The Moral Case for No Longer Engaging With Elon Musk’s X

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• TheMauveAvenger@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Then stop already. Stop mentioning the name. Stop posting articles about it. Stop sharing articles about it on other social media.

  You know what’s immoral? Posting ragebait articles about a platform because you know users will engage.

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  • MotoAsh@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I dunno’, kinda’ sounds similar to, “racism would be over if tou’d just shut up about it.”

    X and Elon don’t magically disappear because you choose to ignore them.

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    • Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      And it would be similar to that if racism was a business that survived based on engagement.

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    • marswarrior@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      If everyone shuts up about racism, then racism will be worse. If everyone stopped talking about twitter, then twitter will die. It’s not the same thing at all. Not even close.

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    • alianne@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The difference is that racists are usually racist due to a moral stance, not because it makes them money; ignoring them means we’ll hear about it less but it won’t actually go away. Clickbait/ragebait, on the other hand, isn’t a moral viewpoint - it’s meant to bring a person money via exposure/engagement, so less engagement leads to less money which leads to less bait because it’s no longer working.

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    • fruitleatherpostcard@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s not “x” it’s called Twitter.
      This is a good case for deadnaming.

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    • RaincoatsGeorge@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I dunno. Racism isn’t entirely manifested by one man. He’s just one more bucket of piss in a sea of piss. Fuck him. We can at any time choose to ignore him. Choose to ignore his shit app. He doesn’t matter to any equation, he’s just an annoying rich person struggling with their addiction to child pornography. Wups did I say the silent part out loud. Shit.

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    • lloram239@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      “racism would be over if tou’d just shut up about it.”

      Well, that’s way more true than it is false. The way the left hyped up race as the single most important and defining feature of people wasn’t exactly helpful. The idea of racial realism should be deconstructed, not actively supported. I have literally never seen as much racism in my life as what the left has been doing in the last 10-15 years.

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    • scarabic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      While some of the same words appear in these two things, they are nothing alike.

      The debate over whether recognizing racism can help us eliminate it has nothing to do with an unhinged billionaire who uses shock tactics to generate PR, and the bottom-feeding publications who live on stoking our disgust with him.

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  • seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’m sure if we just ignore rich and powerful people, they’ll go away.

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    • TheMauveAvenger@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      They won’t. But complaining about them on Lemmy and Bloomberg is empowering them.

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  • LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Twitter has millions of users. Not talking about its issues clearly won’t solve the problem.

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  • ubermeisters@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Ironically by you commenting on this, and further by me commenting on your comment, we have added to the metrics and it has now been deemed that it’s more popular because more people are talking about it. That’s the actuality.

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  • Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The moral case for just shutting the hell up about X finally for fucks sake.

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    • seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’ll shut up about it when it quits being relevant.

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  • phoneymouse@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It is a sight to behold. There is a certain class of people that don’t know who they are without Twitter because they measure their worth in followers and whatever influence that brings them. They are definitely going through all the stages of grief. For those of us that don’t have our egos entangled with the site, the writing was on the wall pretty early on. Twitter, or X, is dead and not worth our time. I’m sure those of us on Lemmy are especially capable of sniffing out the moment a social network turns sour.

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  • scarabic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Back before Apollo was killed I had the words “Elon” and “Trump” filtered out. I just never saw these rage posts in the first place. Man, I’d love to see that feature in a Lemmy client. Anyone know if it exists?

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    • TedJ70@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’m new to Lemmy but I believe Boost for Lemmy allows you to filter on keywords.

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  • Blizzard@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Tell that to OP. Oh, wait…

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  • Marruk@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Posting ragebait articles about a platform because you know users will engage.

    Lol irony.

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• Shazbot@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This is your daily reminder to engage and boost Twitter alternatives such as Mastodon. It’s not enough to ignore Twitter. We must build communities to draw in users, show them social media can exist without Elon or Zuck. Only when good alternatives exist, with content and people sought after, do users feel safe to abandon old platforms.

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  • Contort3860@links.hackliberty.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Mastodon, Firefish, Misskey, Sharkey. There really are a lot of interesting options. Mastodon seems to be the most popular though.

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    • BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Firefish is my favourite, the design is fantastic, and I can read all of Mastodon on it. Very enjoyable and everyone is quite welcoming.

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  • seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Mastodon is never going to be as addictive without that algorithm. You can’t just replace one with the other when what you’re hooked on is the outage. What we really need here is regulation.

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• paddirn@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Can we all just boycott anything having to do with Musk/Twitter? I just want a browser extension that will automatically prevent me from going to a site that has any sort of links or anything related to twitter. Your blog also links to your Twitter account? Fuck you, I’m not reading it. Your news story references a tweet from somebody? Fuck you I’m not reading it. Your Lemmy post talks about Musk or Twitter? Fuck you, I’m not reading it. I just want all mention of Musk or Twitter or X completely erased from the internet. It may unfortunately impact any reference to anything else ‘X’ related, but that’s a small price to pay for a Musk-free life.

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  • assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Devil’s advocate, it should be amplified as much as possible, because it reminds the public that billionaires are not inherently intelligent nor worthy of their money.

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  • seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    So, basically you want to stick your head in the sand and pretend things aren’t happening.

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    • paddirn@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      No, I’d rather read about the important things that are happening. Twitter is not important and the only thing that will finally get all these other companies to finally drop twitter is if it starts hurting their bottom line and reduces clicks and reads. If there’s a coordinated campaign to block Twitter, it could finally just remove it from the internet.

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    • cricket97@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      you’re not saving the world complaining online about twitter bro.

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  • Wisely@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Is there any app for Lemmy that can filter by keyword? I don’t want to read about Elon and Trump multiple times a day. With some Kanye, Zuckerberg and Tate sprinkled in.

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  • n3m37h@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Even better idea, everyone order a starlink then do a return. Will temp cost you $300 but free return shipping at spacex expense

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    • SCB@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      SpaceX is an amazing company. I don’t want to punish SpaceX.

      It’s less than a quarter the cost to get to space now, because of SpaceX

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  • JoBo@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    There are lots of browset extensions that can block any site you want to block. I use Block Site on Firefox but there’s plenty to choose from, just have a search.

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• Chunk@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Can we take a step back for a second and think about the human condition that led someone to need a moral argument to get off X? What kind of pathetic, fucked up mind do you have where you can’t just uninstall the app you have to appeal to morality.

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  • Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Well there is a difference between disliking something and believing it is actively harmful. If you believe it is actively harmful for humans and society, it makes sense that you want to appeal to the society as a whole. Then you need to reason for why you feel the way you do. And there we go.

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    • orrk@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Facebook causes genocides in every 3ed world nation they push into.

      social media is, as it is now, designed to push the worst. most racist, most murderous rhetoric because it garners more engagement.

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  • Numberone@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This whole twitter thing is like some lib version of a moral panic. Who cares, just get off it if you don’t like the experience. But no, they all need to tell everyone how this makes them so morally pure.

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    • oatscoop@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Moral panics are over things that don’t have negative real world consequences.

      We’ve repeatedly seen what happens when disinformation and violent, extremist speech is given a place to flourish on social media. The crazies get even more radicalized, organized, and emboldened – and start taking actual action.

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  • CorruptBuddha@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    My assumption would be the purpose is to shame people.

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  • ytonoswaldsa@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Exactly. Also why is this journalist blaming Elon for random crimes that have nothing to do with him? Its not fair to blame him for something he had nothing to do with.

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  • zeppo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I don’t think someone publishes an article to try to convince themselves to not use it. Of course it’s to convince other people why to not use it.

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• sleepmode@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I made a burner to see for myself after using it for work a few years ago. It’s a complete dumpster fire now, way worse than before. Bots and shitty animated gambling ads everywhere. Porn bots and scammers are trying to follow you every 2 seconds. Elon’s dipshit musings/ragebait are forced into your feed even when you block him. Any tweets you make get zero engagement. remaining accounts are either bots, racists, fascists, or creators and celebrities moaning and/or hemming and hawing about leaving all the time because muh ego. It’s not even worth witnessing the spectacle.

  It’s also fucking straight up broken half the time. Mastodon is a breath of fresh air in comparison even pre-Elon. Wish more would use it.

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  • Hiccup@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You forgot one major thing: the porn has left in droves.

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    • sleepmode@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Truth. Total ghost town now.

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  • havokdj@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The forced elon spam reeks of insecurity. I thought the whole reason behind being extremely rich was not giving a fuck about what the world thinks, yet here we are.

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• phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  That moral case was already there like a decade ago.

  When he called the Philippine men, risking their lives to save children stuck and about to die in an underground cave, pedophiles because they refused to consider musk’s retarded dive capsule idea… That was the moment that the moral case was there and it never left.

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  • Sarcastik@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I worked for Musk for longer than I care to admit, well before the world caught on to what an evil snake oil salesman he is and I endorse this post.

    Let me just say after my time that the pedophile thing is probably nowhere near the worst thing that man has said or done to others he deems unworthy.

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  • MeanEYE@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s what we call failing up.

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  • Adalast@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I had the idea of seeing if I could get an AI to draw a 10-point buck mounting him as a play on his name. No idea if that would be too far or not, but I would personally find it funny.

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• Riccosuave@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’m doing my part by never having used Twitter, and continuing the trend by never using X. Also, I don’t own a Tesla, and I don’t plan on going to one of Elon’s Mars eugenics colonies. So I feel no responsibility or moral complacency about adding any money or power to the portfolio of that fucking twat.

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  • saltesc@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I shorted Tesla stock options and made money off his loss.

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    • Hiccup@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      A couple people I know dumped their teslas because they didn’t want to support the nazi.

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  • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’ve never used Twitter, but X has never been better—250+mg per pill, that’s three times what it was in the early 00s!

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• 5BC2E7@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Lead by example. At least stop pretending that this news article/opinion piece belongs in a technology.

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  • CluckN@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I love these websites posting, “It’s time to leave X” while also providing bait articles that just describe a Twitter conversation between two celebrities.

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    • killeronthecorner@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Ironically, there’s a “Share with Twitter” button on the left side of the article

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  • ichbinjasokreativ@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Agreed.

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• Barack_Embalmer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I joined Twitter fairly recently as Machine Learning Twitter is/was a thing, and I wanted to stay abreast of news from people like Andrej Karpathy, Chris Olah, Andrew Ng etc., especially since r/MachineLearning went down the shitter.

  But I can’t even - I log on and just instantly see ragebait posts from Daily Mail talking heads and bullshit.

  Are there any better alternatives for this purpose?

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• SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  TIL we need convincing about that on Lemmy

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• alienanimals@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Downvote Musk spam.

  The billionaire doesn’t need your help ensuring him and his businesses stay in the headlines every day. Don’t be a useful idiot.

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• steeznson@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The fediverse provides an alternative for people who care about using ethical products. Haven’t tried threads/bluesky but they seem like more of the same. Unfortunately I don’t think people care about the ethics of their micro-blogging platform; their biggest priority is having the largest soap box to shout from.

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• onlinepersona@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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  Do as you say please

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• moitoi@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I know a lot of people relying on it for sharing research papers and finding them. It’s depressing to not have an alternative.

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• Mrkawfee@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I still use X for work and have noticed an increase in the amount of hate speech and racist content. Its started appearing on my feed.

  Problem is legacy Twitter still has huge scale so it’s not so simple to switch to something else if you need a big audience. It will take time.

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• Dkarma@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  If torturing primates isn’t enough for u what is,???

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• DeathWearsANecktie@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I don’t need a moral reason, I just think it’s shit as it was before it rebranded

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• Zithero@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Deleted my X recently - not looking back.

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• yamanii@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I just wish the artists would leave, but no other social media allows porn too.

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• orwellianlocksmith@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Damn, this is actually quite compelling. I knew X/Twitter was bad, but didn’t realize just how bad it has become. Thanks for posting.

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• Iwasondigg@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I deleted that shit months ago.

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• Deftdrummer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Haha imagine caring this much about a social media site.

  Imagine also still using Facebook. Losers.

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• qwertyWarlord@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Lol, anyone who uses Twitter doesn’t do it for morality. The mouth breathers are addicted to the drama and that’s all there is to it

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• Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I never used Twitter in the first place because I had no idea what it was for.

  Still don’t.

  Every single one of these things seemed to be “It’s Facebook, but you can only do [gimmick]”

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• Gazumi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Ditched just over a year ago. My world is still as it should be. It’s just a terrible app / organisation with gaming addiction

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• Critical_Insight@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’d really love to see what the twitter (or YouTube) feed is for a normal user. I don’t doubt that the algorithms push extreme content, because that’s what humans are naturally drawn to. After all, we want to look at car crashes aswell. However, I’m just really curious on why these people simply don’t train the algorithm better.

  Every now and then I get some right-wing(ish) video recommendation on YouTube and after I mark it as “not interested” it dissapears and it just goes back to recommending me stuff I’m actually interested in. Same with 1 minute long videos. I don’t need to flag too many of them before it realizes it’s not the content I don’t like but the short lenght. In my personal experience twitter is way less agressive at pushing such content but even when it does the same solution works there too. “Not interested” and it stops showing up. Except for cat videos. Those never stop showing up no matter how often I mark it.

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• Treczoks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This is nothing new. This was one of the reasons I never even joined Twatter.

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