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Microsoft may replace the Start button with the Copilot AI in Windows 12

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Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Steve0Greatness@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Microsoft-may-replace-the-Start-button-with-the-Copilot-AI-in-Windows-12.762176.0.html

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  • hperrin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’ve often wondered what new and innovative ways Microsoft could find to make my computer even less likely to do what I want.

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    • Tranquilizer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      But AI, bro

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      • themurphy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        It’s very obvious that they rushed Copilot. What should have been an assistant like Jarvis in Iron Man, has literally no purpose and can’t do anything useful.

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    • joemo@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The product people who determine this shit need to be fired. If I had to guess, they’re over there planning this in Macs and shit. Force them to use their product and that will help resolve these dumb issues.

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      • vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Yep, the reason Macs are more usable is not that they are usable in general, it’s that they can’t keep the pace with Windows.

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  • hdnsmbt@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Microsoft may replace the Start button with the Copilot AI in Windows 12

    Yeah, they could also replace the start button with a shit emoji. But there’s no indication at all anybody wants to do any of that because they’re not idiots. You only said that so people visit your shitty website. In fact, not even the quote you reference for your article suggests any plans of replacing the start button whatsoever:

    “The Copilot is like the Start button,” Nadella explains. “It becomes the orchestrator of all your app experiences. So for example, I just go there and express my intent and it either navigates me to an application or it brings the application to the Copilot, so it helps me learn, query and create — and completely changes, I think, the user habits.”

    Fuck clickbait headlines and fuck websites bending any and all content to the SEO voodoo.

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    • nutsack@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      lemmy reddit is basically a misleading clickbait megaphone

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      • hdnsmbt@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        And everybody’s just happy to bitch about whatever the headline suggests without ever checking if it’s even true.

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  • casmael@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Well in that case I might replace windows 12 with not using windows 12

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    • Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Im 70% sure I’m replacing wins 11 with Linux already so join us

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    • Cethin@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      A few weeks ago when they made the search bar come back after I had told it to go away I switched to Linux. It’s weird the small annoyances that add up. It’s great so far. With KDE for the desktop environment, you can make it look however you want, including almost identical to any version of windows you want. It’s really quite usable, and generally I’m already faster and more comfortable with it than I was with windows.

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    • altima_neo@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      XP gang

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      • Anarki_@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Botnet gang :/

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  • watson387@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Nope

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  • Diplomjodler@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I love this idea. The reason people continue using Windows is because they’re used to it. Messing with the Start button is going to piss off even the most patient users. Not to mention it’ll be an absolute nightmare for any IT department. Just imagine an army of Karens calling your hotline first thing on Monday morning, yelling at you because you took away the Start button. It’ll make Windows 8 look like a huge success.

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    • magikmw@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      They already fucked with start menu and search and it’s already a problem for IT. I can’t find any app I got installed unless I spell it out right, and even then it might work with just 3/8 letters in but no further.

      Sometimes I just click through program files cause it’s faster.

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      • zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        For some fucking brilliant reason, searching update shows discord, so to find updates I have to spell it wrong

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      • scottywh@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Back to cluttering the desktop with shortcuts to everything it is then.

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      • spiderman@ani.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        sometimes you can’t find an application even when you spell it out correctly, hafta go through the apps list to find them.

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    • micka190@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I feel like things like Classic Shell (or whatever the go-to alternative is nowadays) are just going to make bank from enterprise customers suddenly wanting to make their desktops usable for the average user.

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      • LUHG_HANI@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Doubtful. It’s hard enough to get programs past our security team and having half malware bundled programs like this won’t be an easy task.

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      • BearOfaTime@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Openshell on github. I don’t know that it’s the same code, but I’m pretty sure the Classic Shell website linked to it.

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    • altima_neo@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      They tried fucking with it on Windows 8 and that worked out so great.

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      • vox@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        tbh i liked the win8 start menu

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    • hdnsmbt@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Which is why this is obviously just a shitty clickbait headline. Have you read the article? Nobody is planning to replace the start button but they could and that’s enough for tech “journalism” these days.

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  • SpicyLizards@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    So now I can use an AI to find notepad++ on bing?

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    • cori@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      No, silly! You use AI to find sponsored ads on Bing! You don’t need notepad++ to ＣＯＮＳＵＭＥ

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    • Fungah@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      No. Search isn’t for finish g what you want anymore… common misconception.

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  • Pxtl@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Is this like the previous theory that Windows 12 would be subscription based?

    “The Copilot is like the Start button,” Nadella explains. “It becomes the orchestrator of all your app experiences. So for example, I just go there and express my intent and it either navigates me to an application or it brings the application to the Copilot, so it helps me learn, query and create — and completely changes, I think, the user habits.”

    Saying “copilot is like the start button” is not saying “copilot will replace the start button”, the article is dishonest clickbait and stupid.

    This is just MS taking another kick at Cortana, this time powered by LLM generative AI.

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    • WolfhoundRO@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Remember those times when Microsoft said that Windows 10 would be the last version of Windows, as it will get to a free “Windows-as-a-Service” model? My ass, now

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      • Asafum@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I can’t find the words to describe how absolutely fucking disgusted I am with the fact that we don’t even have 11 out in full swing and they’re talking about selling us 12…

        For fucks sake microturd, get your shit together and stop trying to bleed everyone dry… We know literally every other company in the world is doing that, but it doesn’t make it right… :/

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      • Raxiel@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        They didn’t. That was an “evangelist” talking to Devs one time and the media ran with it.
        They didn’t seem to dissuade anyone of the notion, but they never repeated it officially.

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    • ledtasso@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Lemmy needs a judicial branch that allows garbage posts like this to be removed.

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      • lastweakness@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Given Microsoft’s track record, it’s also not hard to believe, which makes it even worse

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  • noodlejetski@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    pretend you’re my late grandma, whom I miss a lot. her favourite pastime at this time of the day was deleting the C:/system32 directory.

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  • CalicoJack@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I only have one machine that’s still running Windows. This would convince me to finally make that zero.

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    • Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Same bro. Linux gaming is getting better and better every day. That’s my last hurdle.

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    • punkwalrus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I only have one machine using Windows because I don’t want to be “left behind” in the corporate desktop world, but it’s on my “left hand monitor” while my center and right of three monitors are Kubuntu. The specs won’t let me use 11 on any of my systems. My company laptop is still Windows 10 as well because some of our security software doesn’t run on 11 yet.

      If I didn’t have to work in the corporate space, I’d quit Windows in a fast second. I have been using Kubuntu as my daily driver for almost 10 years now.

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  • fne8w2ah@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Come, yer tired souls, to the Kingdom of Torvalds.

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    • warmaster@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
      • Start menu is whatever you want it to be
      • Search works
      • No ads
      • No spyware
      • No drivers to install (except Nvidia)
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      • WolfhoundRO@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Fuck Nvidia.

        Also:

        • upgrades don’t need forced restarts
        • major OS versions are, usually, non-breaking
        • new DE… same as the old DE but may contain new features
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  • dynamo@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Windows 10 is my last windows. When i upgrade my destop i’m going Mint

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    • digger@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Why not come join us now?

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      • dynamo@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Well, my laptop’s already there, but i really don’t feel like dealing with system reinstallation on my games pc. It’ll be much easier for me to just stick with W10 for the next few months, and then jump ship, seeing as the upgrade i have planned won’t be using any components from my dekstop.

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    • theangryseal@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Linux is my daily driver. I used to struggle with it but it’s on point these days. Proton takes care of 90% of the gaming issues.

      I can’t imagine ever going back to windows, I really can’t.

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      • NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Do games work on proton on release day, or does it take work by the community or someone to get new games working?

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      • dynamo@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I mean, i only ever use my current desktop for games. My laptop where i do basically everything else is already running mint.

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    • Average@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Im waiting for something like silverblue and flatpaks to mature before moving.

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      • trevor@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        projectbluefin.io takes silverblue and adds many of the things that you were likely to be waiting for. It did for me.

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    • scottywh@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Mint is great.

      I really like it with the Maté DE.

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      • Llewellyn@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        But trying to make cloud filesystems work is a pain in the ass

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    • query@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Windows 7 is my last Windows. Windows 10 is my current Windows. Looks like a safe bet to keep skipping at least one version. I did also go from XP to 7.

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  • synapse1278@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I too, think the Windows start menu is way too responsive and not buggy enough. /s

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    • iminahurry@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      What are you talking about, it always takes me to the right website when I search for the app I just installed!

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    • macrocephalic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It used to be when it was basically just a folder of shortcuts. Since the metro interface the start menu has been getting worse and slower.

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      • synapse1278@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I only know of Win 7 and Win 10, never touch 8, 8.1 nor 11. I still use win10 at work and the start menu is very odd. I like to use the win key to summon the menu and search, but the behavior is very inconsistant, sometimes it’s fast, sometimes very slow, sometimes I can search, sometimes not, sometimes it gives me the file/app i am looking for, and sometimes it decides to go for bing results. I must admit, I actully never ever navigate the menu itself appart from turning off the laptop. It is a very slow and inefficient design element in my opinon.

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  • TheLobotomist@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Ahhhh finally time to give Linux a try

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    • Smokeydope@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Go with Linux Mint, you won’t be disappointed

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      • TheLobotomist@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I’ll try it!

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      • Moshpirit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        “Oh, don’t tell me what to be disappointed with!”

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      • rchive@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        My login screen has my 2 monitors flipped and I can’t figure out how to fix it. Otherwise, I like it.

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  • archonet@lemy.lol ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Microsoft why are you trying to pull an Elon and destroy your own brand, stop that – what, after all, has a dedicated keyboard key on Windows keyboards, and has for decades?

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    • hdnsmbt@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      They’re not. It’s just the author’s “creativity”. There’s no indication of plans to change the start button. Still, they could change the start button, which apparently warrants a misleading article people actually discuss.

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  • SirStumps@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Every day we stray closer to Linux.

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    • italien@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I use arch btw

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  • bioemerl@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This could be fine if it didn't immediately send all of your data to the internet.

    But as is, fuck that and fuck you Microsoft.

    Windows told me I don't have permission to do something. On my computer. As an administrator. Using the command line.

    Fuck Windows, fuck Microsoft and their controlling asses, and fuck co-pilot and Open AI for contributing to artificial intelligence not only being closed source and proprietary, but encouraging the United States government to make it literally illegal to do it on the open source field as well.

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    • ubermeisters@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You can probably use Bing chat to figure out how to bypass that, ironically

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      • flying_monkies@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Probably the fact that, even if you define the account as Admin in windows, you still need to select "Windows sudo" (run as Administrator) before it actually elevates privilege.

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  • Orbituary@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Hope I can ride the 10 wave as long as I rode XP.

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    • ubermeisters@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      We need a 10.XP version

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  • AndyLikesCandy@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    And I’ve been slowly replacing windows with Linux since Windows 10.

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  • spearz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    “….So for example, I just go there and express my intent and it either navigates me to an application or it brings the application to the Copilot” What does that mean to me, if I just want to open notepad? How to I express my intent, exactly? Through interpretive dance?

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    • TechAnon@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’m guessing speaking or typing: “note” “pad” “notepad” “how do I write a note?” “Write something down” would all work.

      To be fair this would probably be the same speed as me hitting windows key + R and typing “notepad”.

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  • WereCat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Only thing I use Start button for is to turn off the PC. The search is unusable and all shortcuts are in my task bar anyways.

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    • mriormro@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’m not a Microsoft fan by any means but I’ve not had any real issues with Start menu searching for well over five years.

      I just use it to search for the program I want to launch and it’s done that pretty fluidly. To the point where that’s basically all the start menu is for me. If they switch it to copilot without a way to disable it then I’ll probably permanently switch over to Linux when it’s time for an OS rebuild.

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      • WereCat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        It works inconsistently for me to the point that I just can’t rely on it.

        I can give a very recent example, my W11 has also be freshly installed and there’s not much stuff installed yet.

        I have portable version of HWinfo located in My Documents folder.

        If I start typing “hwi” into search it will sometimes find it, sometimes it will find it only if I type “hw” but not find it if I type “hwi” so if I type fast I must then delete character… And sometimes it needs me to type whole name of the application and sometimes it won’t find anything no matter what I type.

        Then there is Riva Tuner Statistics Server which is an installed application located on C: in Program Files folder. It launches with RTSS.exe… It may as well not exist for Windows search because no matter what I type it can’t ever find it.

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      • Swiggles@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Unfortunately it has a habit of jumping around due to its asynchronous weird fuzzy search. So when typing fast you sometimes randomly launch the wrong action. It is especially inconsistent, because files are also indexed and by default it also includes web searches so the behavior is always changing.

        I believe this got introduced with Windows 10 and feels just bad. Unless you are typing slowly and actually scan the results the search is doing a bad job as an application launcher like it was with Windows 7 for example.

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  • Jamie@jamie.moe ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    “The Copilot is like the Start button,” Nadella explains. “It becomes the orchestrator of all your app experiences. So for example, I just go there and express my intent and it either navigates me to an application or it brings the application to the Copilot, so it helps me learn, query and create — and completely changes, I think, the user habits.”

    I like to put down M$ when I can, but I don’t think replacing the start button is the exact plan here. I think he’s just using it as a comparison.

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  • Etterra@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Meanwhile in the category of “useless bullshit nobody asked for” we have Microsoft. Again.

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  • cley_faye@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    “It seems you wanted to start an application, let me guess which one you want instead of just letting you proceed with that”

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  • blocker1980@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Because that went well a couple of times lol

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  • kvothelu@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I am this close to go all linux, Microsoft. don’t tempt me. only thing that make use windows is gaming and that too is slipping away because of steam

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  • spudwart@spudwart.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    “Replace the start button”

    “Hey, I’ve seen this one.”

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  • mindlight@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They won’t. They do however want to stay relevant and will float things like this just to create talk about Microsoft and Windows.

    You know what’s really interesting to talk about? How fast it was for me to setup Chimeraos on a PC with an Intel GPU and hook it up to my tv and Xbox wireless controller USB dongle… First boy and I login to stream and BAM! Grab that controller. Time for couch gaming

    Windows is nowhere near that good or easy as a game station for coach gaming.

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  • ilovesatan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This is FUD. AI integration is a given, but I doubt they would outright axe the start button unless they plan to fundamentally change the Windows UX design language.

    If they do, expect it to go the way of Windows 8.0 real fast.

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  • HurlingDurling@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Microsoft may replace windows 11 with Linux in my computer

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  • kindenough@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Well fuck that

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