourselves.”
tiredofsametab@kbin.social 11 months ago
Then, they wanted more people to join their death cults before the end came. Now, I just think they're less interested.
WolfhoundRO@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Exactly what I was thinking. It was all a power play. And now that they’ve got their power, everything is “A-OK” and don’t care about the real climate Apocalypse
Angry_Maple@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Ehhhh, some of them. Last year around Christmas, a coworker of mine went on a huge rant about how evil has seeped into everything and that the antichrist is everyone. YMMV.
APassenger@lemmy.world 11 months ago
"The end is nigh, but not for the reasons you say. "
Example, and this encapsulates MUCH of US politics:
“The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood–idols that cannot see or hear or walk. Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their thefts.” Revelation 9:20-21
LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Wait a minute, does science say the end is nigh? Is this about climate change, or general humanity destroying ourselves, or both?
jol@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
Severe climate events, insects going extinct, impeding rough and water wars, micro plastics and forever chems in the water and in our bodies, possibility of total annihilation of all satelites due to space debris. Honestly it could be any number of things that finally end our civilization as we know it at this point.
ICastFist@programming.dev 11 months ago
Sometimes it really feels like these doomsday fellows are working to ensure the end comes this time around, since god failed so many times already
Bazoogle@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It’s fun to think of them as the same people. But the reality is that they’re two different people, and it’s just changed who is considered right.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 11 months ago
Tbf geopolitics used to support them instead of science. Don’t think they were pro nuclear disarmament, though.
nebula42@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Quick reminder that western evangelical Christianity is technically a death cult
Wrench@lemmy.world 11 months ago
They like the idea of a catastrophic event out of their control, or caused by sinners. They don’t like to be the cause because of their own greed and indifference.
tryptaminev@feddit.de 11 months ago
I mean there is plenty theocratic terrorists in the US, that support Israeli expansionism and want war with Iran because they hope it to cause the apocalypse.
They are very much fine, with bringing on the end times, and how they didn’t get the memo, that according to their own scripture they’ll all rot in hell for it, is truly mind boggling.
zeppo@lemmy.world 11 months ago
They think they’ll be slurped up in the Rapture and everyone else will have to deal with the tribulation. Who the fuck knows, I mean, these are Republicans and Evangelicals and Baptists and their ideas are so contradicotry and vague that they really have no idea what the fuck they think. They’re all sinners, and are going to hell, and even though Jesus died to forgive their sins, they still can’t commit sins, but they acknowledged Jesus as savior, so they’re sure to be saved.
My brother’s girlfriend found a really ridiculous pamphlet in the gutter in Albuquerque in 1998 or so about ‘what to do if you miss the rapture’. I guess like, in the bathroom? Maybe at work, sleeping? Surely you’re a great person and should have been part of it, but god missed you.
First it had a bunch of hilarious info and diagrams of what the mark of the best would be - barcode on the forehead, rice-size microchip in your hand, and a credit card slot on the back of your hand, too. It said that the FIRST thing that would happen would be that minions of the Devil would be out to destroy all copies of the bible, so one must get as many bibles as possible and hide them from Satan. That part sounds like a pretty bad idea to me.
zeppo@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Plus while there are signs of the end-times, the actual end is supposed to be Magic Jesus riding back on a majestic sled, smiting evildoers, not just some sciencey crap about warm weather and melting ice and droughts.
June@lemm.ee 11 months ago
It’s actually the antichrist that’s the real sign.
And interestingly enough, there are (imo solid) arguments that Trump fits nearly all the descriptions of what the antichrist would look like.
Pratai@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
BINGPOT.
Mango@lemmy.world 11 months ago
JACGO!